gomer

forced to defend one self is a victims mentality and i really do not think this web site is doing any more than giving another side of the story... now answering questions about what they have done or said NOW THAT may be the real problem ya think?

and your right they can not be forced to do that either can they?

I guess we'll never really know exactly what happened or what was said except what we can get from what they give us, which will probably not be enough since we weren't actually there. Also, seems like people have formulated their opinions, and I guess I haven't quite and so am looking for more. Have a great weekend.

Peace out!

YOUR AGHAST???? at what ? the fact truth was revealed about this ministry, your more comfortble with keeping it inside those closed doors, where the leaders you put on a high place can handle it and just allow everyone eles know about the conclusion they put together on what must have been happening!! and for those who didnt agree will they are gone now and should not be addressed and hopefully silent.

yeah indeed truth and revelation of truth is icky and sticky and we the common man should not go to that place without their leadership making sure we understand ONLY after they decide what it must be for us.

you read like those who still wanna be a elite and if not at least by all means do what is needed to protect them, from you know those regular folks who give them money.

you still have a cult like mind and thoughts.

as predictable as the moon comes out at night then you attack thae source that causes you such truama to your thinking and greas spot MUST be a evil evil place for even thinking of allowing THAT to happen.

I never saw a picture of KG with spiders coming out of her nose where is it?

are you now lying? anything to keep the idea that these guys are special and above the common mans thoughts or words.

why? what is yOUR investment in this?

Good question. What is my investment? I guess to find more truths and only say what I feel, which is apparently not so acceptable here. Paw, you are a great moderator and I've some old info and a moderator removed that picture. Also, I never said greasepot was evil, or that the truth should be hidden, or that I feel these people are elite. NEVER. I'm just going on impression and other people's reactions and documents I read (not months ago, but last month), and these were formulated from being "censored" and having, what seems to me, a one sided story. But if the "other" side wishes to stay out of this then no one can be forced to defend themselves.

I think, instead, the instruction is to SERVE them.

I agree with this statement. Therebutforgrace, in my opinion, has always been seeking the truth and looking for the bigger picture. All I know right now is what I've read and interpreted what others have written in reaction to a lot of what seems to me edited versions of statements and then read more of people's hurts and opinions.

I am FIRST aghast at the way JS, JL, JB, DG and so forth had openly divulged information, months back on this very forum, that seems to me should have been worked out first in the board meetings before shared with the public, as responsible "leaders" ought to do. This simple action (even though it was months back) has given me the impression that these are self-serving people and definitely untrustworthy.

Second, I am irritated that the people who moderate this forum have edited and deleted a couple of my previous postings, which to me seems like censorship and creepy. This also gives me the impression that something devious and dishonest is going on here, and that if there are "sides" to be picked that this forum has been all about one side and the "moderators" are trying to cover something up or hide information from truth-seekers. AND it's apparently okay to put up a disgusting and not funny picture of spiders crawling out of KG's nose but NOT okay for me to express how I feel about what has been written?! GIMME A BREAK!

I hate the word leader. Leaders are SERVANTS in the eyes of God.

Hello again!

I'm sorry, you are correct Abigail. I am very new to this kind of forum and in no way was trying to disrespect it. That's all. And wondering if anyone else noticed Richard's posting and if they would think that'[/i]s a bit weird? I didn't mean to offend anyone, and thanks for the responses. I feel very welcome here!

Cheers!

TBFG,

Good comments and I have taken all of them to heart. Thanks.

RichNCrispy,

Rich, You too have made some good points. Conflict is good if we can learn from it. I hope to. We all need grace, and to dispense it too.

To all, merry Christmas. Remember Jesus is the reason for the season.

Joe, (or who ever I think I am--heck who knows anymore)

Who are you really matters now, Joe. Also, let's be honest and real here. This forum has become all about gossip, hearsay, and looks like to me, name-calling. Then may I stoop to that level and say such immature frat-boy tactics won't pull the wool over my eyes.

I would like to add to all my brothers and sisters in Christ, hope everyone had a lovely Christmas and that the new year will bring some peace and tons of grace.

This is Richard

OK I know who you are. That vision God showed me several years before (at the time unknown to me the Carlsons and Stones were being pushed out) was shared at that conference with one person and not in public. Hi Dan! Remember the conversation we had at the end of one of the evenings and you asked me why I had not been around and if I still had a problem with Mark? Remember Dan? And we were supposed to keep talking via phone after the conf but we both had problems finding the time to meet up? I live in Houston Dan.

And the vision was a personal one to me about what God wanted me to do and what was available to me to do in the situation. Now I did not receive this from another prophet but from God. So if you would like to war with God go ahead. And after well over ten years of involvement since 1987 with JAL etc.

Now has the vision come to pass? I rest my case. Who in this ministry has not been trashed at one time or another by this foolishness.

About the Carlsons - they seem to have a very different opinion of whether they left voluntarily or whether they were run off. They also seem to have a strong opinion about a board member who was supposed to support them at their last board meeting - and who did not. Dan, was that you? The opinion I hear from several sources about you even recently is two faced. Playing both sides. Do not trust him.

And Dan, where has all of the board correspondence come from that is going public in various phases - Dan who has been the pipeline for that? Dan? What could possibly be the agenda that you are pushing here? Using others as your front men and then dissing them? "Oh I am so pure! Why are these people posting confidential material?"

Letter writing to CES was a waste of time as nothing ever came back from the throne in writing. Phone call consisted of "I never said that!" Where have you heard that before Dan?

Dan read the vision again - I obeyed God. God was pretty graphic wasn't He? There is no reasoning with toddlers - they are totally tied into their limbic brains. "Mine! Mine! Give that back to me. Mine!"

Better an angry wise man than a non-emotional fool. Go momentisize someone else.

Richard

Hello all. I've been familiarizing myself with this forum for days and had a few musings. Just wondering if anyone has noticed this posting from Richard? Seems like Richard's onto something that maybe 2 people so far have deemed serious. Does anyone care that it seems only one side is being heard?