annam

It's ok- Annam doesn't recognize she's being arrogant and nasty either.

Ok, here's the insults, all from posts from annam on this very thread.....

Jun 8 2007, 12:46 PM

"I hope for the best for you all that keep this endless worthless babel going...... as for me I can't see the profit and I'll say Good bye and good luck..."

annam didn't see the profit in this discussion, so immediately labelled it

"WORTHLESS BABBLE" rather than even ask if it HAD profit she wasn't aware of.

In the process, she "necro'ed" a thread with no activity on it for 2 months,

saying "this thread is worthless" but choosing to revive it just to make that pronouncement.

Obviously making that statement was important enough to re-open a discussion.

(This is not WRONG but indicates the subject darn well DOES matter to the poster,

which means they themselves are declaring it is NOT "worthless" in the process.

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Jun 11 2007, 04:26 PM

"I am sorry that I offended some of you , Thats not my intention , nor is it my intention to judge anyone here for being here."

"I have looked around and for the most part what stands out is what I have commented on the underlying current seems to be angry and gossipy"

"I doubt anyone can find a reason for this kind of continuous forum... I can see this site is exclusive and those with my opinion are not welcome here, how is that unlike how we were in the way? Not much......"

There's an apology there, which is a good thing, but there's a pronouncement that she didn't intend to judge anyone,

followed by some judgements.

"angry and gossipy", plus this forum-which has a LOT of activity across a number of years- has NO REASON to exist.

Further, despite not having been banned-and allowed to post alongside other people who disagree with the majority of

the posters here- she announces that we're "exclusive" and she's "not welcome" despite not having been run off.

That's contradictory, and more a sign of PASSING JUDGEMENT than seeing if experience is matching expectations.

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There were some responses, some quite nice and reasonable.

Then annam responded again.

Jun 12 2007, 11:40 AM

"the back lash is almost comical ... caustic is so endearing"

"not a one of you has any defense for your offense.... rock on with your mean selves"

annam has also refused to explain what "offense" she perceives- but continues to pronounce

that it's being offered, which does nothing to AFFECT it, but allows the pronouncer to feel and look

holy for pointing a finger at other posters and finding fault.

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Jun 20 2007, 01:31 AM

"humble is the least of your endearing attributes."

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Jun 20 2007, 01:49 AM

"My point from the beginning .(if anyone has bothered to listen), has been this.........God gave his word so we could have instruction in everything...right? what is spoken of here is mostly against Gods instruction.....read the book kids..

It doesn't take a genius to understand . "

annam seems to think this explains what she's so worked up about, and clearly indicates

what she's offended about OBVIOUSLY would offend Jesus, but despite the condescending tone,

has failed to get specific. Apparently, the idea that anyone is warning others of evil deeds of twi and

members and leaders in the past AND PRESENT is objectionable to annam,

but how this ties into Jesus is ASSUMED by annam and not EXPLAINED.

However, she has no problem suggesting we can either AGREE with her

or lack intelligence.

"It doesn't take a genius to understand."

annam seems to indicate the ONLY "godly" response to people performing evil is NOT to warn others to

steer clear of them-as is common at the GSC-

but the ONLY "godly" response is to

"Go confront these bad way people in person, that would at least be more like Christ."

Of course, that means traveling across the country to go to a place that uses armed personnel on grounds

to police itself and deal with trespassers. Have a chance to speak to the offenders? No,

you'd be kicked off grounds and shot if you persisted, no matter how many verses you quoted directly.

annam refuses to admit this is what happens, of course. This doesn't fit with her world-view,

so it must not happen. I imagine a response would be something like if I thought they'd shoot

and it was useless to confront them ad infinitum over the evils, then I would be making God a liar

or some other "you can agree with me or defy God" witticism popular in twi/extwi circles at times.

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Jun 20 2007, 09:47 PM

"you might be nuts biglaugh.gif"

"your crazy too rolleyes.gif"

Those were in response to 2 reasonable, inoffensive posts to annam.

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Jun 20 2007, 09:53 PM

"Heres a thought ...everyone is all up in arms about my being offended or an offense, saying "we all have our own opinions and" we should be tolerant of each others,......guess what ? Take your own advice people, if your so right then what are you all upset about.......and who the hell cares if you are.....so far I have stated my opinion and you alllllll have chopped it to bits.. talk about way heads. realmad.gif"

annam doesn't see the difference between reasoned discussion (e.g."we disagree and here's why")

with personal attacks (e.g."you walk in error and your mother dresses you funny!")

annam doesn't see the difference between open discussion, disagreements, and often agreements HERE

with the "you must agree with everything the leader says" at twi.

That's poor reasoning skills in action, but what can one do about that?

We tried being polite and reasonable- the only ACCEPTABLE response to annam seems to be

wildly embracing her viewpoint.

Now, THERE you can "talk about way heads."

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Then there was a run of jokes of questionable quality in a few directions,

which didn't add to the discussion, but may or may not have been meant purely in humour.

That's when I said (June 21, 01:37 AM)

"You're presuming he cares about intelligent discussions.

He got to make his declarations, and when intelligent discussions-including disagreements-

were offered, he just labelled them and began tossing out insults and jokes.

Seems his interest in "discussion" ends there."

There had been a number of posts disagreeing intelligently, and annam was fine with

replying by pronouncing disagreeing with her as unprofitable and "worthless babble", "gossipy",

"comical", to call people "nuts" or "crazy", and "way heads."

annam's reply, again was

"where were the insults......I see the joke ....did I call u stupid or ignorant, or pigheaded or infantile or ridiculous or foolish ? Naw I never insulted I just spoke the truth and you couldn't take it so you got mad..... There how's that for insulting? nono5.gif"

Well, annam, the insults included calling the posts "worthless babble" and "gossip", and the

posters "comical", "nuts", "crazy" and "way heads."

You suggested those of us who disagreed WERE stupid or ignorant

("It doesn't take a genius to understand")

and suggested-using different words but expressing the same concept-

that those of us who disagreed with you WERE

pigheaded, infantile, ridiculous or foolish.

You insulted several times, but missed when you were doing it because you were busy

being superior to those you were replying to.

"I just spoke the truth"

No, you spoke your opinion, claimed it matched Scripture, and failed to demonstrate it.

"you couldn't take it so you got mad"

No, I certainly didn't have emotion-this is too common and too sad for me to get emotional about it.

We DID intelligently disagree and explain our positions,

and explain how your position did not follow from your claim of Scripture.

Naturally, you didn't consider we may have intelligent, logical, Scripture-matching

points to make-you were too busy pronouncing judgement on us and our posts.

"There, how's that for insulting?"

Yes, it's insulting, and it matches your posts so far, despite your claims of not having offered

insult while you were insulting us.

You can certainly post here, but when you're busy focusing on insults, few will agree,

and when you post AT people rather than dialogue with them, you post ANTAGONISTICALLY.

Due to extensive exposure to the logic-damaging world of twi,

YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT EVEN AWARE YOU DID ANY OF THIS.

However, those WERE your words, you DID post them.

If it were me, I'd give a good long think as to whether I was sending the message I MEANT to send,

instead of one I did NOT mean to send.

You, of course, are welcome to do whatever you want.

WoW you have a lot of time in your hands.........pretty impressive are you a lawyer?, you should be your case is solid and by the way I was insulted in the beginning by the starter of this thread. I was giving him a taste of his own medicine, damn you people really need to lighten up............

I still haven't seen my few contributions here addressed.. other than it is "too far".

How, in God's name, are we to confront those who hide from the light of day..

Maybe you haven't thought about this. See.. we are not the stinking grounds, old rotten brew.. just to be cast aside while they vainly attempt to get the next batch "right".

If you think YOUR life is worth so little.. go ahead, go away in peace..

Grow up

In the case of those persons whose evil and toxic behaviors make any attempt on the part of their victims to reconcile; whether as in a marriage, a friendship, a student/teacher relationship, a boss/employee relationship , or any other variation of human interaction you can think of; will only cause new and painful hurt to the victim-- forgiveness does not mean forgetting and reconnecting.

In fact forgetting is God's responsibility, it is our responsibility not only to not forget but to learn from the situation and be able to identify other dangerous and toxic individuals, before we interact with them, based on what we remember and learned from the previous situations.

Forgiveness does not require that we not mention to others, who we see about to interact or interacting with the offenders, our experiences. Forgiveness does not require that we not call a plagerist a plagerist, a rapist a rapist, or a pediophile a pediophile. People are what they are--trying to pretend that they aren't what they are, under the covering of forgiving, is not forgiveness, it is lying. Failure to warn others about toxic persons, by citing examples of their behavior you know to be true, is a failure in your duty as a Christian to look out for your brothers and sisters.

Jesus Christ gave the example of the correct way to forgive those who wrong you. Hanging on the cross He said "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do."

What Christ DID NOT say is

"Father I forgive them for what they are doing"

And there is nowhere in scripture where the apostles were exhorted to forget what happened on Calvary or to declare that Judas, Herod, or Pilate were anything other than what they knew them to be.

Forgiveness is about asking that vengence not be taken on the wrongdoer. Since, per Heavenly Father, "Vengence is mine" He is the only one who can forstay vengence. He forstays vengence when those who have done wrong

Repent, and turn with meekness to Him and abstain from wrongdoing in the future

OR

He is asked by the victim to forgive their tormentor, thus showing that they, the victim, are not only forgiving but worthy of forgiveness themselves.

OR

a combination of the above.

For anyone to presume that a poster at GSC has not forgiven or will not forgive simply because they hold forth the truth regarding an individual and the situations surrounding that individual, is IMO the height of presumption. Name calling is an action committed by a person calling others by adverbs or adjectives that by their nature portray what is untrue, or for the purpose of being mean spirited. Calling someone what their actions have shown them to be, on the other hand is called telling the truth.

ok I get the point .......relax its not good for you to get all worked up

annam

Yep. Knew you were a "she" by the context of your posts.

Now, this is surely off topic, but here's the scoop(pun intended) on the stretch the coffee thing.

Many eons ago, Uncle Harry suggested we "stretch" our coffee by adding new grounds to yesterday's grounds and adding a pinch of salt to cut the bitter taste.

It tasted like----well, I think you get the idea.

So, long story made even longer, that's the history of the stretched coffee analogies.

May I offer you a cup of joe as a peace offering?

I swear it isn't the stretched variety! :)

I vaguely remember that reference.....and I was only trying to lighten up a little. I thought the peed in coffee was an appropriate analogy...peace

Annam, We are attempting to have a civil discussion here. There are sensible counter points to your fingers pointed and slurs cast. You seem to percieve this as an attack. Please read the comments in the spirit that they were offered.

spirit where's the spirit? watch out they creep up the back of your neck and swallow your head whole. Relax untwist your panties or boxers or whatever you wear...open you mind ....no don't do that(spirits) as for civil.........this whole thing is uncivilized it makes your accusations laughable...........can you say intellectual? I better stop before I get crucified , the devil made me do this.

You're presuming he cares about intelligent discussions.

He got to make his declarations, and when intelligent discussions-including disagreements-

were offered, he just labelled them and began tossing out insults and jokes.

Seems his interest in "discussion" ends there.

where were the insults......I see the joke ....did I call u stupid or ignorant, or pigheaded or infantile or ridiculous or foolish ? Naw I never insulted I just spoke the truth and you couldn't take it so you got mad..... There how's that for insulting?

Annam,

I haven't seen this properly addressed:

Or this:

Only thing I can say for twi, is by the time they concede, or are forced to come out of their little hole and deal with the people they've harmed.. they're gonna have some pretty rancid "coffee" to drink. I'm not so sure it will really be "coffee" if some people here have anything to say about it..

I'm not heartless, I wouldn't serve it cold..

Honestly, I think this "brew" is mostly of twi's own making.. maybe you ought to talk to the chef about the quality of the coffee..

Ok people , you are taking this too far.....I am really tired of this conversation and I will say one last thing before someones head explodes......Vengeance is mine saith the Lord and I'll leave that to him I m sure I can't do the job as well as he can. I'm not called to it....Paul said he wanted one thing known among the brethren Christ and him crucified. Take it how you want it you will anyway .

If you want to recount stories and warn others yes that is Good, as far as getting to the Way staffers the was an extreme notion just to emphasize how futile this whole mess of trashy post is. The Brew as you put it, is of all of our making....truly we played a part in all of this now and in the past, I'm not saying we are to blame nor have I ever condoned TWI I don't even like the sound of TWI...... I really hope they are all blessed because God commands that I bless and not curse. TO state the facts is one thing and I have some of my own that I could throw in the mess, but to call the Way people involved in the story bad names and use the bitter language and such is just not in line with what God would have for us. It is clear that many here have not and seem to refuse to forgive, and that my dear ones is the first step to healing.......We have all sinned and fall short of the glory of God , it is for our own good that God instructs us not to be angry.....if I have miss read this anger then I confess my mistake and ask for forgiveness, but ask yourselves all of you........how is that mistake made so easily? Look at some of this stuff.....look around , spend sometime and see what you think.

You all may know what it is your trying to convey, but their are others who would interpret this as acidic. If thats what you want then who can stop you?

retaliate if you wish, I'll probably read it, I pray that God will give me the wisdom not to reply again , for it seems useless to bring to you my point of view.

P.S. BY the way I'm a she not a he..........he he he he he he he

:dance: :dance: :dance:

Was that stretched enough?

bravo

I'll bet it still tastes better than "stretched" coffee! :B)

hey .... stretch this

Where's that new waitress?

Maybe pour yesterday's coffee out and start a new pot?

someone has peed in it.

Annam,

What you seem to fail to realize or be unwilling to accept, is that fact that many of us here do not agree with what you

1. HAve decided scripture says
   
2. Have deciced scripture doesn't say
   
3. Have decided is the correct course of action in a given situation based on YOUR understanding of scripture
   
4. Have decided is the incorrect course of action in a given situation based on YOUR understanding of scripture
   

YOu might find it easier here at GSC if you accepted that

1. Scripture often speaks to different people in different ways
   
2. Scripture and God often point out a different set of actions to different people in the same circumstances
   
3. God treats all his children as the individuals he created, speaking to each in a manner they best understand, and appointing tasks to each that will best assist each individual in advancing spritually.
   

This does not mean that there are not abosolutes in God's thinking, Adultery, Murder, Worshiping of idols, Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit are absolute NO's yesterday, today and tomorrow.

But much of the rest of life has as great deal to do with location, time, events, and the individual as to the "correct" way to go.

Per God and Jesus Christ, we ARE NOT the judges of another's walk. We can disagree, we can state why we disagree, we can state how we would react, we can state why we would react that way, but to add to any of these the caveat that this is how God says it is to be done, is IMO, wrong except if it is clearly stated as opinion.

Even when a person commits, say, adultery, while we would be right to say God views adultery as a sin, we would be wrong if we claimed to know what God wants the Aldulterer to do in terms of steps toward repentance, and getting back in fellowship. The steps to the goal will be different on a case by case basis and between God and the individual.

Annam, Jesus didn`t seem to have any use for people that hurt the innocent, for those religious leaders who hurt people in God`s name.

Terrible terrible things were done to some of us in God`s name in twi. ...those of us foolish enough to trust that these men were honest. Men who claimed to be speaking for God, inflicted great harm and used the authority garnered as his leader to sate the lusts of their bellies.

This is a place where God works to heal the pain inflicted by unscrupulous people. It is not gossip or back biting if it really happened . I am sorry that it offends you that we talk about what these people did. I think that you ought to be offended by the people who actually committed the crimes against us...shrug.

Jesus publicly warned people about those individuals. He warned about wolves in sheeps clothing and false prophets.... He also called the jerks who inflicted harm the most vile names that he could think of when confronting them.

I see no difference in what we do here. I hope that you will stay around long enough to see and understand the great good and healing that is to be found here.

I'm not offended!

Annam,

What you seem to fail to realize or be unwilling to accept, is that fact that many of us here do not agree with what you

1. HAve decided scripture says
   
2. Have deciced scripture doesn't say
   
3. Have decided is the correct course of action in a given situation based on YOUR understanding of scripture
   
4. Have decided is the incorrect course of action in a given situation based on YOUR understanding of scripture
   

YOu might find it easier here at GSC if you accepted that

1. Scripture often speaks to different people in different ways
   
2. Scripture and God often point out a different set of actions to different people in the same circumstances
   
3. God treats all his children as the individuals he created, speaking to each in a manner they best understand, and appointing tasks to each that will best assist each individual in advancing spritually.
   

This does not mean that there are not abosolutes in God's thinking, Adultery, Murder, Worshiping of idols, Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit are absolute NO's yesterday, today and tomorrow.

But much of the rest of life has as great deal to do with location, time, events, and the individual as to the "correct" way to go.

Per God and Jesus Christ, we ARE NOT the judges of another's walk. We can disagree, we can state why we disagree, we can state how we would react, we can state why we would react that way, but to add to any of these the caveat that this is how God says it is to be done, is IMO, wrong except if it is clearly stated as opinion.

Even when a person commits, say, adultery, while we would be right to say God views adultery as a sin, we would be wrong if we claimed to know what God wants the Aldulterer to do in terms of steps toward repentance, and getting back in fellowship. The steps to the goal will be different on a case by case basis and between God and the individual.

you might be nuts

Annam, Jesus didn`t seem to have any use for people that hurt the innocent, for those religious leaders who hurt people in God`s name.

Terrible terrible things were done to some of us in God`s name in twi. ...those of us foolish enough to trust that these men were honest. Men who claimed to be speaking for God, inflicted great harm and used the authority garnered as his leader to sate the lusts of their bellies.

This is a place where God works to heal the pain inflicted by unscrupulous people. It is not gossip or back biting if it really happened . I am sorry that it offends you that we talk about what these people did. I think that you ought to be offended by the people who actually committed the crimes against us...shrug.

Jesus publicly warned people about those individuals. He warned about wolves in sheeps clothing and false prophets.... He also called the jerks who inflicted harm the most vile names that he could think of when confronting them.

I see no difference in what we do here. I hope that you will stay around long enough to see and understand the great good and healing that is to be found here.

your crazy too

If you are talking specifically about why the "About The Way" forum continues to revist topics on a regular basis, then here is a possible answer.

Most of the people here at GSC suffered abuse of some sort or another at the hands of TWI or are still suffering.

You don't find many people who would tell a fifty year old woman that she should "get over" being repeatedly raped by her father for 10 years. It is accepted that this event leaves life long residue in her life. Some of that residue is easier for her to put in perspective than others, but that life event will always influence at some level decisions she makes in certain areas of her life.

For some of us healing comes when we find we are not alone in our sufferings. for some of us healing comes when we find a place where we can vent as much and as often as we want. For some of us healing comes when we are able to comprehend the why behind the abusers actions. For some of us healing comes when we can help others who are in the place now we once were. For some of us healing comes when we find out that rather than being "crazy" we are actually on of many with the same experience and reactions. For many healing is a combination of some or all of the above and others I haven't mentioned or thought of.

All of us, because we are individuals, are more prone to being hurt by certain behaviors than by others. All of us, because we are individuals, react differently to a given situation. This means that some people experience deep scars from an incident where another may be able to brush off the same incident with little difficulty. Some of us tend to "take the bull by the horns" when dealing with life's problems, some of us tend to retreat.

It is highly presumptuous for anyone to decide that another has had "long enough" to "get over it". This does not mean that we as friends are not allowed to point out methods by which help may be found in the "moving on" Process. This does not mean that we as friends cannot say "you need to get a handle on this and move forward, you are in a pit". What it does mean is that we as friends and fellow voyagers in this life have a responsibility to approach the scarred with compassion and empathy as well as "tough love" where needed.

GSC was established first and foremost, as a place where the goings on of TWI both bad and good could be examined and discussed. This site brings answers and healing to many. As long as I feel a need for my participation, as long as I see that there are still people wresting with what happened in their lives, as long as I feel my interaction with my fellow posters may help them heal or understand, I will continue to post here.

If any poster feels that this site or the "About The Way" forum in particular is of no use thay have the right to state such or avoid it all together. What they do not have a right to do, IMO, is denegrate other posters who wish to participate for whatever reasons

That is all very understandable and you have a very good way of putting it...... Jesus didn't sit around and talk with people about how badly they were hurt or abused, nor did he direct any of his harsh words toward anyone one but the devil and those who were his children. He called it like he saw it then pointed people to the Holy WORD, he also called his disciples on the carpet when they strayed from those teachings.... so far I have only addressed those posts that have dealt with gossip those that are mean spirited. If we are to be like Christ we have to forgive and go on with him, he is the only way to healing, maybe if these posts were followed by some real healing words... i.e Bible .....it would not seem so offensive.

I have been on the couch and it never healed me... only forgiveness and studying, and the biggy.....doing . trying to do , what it says has set any lasting peace in my heart. Go confront these bad way people in person, that would at least be more like Christ . He walked right up to the Pharisees looked them in the eye and gave them the word....Man can you imagine the witness to those who were around and caught up in it? I'll bet he saved a few in those moments.. and the others that didn't follow were just not ready....."MY sheep hear my voice". Love you guys

Annam,

I'm sorry I thought you had a real concern.

twi is still around and hurting and using people.

One example.

Last year I witnessed (via the phone) as a dying man was witnessed too by an innie. As he lay dying, the innie, with leadership support of one or two states, drilled the Law of Believing to him. The man died and all the innie says is "Well, you can tell people The Word but you can't make them believe."

The poor man needed a friend. Instead twi made him an object to be "witnessed too".

I meant no offense to you in my earlier post.

None taken

Annam,

I'm sorry I thought you had a real concern.

twi is still around and hurting and using people.

One example.

Last year I witnessed (via the phone) as a dying man was witnessed too by an innie. As he lay dying, the innie, with leadership support of one or two states, drilled the Law of Believing to him. The man died and all the innie says is "Well, you can tell people The Word but you can't make them believe."

The poor man needed a friend. Instead twi made him an object to be "witnessed too".

I meant no offense to you in my earlier post.

I understand your point , my ex was a way corp kid, dyed in the wool, wishes the old days were back guy who when my brother died after 3 horrible days in ICU his explanation was that my father did not believe enough for him to be healed.

I can tell you all, that was the beginning of the end for me, and as for those who are still in the way, like I said, they have to walk out of it on their own..... so far not one person that I know of personally, has been deprogrammed successfully by anyone of us. It takes love and prayer and reaching out no matter how long and brutal it may seem. If you talk trash you get trash, its reaping and sowing and God makes no allowance for it even if the way is still around. Please realize that the way didn't start sin, and neither did it start God or the bible or believing.( I can hear the reply s now) DUH

My point from the beginning .(if anyone has bothered to listen), has been this.........God gave his word so we could have instruction in everything...right? what is spoken of here is mostly against Gods instruction.....read the book kids..

It doesn't take a genius to understand . DO UNTO OTHERS........JESUS SAID IT i DIDN'T......OF YOU ARE REALLY SURE THAT GOD CAN BLESS CURSING, THEN GO AHEAD.

One thing I can take from this is how much prayer we all need..

almost comical?...C'mon now...it IS comical. and I'm glad that you actually think that my caustic posts are endearing...that touches me...really.

any didn't you know that offense needs no defense...it only needs a target. Mean selves?...Yeah, I can be mean as hell when I decide to be...when I think that being mean serves a purpose...

...and actually, I DO count myself in with the other great folks here...I was only trying to be humble.

...So what is it annam, should we all "renew our minds" until we gain your approval?

you are all very fascinating to be sure, I'm sure also that humble, well lets say I assume , humble is the least of your endearing attributes. Mean and Hell sound like a very good description , (in your own words). Glad I could touch you as well. as for "renewing your mind", that would gain God's approval.... according to the scriptures. ( obey , hide in your heart , etc.) Not my idea at all, but a good one.

annam...if you think I was harsh in my post...go see what I said about Jerry Falwell!

I see you have a tender heart and want to follow the Lord...there are many others here who feel the same...I honestly don't mean to offend you, I'm just calling them like I see em'...I'm being as honest as I know how to be.

I know I'm a bit caustic at times...that's what I do, that's why I'm here...but if I offend you, don't paint everybody here with the same brush...there are some great folks here...

It doesn't surprise me at all , the back lash is almost comical ... caustic is so endearing , and I love the writing criticism , not a one of you has any defense for your offense.... rock on with your mean selves. I gather that you don't count yourself in with the "great folks here"?

have you ever heard of paragraphs?

it would sure as hell make anything you might have to say a heckuva lot easier for the rest of us to decipher if you could use them

thank you.

WE?

Maybe you know the reason that you come here, but thats about it. If those are your reasons then fine, if you have other reasons then fine too, but I do have some news for you--there is no manifestation of mind reading,(unless you have some vastly different bible than me) and your projections and guesses as to others intents are grossly over generalized.

Hello!

It seems to certainly be your intention, since you just took it upon yourself to categorize and judge everyone here on near first glance.

How long have you actually been here observing ? Years? Weeks?

How many of these people do you actually know? One? Two? 500? Zero?

How broad can your understanding of all these posters be that you can lop everyone here into a few sentences in your very short time here?

I guess in your world none of that applies to your thinking about the posters here....

Tell us another one about doing 'what he says" either that or just do what he says instead of being everyones god and judge

for

the

English lesson

Do you really think

you all are any different

than the hundreds of

ex-wayers.........read up in some stuff yourself.

human nature is pretty much across the board the same.

What's amazing is that you would dig up a thread that was started a year ago and hadn't been posted on for 7 weeks and bring it to the top...If it's so "old and useless" why go to the trouble of bringing it all back up again?

"those who live by the past die by the past"...Hmmm, and I always thought that the appropriate saying in this context was "those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it"...

but I suppose if you can't see the "profit" (a term that's straight from the waybrain handbook)...then perhaps we are not the only ones that need luck...

you must be checking up on your old stuff pretty regular.......... Waybrain hmmmm funny how your philosophy about the past doesn't even come close to forgetting and pressing on......I was in the Way too, but fortunately when Craig took over and began to use the F word regularly when teaching and a few other choice disturbing events I left ..... It was The Healing Word and a serious searching for a real relationship with Jesus and some very timely help from people out side of the Waybrain......Many years of Way stuff can't hold a candle to the strength of God and his promise to deliver us.... It just seems that so much scab picking is going on here and lots of commiserating , and to those who don't think I get the reason people come here , I do.... we want to be validated, we want everyone to know that we have been hurt and we have a damn good reason for our bitterness and resentment and possibly good reasons to sin and disobey God. I am sorry that I offended some of you , Thats not my intention , nor is it my intention to judge anyone here for being here. I have looked around and for the most part what stands out is what I have commented on the underlying current seems to be angry and gossipy , both of which we are commanded to not carry. And really what is amazing grouchy is that something you posted a year ago could be mistaken for what is being posted currently. A Last note before I go........The Way was a disaster its true, and people got hurt that can't be denied( I was one of them) Took all the classes did all the way things wow, corp stuff....but I remember walking into a twig fellowship of my own free will because it sparked my interest in studying the Bible(Thank God for that part), and I walked out the same way free.........The only bondage was that which I surrendered , so it makes sense that my true lasting deliverance has come from surrendering to Christ , which is more than words , its actually doing as he says , it is a process and it takes time, many of those here may not have been out of the Way for more that 20 years Like I have ,and I apologize for my insensitivity but please don't let the hurt from the past affect you one more minute.....What so ever is pure lovely and of a good report if there be any virtue ......think on these things..... Phil 4:8 This is Gods word for you all not just a little suggestion .....Look up what he tells you to think and talk about ..... I doubt anyone can find a reason for this kind of continuous forum... I can see this site is exclusive and those with my opinion are not welcome here, how is that unlike how we were in the way? Not much......

I think that Wierwille's selection of Martindale to replace him as president of twi is very revealing...

In a career filled with wrong choices, VPW's final decision to replace himself with king okie led to the rapid downfall of twi. In hindsight, VP SHOULD have known better. Martindale simply wasn't qualified for the job. He was arrogant, self centered, egotistical and not that bright...so why Martindale?

My theory is that Veepee decided to find the most "charismatic" person he could...why? Because in his heart he knew that twi was a personality cult. He could have chosen Walter (who left LCM far behind in terms of biblical knowledge and an ability to make more level headed decisions)...or a host of other candidates that had more organizational skills, more experience in Christian ministry and more Christian qualities in their lives...

My belief is that Veepee knew that it was his own personality that held twi together throughout the years and he needed to find someone who could fill his shoes.

It's a common occurence for a cult to die when the cult leader dies...Wierwille was hopeful that Martindale's charismatic personality would be sufficient to keep it going. Had Wierwille truly believed in the power of God and the integrity of what he taught, his criteria for selecting a new president would have been different.

...So, in a very real sense, his selection of Martindale not only revealed his own lack of Christian faith but also sealed the fate of his cult...relegating it to continue on as a personality cult...and we should thank him for that. His selection of the loud mouth from okie land, ultimately led us to the realization of exactly what we were involved with...

Amazed again ......those who live by the past die by the past...........this stuff is so old and useless, since when did God say lets talk about the past until it makes people vomit and clouds their perception of the present and points their direction of the future? I could understand if the old fart were alive or If Craig was still an influence but for real folks ...its like dragging that old man around the same old mountain and crying about how much it hurts! I hope for the best for you all that keep this endless worthless babel going...... as for me I can't see the profit and I'll say Good bye and good luck because on this track your gonna need it. :wave: :

Then prove it.

DO YOU HAVE ANY JEWISH FRIEND? if you did they would tell you the same thing my husband told me and give a reason why his family is so small...

I have an innie friend who questions their involvement in TWI, but they haven't made the decision to leave yet. They were at a fellowship one night when the twits were making jokes about a local pastor who had gotten caught masturbating in public. My innie friend told them they shouldn't make fun of the situation because of the things LCM got caught doing. The response from the BC was that people come to TWI for the knowledge.

Does knowledge cover a multitude of sins? Obviously it does in twit leadership eyes. Doesn't the Word say knowledge puffs up? Prov 16:18-19 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud. Craig ought to know, he was very prideful, and look where he is now. If he hadn't gotten caught, he would still be doing the same thing and thinking he was Jesus on a stick.

TWI needs to get real about what they really represent. They put so much emphasis on "The Word" that they forget who the head of the church is, and they lose the main key to Christianity: Jesus Christ. We'll see how many flock to them for the knowledge. Knowledge without love is abominable IMHO.

The problem is that they never really knew the Head of the body...........if the did they would be convicted by his heart and words..........funny how many christians don't even know the teachings of they one they name themselves after, even if they read them it just passes through their heads or lands on stoney ground, The Way was and is very stoney ground always based on the flesh and knowledge (not unlike so many other groups) you hit it on the head.....Its one thing to talk about the word like we did in the Way and another to actually follow the Word like God commands And please lets remember that is goes for us as well when it comes to bashing the former leaders in the Way , if not we are the worst of all hypocrits:who_me:

I have an innie friend who questions their involvement in TWI, but they haven't made the decision to leave yet. They were at a fellowship one night when the twits were making jokes about a local pastor who had gotten caught masturbating in public. My innie friend told them they shouldn't make fun of the situation because of the things LCM got caught doing. The response from the BC was that people come to TWI for the knowledge.

Does knowledge cover a multitude of sins? Obviously it does in twit leadership eyes. Doesn't the Word say knowledge puffs up? Prov 16:18-19 Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall. Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud. Craig ought to know, he was very prideful, and look where he is now. If he hadn't gotten caught, he would still be doing the same thing and thinking he was Jesus on a stick.

TWI needs to get real about what they really represent. They put so much emphasis on "The Word" that they forget who the head of the church is, and they lose the main key to Christianity: Jesus Christ. We'll see how many flock to them for the knowledge. Knowledge without love is abominable IMHO.

Granted, Gibson has shown himself to have numerous issues in his personal life...but he still knows how to make excellant films.

The unique thing about this film is that there is not a single English word uttered...it's all in captions and he pulls it off quite well.

The brutality and the blood letting are over the top...this film should not be shown to kids or to those with weak stomachs.