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I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel. For if I build again the things I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. O foolish Galatians who hath bewitched you, that you should not obey the truth. Are you so Foolish having begun the spirit are ye now made perfect by the flesh. But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage. Am I therefore become your enemy because I tell the truth. Let us do good unto all men especially unto them who are of the household of Faith. And ye are complete in him. Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom and teaching and admonishing one another.

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Wordwolf, thank you for your kind words. You have great insight but im afraid that you have misunderstood the point of this post. The word of God is the will of God, no matter what any of you say. Romans 10:9,10 is a matter of truth. Not fact or fiction pure truth. So its not by opinion its by God and the word was written by the instruction of God. This letter was sent by CK over three weeks ago, his thread he put in for would be 7 or 8 weeks ago. So plenty of time was given to them. There isn't a question about that but the words can still be given. The truth will never change. While if VPW did throw people off the grounds im sure it was the right thing to do. The idea that TWI would ban me with these ideas is the only thing I see wrong, so with change they could learn to hear the things said. The hope for TWI isnt complete, they will one day find themselves in spirit. To be the greatest understaning in this world to be smeared isnt my issue, to hold the word high is my goal to prove it is Gods.

ckmkeon, (CK) is the user name which is shown on GS as a MemberNP, not really sure what that means, but if you look him up you will see some of the threads he wrote.

Greg

CK is somewhat a thorn in the side of the moderators of GS, they didn't like something he did and so they banned him from posting any new threads or such. So in that the new post he wrote was also banned and the message he gets when writing is a moderator will look over it and then it might be posted. So I just want the thread he wrote to be shared with the public so all can see.

Yes I do agree that is a great place for Charity to start. But no matter where it starts it is great just to have it in your life.

Greg

The point of the letter to Pawtucket was to show that CK wanted to be forgiven and For all have sinned and come short is seems to make sense to forgive and let it go. CK tried writing a new post and the GS decided to ignore or just plain out stop the post. In which the post asked for everyone for a olive branch and to let everyone go on there merry way. There was no harm in the post, it was full of joy and love for everyone here. So thats why I am writing now to let everyone know.

Greg

(I Cor 13:1-13)We should reflect the love we have

with one another,(Col 3:14) putting off the old man,

putting on the mind of Christ(Rom 13:14)Sharing manifestations

for the profit of the believers and non- believers.

Heres some verses for you, does that help you guys any.

Greg

Somehow the ideas of some have been cancelled by this panel. Somehow they can't show compassion. Even with a apology they stay in there stupidity. This is a letter written by my good friend CK to Pawtucket at GS.

See this is somewhat interesting, in my last topic I tired to put on GS there was no vulgar language or any bad feelings. So I must ask why it wasn't approved by your moderators. As far as I can tell the word of God either given by a monkey or VPW is still the word as long as it is the word. But the topic should be able to defend itself. The talk of you guys saying how much TWI censored your speech how different is this from that. How different is it when someone puts the full believing into something and someone shoots it down just because. Maybe there are still some hard feelings over the things that happened over a year and a half ago. But you know I am sorry to have caused any trouble. But what is the real problem is it that I hit a nerve and your afraid of my voice here. While I am flattered that is kind of funny. You know Howard Allen always said your always welcome at the way. But you know thats the way the cookie crumbles. The people of GS need my last topic and I ask of you and the moderators to read over it and let me know if there is something in particular you dont like. Let me know what really bothers you about my post, or is it a little deeper than that. My only request is to lift my suspension and I will promise never to be bad again. This is the time of being kind one to another not to wrestle against flesh and blood. So I wanted to protest the choice made by this moderation crew and maybe we all can learn something.

CK

So why is this hatred here, isn't this the same thing that TWI did. When did TWI decide to mute everyone here... When did GS. This is the exact thing that might get my name deleted from here. Maybe they'll put me on Mark and Avoid. Maybe i'll be blacklisted. Oh well to quote a great movie, "Words will always retain there meaning" Nevertheless the thing to learn here is how can the people who love God be hurt from the people here, when its the exact thing you all talk about, sounds like hypocrites. Oh by the way Pawtucket never returned any correspondence to CK. This is just a idea of what is happening here.

Greg

The following definition of love is from The New International CK/Gregorian Self-Mentoring Bible:

I CKGregorinthians 123

1. Because Charity rhymes with clarity my message is clear.

2. In my world evil doers do not exist.

3. If perchance you find they still exist – renew your mind.

4. Renew your mind by renewing your subscription to TWI’s magazine.

5. My kind of Charity never thinketh.

6. So whether there is logic – it shall fail, common sense – it shall cease, the manifestations of intelligence – they shall vanish away. Then you will experience my kind of Charity – but won’t know it!

Somebody give Ribeye a round of applause. So you really think that what I said does not agree with KJV 100%. So if the writings that were written were wrong would the bible be wrong to?? No I don't expect you to really understand. You know some people just can't get it.

Everything that was said no only agrees it fits for everyone's life. This is not just something to say it is something to live by. Living with this saying will show your loved ones and people around you the love you have within. The nice thing is that it is a matter of Truth. Truth from the bible and it does not matter if you come up with a bible all by yourself it is still a matter of truth.

Though I am honored to be quoted writing a bible that is not my calling. The truth set before everyone is way to live life. The love a man has for fellow believers is just one example. No matter what you say truth is truth.

The NASV what the He!! is that, we might well be taking some scripture from the GGG, RSDF, WDFS, or any other Bull versions. Thinketh no evil simply means to think no evil this is not a hard, thinking only the best of people. That is what the KJV says, the only version that is right.

Greg

Waysider,

My parents, too, are the most giving people I know. They give of their time, money, concern, prayers and even rooms in their home for folks and they do it out of the goodness of their hearts not expecting anything in return. Neither of them speak in tongues, interpret or prophecy according to the ways that TWI taught. Are those things not considered charity? Are they not considered "good samaritans"? "good christians"

Greg, does someone have to speak in tongues to prove to you (or your mentor) that they are born again?

WordWolf and Goey are very logical, intelligent men and they present some pretty good examples, questions and concerns about the assumptions of you and your mentor. Is attacking them instead of engaging them in meaningful dialog considered "charity" in your book? Calling people names? Insulting them instead of offering valid support for your statements? Not any kind of charity or god I want part of if you're teaching by example of what the god you believe in teaches. <_<

Well let us decide what to measure a "christian" by, the world or the bible. My choice well always be the bible.

Greg

This is for Wordwolf and Slick

We should reflect the love we have

with one another, putting off the old man,

putting on the mind of Christ. Sharing manifestations

for the profit of the believers and non- believers.

The Love:

1. John 3:16 For God Loved us

2. Deu 6:5 We should love God

3. John 13:34 Love one another this is where the reflection must come in

Renewal:

1. Eph 4:22-24 putting on the new man and putting off the old man

2. Rom 13:14 Put ye on the mind of Christ

Manifestation:

1. ICor 12:7 Manifestation is for the profit of Believers

All in all

ICor 13 is how Charity is to be performed

Therefore I have biblical evidence for the quote.

Greg

Am I missing something here this is Biblical quotes isn't it

Greg

Rascal,

Jesus told us to love one another, what are you referring to when you say Jesus did not live a life of Love. Wait maybe when he went into the courtyard and said Ye Hypocrites or Ye who without sin Ye cast the first stone.

Exactly what are you talking about the Jesus I know is full of Charity. This proven time and time again he only wants us to be the best. So from what I have read Jesus does not hate, nor did his walk with God go against the teachings of Paul.

Greg

Word

In order to understand the 4th chapter of II Timothy we must look at the whole chapter and the mind set of Paul. At this time Paul's followers are losing all the confidence of his church IITim 4:16, Paul is also telling us of all the evil that has come back to Asia and how the Devil is winning IITIM 4:4.

The thing about II TIm 4:14 Paul did not say I will go take care of business myself, I am going to kill him. No he was able to keep himself in line with God letting the lord reward him according to his works. 15 is saying that people are turning away from God.

This has nothing to do with Charity. Paul said this EVIL was done to me it doesn't say he thought evil was coming after him. Two very different ways, one did happen and one is in the thinking.

Greg

Greg...uh rather than look for reasons to attack me personally, how about answering my questions about why your definition and premiss does not match up with the actions and teachings of Jesus Christ?

Does it matter?

Word wolf, Thank you.

Todd, there were a lot of great points made to counter a potentially dangerous flawed definition. Rather than view it as a personal attack or a blanket accusation of blame how simply discussing the pertinent information in order for everyone to learn and grow just a little bit in our understanding ok?

Since you attacked the source by not be guided by the spirit the question is a true question no attack involved. The question was pointed at you there was no attack. The question should have a answer, but if you don't feel up to it I understand just tell the Devil Hi for me

Greg

You have Biblical evidence for SOME of your claim.

You have not supported this business involving reflection,

nor have you even explained what you mean by reflection.

Main Entry: re·flec·tion

Function: noun

Pronunciation: ri-'flek-sh&n

Etymology: Middle English, alteration of reflexion, from Late Latin reflexion-, reflexio act of bending back, from Latin reflectere

1 : an instance of reflecting ; especially : the return of light or sound waves from a surface

2 :[u] the production of an image by or as if by a mirror [/u]

3 a : the action of bending or folding back b : a reflected part : FOLD

4 : something produced by reflecting: as a : an image given back by a reflecting surface b : an effect produced by an influence <the high crime rate is a reflection of our violent society>

5 : an often obscure or indirect criticism : REPROACH <a reflection on his character>

6 : a thought, idea, or opinion formed or a remark made as a result of meditation

7 : consideration of some subject matter, idea, or purpose

8 obsolete : turning back : RETURN

9 a : a transformation of a figure in which each point is replaced by a point symmetric with respect to a line or plane b : a transformation that involves reflection in more than one axis of a rectangular coordinate system

Sure hope that helps,

Greg

??? I AM honest Dove, how about YOU stop looking for evil in every one of my posts..ok bud?

If Jesus Christ himself didn`t live Greg`s definition of *charity* my point was that MAYBE Greg ought to quit making up definitions that are not backed up scripturally...ok?

His definition is GREAT however for lulling people to sleep spiritually, ignoring dangerous behavior of the *flesh* ... evaluating who we identify as our borthers and sisters.......

His definition also eliminates the need for vigillance against wolves in sheeps clothing and false prophets.

That is his privilege, but entirely at odds with the instructions and examples given us inthe scriptures....not to mention VERY dangerous to us physically.

Which spirit are you being guided by??

Greg

To Mentor and Son of Mentor – who says?!?! Since you're in doctrinal please provide some Scriptural basis for your "definitions" – which smack of TWI-gobbledygook. I think Excathedra got yah on that one, Greg:

ICOR 13:5

Thinketh no evil

Greg

The inclusion of this in your definition implies that those who do not practice manifestations are unable to truly act out of charity. That would leave out a whole lot of good church going folk. Or is this just an added phrase to stick a little more theology in the definition?

Jerry

Which "good" going church folk are we talking about?? The same ones who believe that God is three people. The bible states as a matter of truth. Manifestations are profitable for our learning, it doesn't matter what "good" folk do. ICOR 12:7 clearly states that no matter what anybody says.

The bible is of truth there is no way around that. Good church folk believe charity is to give all the money they have ICOR 13:3 And though I bestow all my good to feed the poor and have not charity it profiteth me nothing.

More good church folk I know don't believe Manifestations are real. This is just my personal experience, but as ICOR clearly states Manifestations are profitable for believers

Greg

quote: Don't mess with WordWolf -- You'll get yer foot handed back to ya in a sling!

That's only if you buy into his self appointed "righteousness".

This is right I am shaking in my boots.

Greg

This is for Wordwolf and Slick

We should reflect the love we have

with one another, putting off the old man,

putting on the mind of Christ. Sharing manifestations

for the profit of the believers and non- believers.

The Love:

1. John 3:16 For God Loved us

2. Deu 6:5 We should love God

3. John 13:34 Love one another this is where the reflection must come in

Renewal:

1. Eph 4:22-24 putting on the new man and putting off the old man

2. Rom 13:14 Put ye on the mind of Christ

Manifestation:

1. ICor 12:7 Manifestation is for the profit of Believers

All in all

ICor 13 is how Charity is to be performed

Therefore I have biblical evidence for the quote.

Greg

Groggy, you've demonstrated that already. No need for hypotheticals.

Read my intital post in this thread. Was there something unclear?

Typical TWI mentality. Grab some verses from the Bible, intelectualize them, then condense them into a super duper magical formula. -- Ever learning, but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.

The "opinion" that I clearly stated, does not require scripture to back it up any more than scripture back up is needed to tell someone that their car is has a flat tire.

Why don't you back up your deception and hypocrisy with scripture? -- How do you and your "mentor" fit deception and hypocrisy into to your magical, super duper definition of charity?

Slick,

This is funnier the Jay Leno last night, if you knew verses to back up your opinion you would be right. For you to say something written is wrong it must disagree with the Bible first. The writings that were put in these threads were in full compliance with the Bible. Charity is of the bible therefore the bible must be used to define it. The only thing you have shown me is that you can give me a paragraph with useless words. Slick you must be able to back up your opinions against the word with the word, and since you can't say that I am wrong straight out, the definition stands.

Yes I would have to agree with Dmiller, How So?

Greg

In our reflection of Love towards one another.

We must show non believers the Joy

we have with the word. Being tender hearted

and forgiving, while rightly dividing God's word.

When you get to the place in your heart and mind,

where evil doers no longer exist. Thinking only the best

of people, manifesting the renewed mind.

At this point you have mastered the true definition of charity.

You guys are really going to love the next quote.

Greg

Hit a nerve, hmmm?

So, greg, why did you jump on my timing if it wasn't really a problem? Why is my answer blurred because others have answered before?

Or are you just lashing out at someone who -gasp- had something unflattering to say about your definition(uh, you mentor's definition)

If you'll notice the quote I started my post with, it was from the very first post--you mentor's definition. That's what I posted about.

How do you know what I can and can't understand?

And tell me again about HELL? Because in my twenty years in TWI, hell was not a way doctrine.That's a pretty big doctrinal goof for a wafer.

Maybe you are not way or way like at all? Or maybe you are someone's new babe in the Word--and they threw you in here to take the heat for them? Niiiice

Ahhhh, charity. Hand in hand with deception. Hmmm, I guess you really are in the Way.

Bramble

Let's start with John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life.

In order to perish it would have to be a unusual circumstance. You are not just going to blow away so if we look at it everyone who dies will come to the judgement seat of Christ and whoever is not written in the book of life will be thrown in the Lake of Fire(hell). So I hope that explains it for you.

Greg