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And Calvin and his mindset was the 'Honey Wagon'.

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Recently I spent some time researching John Calvin and what todays Calvinists actually beleive. In case your wondering, most Calvinists are Presbyterians but not all presbyterians are Calvinists.

It is some rather shocking material.

It focuses on what Calvinists call the TULIP. The first two concepts are rather gregarious which are

1) (T) Total depravity or Total Inability

2) Uncondional Election ( which conceptually just means predestination)

The Calvinists beleieve that they are incapable of doing anything good. (The bible doesnt teach this)

You are incapable at birth. But you are predestinated or elected AND ITS GODS JOB TO MAKE IT HAPPEN NOT YOURS. You cant do anything to make yourself any better because you have total inability. (Of course the bible says to WORK out YOUR salvation with fear and trembling.

Reading this stuff I think it is probably one of the most dangerous promiscuous doctrines ever invented.

You could easily envision people who dont have any moral fortitude doing any thing they want , because the are totally unable. The end result of course is once you have your salvation you can never lose it. This is always a key component to any group that doesnt want the members to feel they need to put some salt in it, and also a common doctrine which is flouted with those who are cults. Real religion or service never needs it because one is secure in God's love.

Anyway, its my view this doctrine is worse than that which Catholics disgarded years ago, namely selling indulgences. At least with indulgences you had to pay something for your deeds. This stuff has to be the most cultic doctrine I think I have ever seen.

comments?

This might help you understand Calvin. After Luther's death, Calvin was hired to go from his home in France to Genieva (? might not have the right city). His job there was to write a theology

that could be used for the purpose of establishing that city as a not-Roman theocratic city-state.

Sure, it sounds cultish--because it is. That was the guy's whole gig. To set up a closed-culture

city with an irreproachable government that saw no particular reason to fight with or against

other cities. It would be the city indwelt by predestined, true believers. Think of it as the Rock of Ages with cobblestones and wooden huts instead of mud and tents. The proof that we are the

only predestined, true believers is the fact that we are here, in the city of God. The proof that

"they" are not true believers is the fact that they're not here. There ya go--Calvin in an espresso

cup.

FaltrockwhizCalvin in a small Cup

Recently I spent some time researching John Calvin and what todays Calvinists actually beleive. In case your wondering, most Calvinists are Presbyterians but not all presbyterians are Calvinists.

It is some rather shocking material.

It focuses on what Calvinists call the TULIP. The first two concepts are rather gregarious which are

1) (T) Total depravity or Total Inability

2) Uncondional Election ( which conceptually just means predestination)

The Calvinists beleieve that they are incapable of doing anything good. (The bible doesnt teach this)

You are incapable at birth. But you are predestinated or elected AND ITS GODS JOB TO MAKE IT HAPPEN NOT YOURS. You cant do anything to make yourself any better because you have total inability. (Of course the bible says to WORK out YOUR salvation with fear and trembling.

Reading this stuff I think it is probably one of the most dangerous promiscuous doctrines ever invented.

You could easily envision people who dont have any moral fortitude doing any thing they want , because the are totally unable. The end result of course is once you have your salvation you can never lose it. This is always a key component to any group that doesnt want the members to feel they need to put some salt in it, and also a common doctrine which is flouted with those who are cults. Real religion or service never needs it because one is secure in God's love.

Anyway, its my view this doctrine is worse than that which Catholics disgarded years ago, namely selling indulgences. At least with indulgences you had to pay something for your deeds. This stuff has to be the most cultic doctrine I think I have ever seen.

comments?

This might help you understand Calvin. After Luther's death, Calvin was hired to go from his home in France to Genieva (? might not have the right city). His job there was to write a theology

that could be used for the purpose of establishing that city as a not-Roman theocratic city-state.

Sure, it sounds cultish--because it is. That was the guy's whole gig. To set up a closed-culture

city with an irreproachable government that saw no particular reason to fight with or against

other cities. It would be the city indwelt by predestined, true believers. Think of it as the Rock of Ages with cobblestones and wooden huts instead of mud and tents. The proof that we are the

only predestined, true believers is the fact that we are here, in the city of God. The proof that

"they" are not true believers is the fact that they're not here. There ya go--Calvin in an espresso

cup.

FaltrockwhizCalvin in a small Cup

Recently I spent some time researching John Calvin and what todays Calvinists actually beleive. In case your wondering, most Calvinists are Presbyterians but not all presbyterians are Calvinists.

It is some rather shocking material.

It focuses on what Calvinists call the TULIP. The first two concepts are rather gregarious which are

1) (T) Total depravity or Total Inability

2) Uncondional Election ( which conceptually just means predestination)

The Calvinists beleieve that they are incapable of doing anything good. (The bible doesnt teach this)

You are incapable at birth. But you are predestinated or elected AND ITS GODS JOB TO MAKE IT HAPPEN NOT YOURS. You cant do anything to make yourself any better because you have total inability. (Of course the bible says to WORK out YOUR salvation with fear and trembling.

Reading this stuff I think it is probably one of the most dangerous promiscuous doctrines ever invented.

You could easily envision people who dont have any moral fortitude doing any thing they want , because the are totally unable. The end result of course is once you have your salvation you can never lose it. This is always a key component to any group that doesnt want the members to feel they need to put some salt in it, and also a common doctrine which is flouted with those who are cults. Real religion or service never needs it because one is secure in God's love.

Anyway, its my view this doctrine is worse than that which Catholics disgarded years ago, namely selling indulgences. At least with indulgences you had to pay something for your deeds. This stuff has to be the most cultic doctrine I think I have ever seen.

comments?

This might help you understand Calvin. After Luther's death, Calvin was hired to go from his home in France to Genieva (? might not have the right city). His job there was to write a theology

that could be used for the purpose of establishing that city as a not-Roman theocratic city-state.

Sure, it sounds cultish--because it is. That was the guy's whole gig. To set up a closed-culture

city with an irreproachable government that saw no particular reason to fight with or against

other cities. It would be the city indwelt by predestined, true believers. Think of it as the Rock of Ages with cobblestones and wooden huts instead of mud and tents. The proof that we are the

only predestined, true believers is the fact that we are here, in the city of God. The proof that

"they" are not true believers is the fact that they're not here. There ya go--Calvin in an espresso

cup.