RachelYsrael

Here's another point of view for your consideration.

I was thinking of some of the characters in twi. There was this one striking tall woman. When I first met her she spoke plainly. Then a few years later, she started sporting a jamaican accent. When asked why the change in accent, she would make up stories that were obviously not true.

I know Im late in responding but this sure sounds like a lady I knew in Oakland. Was she a Black lady? Her name was Angela and she wasnt faking. She was from The Islands and relocated to NY. The accent in/out is common in that situation. She wasnt faking, but she was bisexual. Caused a real stink in the Bay Area...

Does anyone know where he is and how to contact him?

John Custer???

The life of the flesh is in the blood. Maybe that's why it's "Special" - For the exact reason God said it is.

I've read many of your posts, TMVP and have determined that you really like to "hear" yourself talk (or type) I don't think I've ever seen anyone respond to their own posts so consistently. Talking to yourself?

And you answer yourself too?

WOW?

And the turning simple statements into questions is also...unique.

I think if you would read what is written in the word about the many and varied subjects you raise so many questions about you would have fewer questions and lot's more answers.

You asked (yourself) about the ...sacredness??? of blood???

And why it is that???

The life of the flesh is in the blood.

There is a period after that, not a question mark.

Don't recall if/where the Bible says "Blood is sacred" but it does say the life of the flesh is in the blood.

So, that's what I will believe, because Moses wrote it, by revelation from The God, in one of his many conversations with Him.

From your many questions to anyone in general and yourself specifically that doesn't seem to be good enough for you.

I think there comes a time in everyone's life (Spiritual) where they reach a point at which they say to themselves, "Hey You/Me? Do you really believe this book or that book? Do we/I/You believe what you say I/Me?we say we do, to ourselves?"

I asked myself recently, Rachel??? Are you still actively believing the Bible?

Do you still believe The Sabbath is a THE sign between Him and His people?

Do you still believe that Sunday worship is counterfeit?

Rachel, do you still believe that if you love HIM you will keep His commandments?

If you don't believe that anymore, go have a good time doing what people that do believe Him call Willful Sin, because if you don't believe Him anymore you are no longer bound by His word, Right Rachel?

We decided we still believe His Word, so I/Me/We will continue to fight the good fight.

I hope that you have that conversation with yourself and make a decision about what you believe. Most of the Bible is pretty straight forward, so even though you may not have a very good understanding of the more spiritual matters, it is possible to read and believe most of what you read without intense study and research.

Eventually you will get to a point in your walk where you will literally shyt of get off the pot. Either way you will move.

Good Luck.

Whatever you do, do it with ALL YOUR POWER.

I'm not advising you in either decision - Just trying to push you into making one, and stop dickin' around,

RachelIsrael

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom....

Teachmevp:

I don't want to rehash my views on your questions to me. You can go over things I wrote a long time ago in a galaxy far away (Had to say that)

I must say I've mellowed out quite a bit while still believing everything I said a few years ago. Here's a link that may interest you. Why don't you read my posts on this thread and we can talk later this evening? No sarcasm (I'll try) just good convo, ok?

And you, please try not to get to out there too, ok?

RachelIsrael

http://www.greasespo...__1#entry398688

Teach me more about your view on the mind tied to the soul, seems their something to that?

I'm trying to understand how our behavior ties into the soul, that struggle?

It seems on one of your threads, I can learn some cool stuff.

The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom....

Teachmevp:

I don't want to rehash my views on your questions to me. You can go over things I wrote a long time ago in a galaxy far away (Had to say that)

I must say I've mellowed out quite a bit while still believing everything I said a few years ago. Here's a link that may interest you. Why don't you read my posts on this thread and we can talk later this evening? No sarcasm (I'll try) just good convo, ok?

And you, please try not to get to out there too, ok?

RachelIsrael

Hi Rachel, haven't seen you in ages.

Have to agree with you, BSG WTF.

Teachmevp can sometimes be just a little difficult to follow in his posts.

HI Twinky!!!

Two left hands, noooo, I see you haven't placed yourself under that law, that's what is my concern.

Tell me about this I Am, and Remain?

See if you can dig up some of my previous posts to other threads.

RACHELISRAEL

(Still and always)

"On the one hand, you recognize the unconditional and eternal...

But on the other hand, you do recognize the emphasis on the covenant at Sinai; It’s a conditional covenant."

Are you saying I have 2 left hands?

Or, are you saying both my hands know what the other hand is doing?

Is there a third hand (Foundation, anyone?)

Are you giving me props?

OK OK. Since there's No question mark after your statement I suppose you are acknowledging that I recognize whatever it is you said in your response to Isaiah. (not me).

I Am,and Remain,

Rachel Israel

"...thank you for your insight, I learned a lot?"

Canadian then. That explains quite a bit.

I Am.

Rachel

I Am.

Israel

Who are you?

VP Dead for centuries now.

Have you been in coma, or HUmbolt Cnty?

I haven't posted in a while but I

Do Drop Inn

Once in a while.

PFAL is so 80's

Thank You,

Rachel Israel

Frack.

Frak???

Battle Star Galactica.

Who's your teacher?

Acts 8:30

Rachel Israel

Wow.

Hmmm.

WTF???

BSG WTF...

Not the regular WTF.

Hi Gang,

A friend sent me this, and I found it quite refreshing and thought I'd share.

No comments, thoughts or personal opinions.

Rachel

Order my steps in thy word: and let not any iniquity have dominion over me. Deliver me from the oppression of man: so will I keep thy precepts. Make thy face to shine upon thy servant; and teach me thy statutes.

Psalm 119:133-135

I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil. They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

John 17:14-17

And his disciples asked him, saying, What might this parable be? And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. Those by the way side are they that hear; then cometh the devil, and taketh away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away. And that which fell among thorns are they, which, when they have heard, go forth, and are choked with cares and riches and pleasures of this life, and bring no fruit to perfection. But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience. No man, when he hath lighted a candle, covereth it with a vessel, or putteth it under a bed; but setteth it on a candlestick, that they which enter in may see the light. For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad. Take heed therefore how ye hear: for whosoever hath, to him shall be given; and whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he seemeth to have. Then came to him his mother and his brethren, and could not come at him for the press. And it was told him by certain which said, Thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to see thee. And he answered and said unto them, My mother and my brethren are these which hear the word of God, and do it. Luke 8:9-21

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

John 8:31-32

Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Revelation 3:10-12

Tonight at sunset marks the beginning of Passover 2008.

Tonight Jewish families will sit down together for the traditional Passover Seder meal.

My family has been having our own Passover Seder for years now. I have found it to be an especially meaningful time, especially to teach my kids about what Jesus Christ did for us as the Passover Lamb, and how He inaugurated the New Covenant at his Passover Seder with His disciples on the eve of his crucifixion.

Does anyone else celebrate Passover?

Passover and the Feast Days - Tonight at sundown starts the first night of Unleavened Bread.

RachelYsrael

dear oak,

i have NEVER said that the hellenists were "gentiles"...

(but you wouldn't know it from trying to read the color-coded thingie)

i have repeatedly stated that the hellenists (in this verse) were jews!...

i have always maintained that they were of jewish lineage, and that they followed the hellenist culture (and the hellenist culture was a pagan culture)...

my point has always been that they were NOT christians...

because once a jew accepts Jesus as Lord, then they follow Christ (and not paganism)

i think that the term "greek-speaking jews" is a very poor translation...

but i accused no individual on this thread of "private interpretation"...

except i do accuse peterson of taking great liberties in his "paraphrase" version of "the message"...

and i believe that his use of the term "greek-speaking jews" is misleading... because a culture is MORE than a language...

i have explained all of this before, but maybe bride has set up a straw man argument to CONFUSE what i actually said!

living in a pagan culture is not the point... we ALL (and all christians) live in a pagan culture...

Jen-O: Sorry to be so late, but please. Tell me what the Jews were doing that was considered "PAGAN" What exactly is pagan?

I need a refresher, so please. Refresh me so I amy respond.

What do you consider Pagan?

Rachel

I really have to disagree, BJC about the Greeks being Israelites. My reasoning is based on common sense, not commentary. In Acts 2 we see the believers had all things common, breaking bread from house to house, Levites repenting and selling their property (Under the Law they are not allowed to own anything, remember) So, when the Levite sold his land, he was keeping the Levitical Law that pertained to him.

No I ask you something. I f all this was going on, why would a group of Israelite believers all of a sudden start complaining and taking issue that they were being neglected? Why would it specifically say Greeks and not believers if what you say is so? Why would they be singled out, if Acts 2 is true and the believers had all things common?

I am sure these people were Gentiles, and not Christian. The believers were slacking on their civil duties to the rulers of the city - Greeks and Romans. I am also sure that the Israelite sect of Christians were eating very well, and they continued to share all with each other.

Rachel

Rachel: by all means re-post what I have posted using the same scriptures from KJV if that is what you prefer.

I invite you to consider the content (+heart) not the precise words.

I assure you Twink that I am considering content and heart of this thread.

You seem determined to pick a fight.

I am not PICKING a fight Twinky. I thought one was already going on. But if I am wrong, please forgive me. I love discussing, contending and disputing the scriptures. I will be as polite as you...:)

I am not fighting, arguing or anything else. Just ... asking. Kindly reply politely or not at all. Ex-Wayfers have seen too much abuse. Let's not add to it. If I offended you by what I posted in response ot someone else (as you say), I'm sorry. Perhaps that person can respond if offended - or are you the same person?

No, I am not the same person - but I was under the impression that this thread was a free-for-all - I just jumped in. Again, forgive me (I have 70 x 7 - 2 to go )

I welcome considered comments. Plese keep this thread civil :-)

I will be as civil as you.

So, what did you think about my response to the verses you posted in your opening thread?

Rachel

Of course you are both soooo right, Bride and Rachel.

Rachel, you do not need to be insulting.

Like I said before, Twinky - I was responding in the tone YOU set with BJC. Does "Don't argue with me" sound familiar?

This is not About the Way - it's Doctrinal, and if you prefer "a good row" you can stay in About The Way.

I don't recall saying or implying anything "about the way" - I am light years removed from that, it seems like a dream. The doctrine and the attitude. And in case you haven't noticed, the Doctrinal Thread is full of good healthy debates - rows about doctrinal issues in the Bible. Maybe you could browse some past threads to catch up. And, I generally don't visit the about the way forum, so I can't stay there.

I must have over a dozen different versions of the Bible at home. I have read KJV so very long that it is too familiar. I read The Message occasionally because it gives suuuuch a different picture BUT if you go back and read it in KJV or a more tight translation you see what it is getting at. I chose to use The Message not because it is good but because it breaks out of the KJV/TWI mold - sometimes it's so eyebrow-raising that it makes me take another look at KJV or anything else. It's not my Bible of choice.

Your choice. The message is garbage. In My Humble Opinion. A waste of time. I was trying to illustrate in just the opening verses of your original thread how far removed your book is from what the traditional translations teach as to be laughable. When you start defending what you are saying with such garbage, then I have to respond. If it's not your bible of choice, and so obviously chock-full of holes and outright lies that in no way resembe scripture, why use it?

My invitation is to think outside the box for a while. But if you prefer not to, that's fine.

I have no problem with thinking outside the box. If you would care to read some of my posts you will see that. Just try to stay within the Scriptures while thinking outside the traditional box that is mainstream so-called christian doctrine. I mean no offense. I responded to you in kind. If you can't take it, don't do it to others.

RachelYsrael

Here’s a verse which always seemed a little “off” to me (all quotes from The Message, which I read occasionally for its freshness and vitality).

Acts 6

1 During this time, as the disciples were increasing in numbers by leaps and bounds, hard feelings developed among the Greek-speaking believers - "Hellenists" - toward the Hebrew-speaking believers because their widows were being discriminated against in the daily food lines. 2 So the Twelve called a meeting of the disciples. They said, "It wouldn't be right for us to abandon our responsibilities for preaching and teaching the Word of God to help with the care of the poor. 3 So, friends, choose seven men from among you whom everyone trusts, men full of the Holy Spirit and good sense, and we'll assign them this task. 4 Meanwhile, we'll stick to our assigned tasks of prayer and speaking God's Word."

These first 2 verses do not say the Greeks were "poor Greek-speaking believers - it says the Greeks murmured against the Hebrews because their (Greek) widows were being neglected in the "daily ministration". Verese 2 tells us that this is referring to meals. As I said previously, Jerusalem had been occupied by Rome, and there was a strong Greek presence as well. To learn more about that, please refer back to Kings and Daniel, they tell the history very well.

We know that Gentiles did not become part of the Christian sect of Israel until Acts 10, when Cornelius and his household believed, and they were Romans, by the way. So there is the first error with your enlightening little book.

Last night this verse suddenly pinged into new vision (as it were). I have never seen or heard anything taught like this so offer it for considered opinion. I could be completely off the wall.

You may very well be, and completely.

So right from the beginning, the apostles didn’t want to get involved with the poor. Excuse me, hadn’t they spent enough time with Jesus, walking the streets, talking to all and sundry?

Excuse me - Jesus told them to go not in the way of the Gentiles. That is what they heard. Jesus said I come to the lost sheep of the HOUSE OF ISRAEL. They were doing what He told them. They had no problem with the poor. Israel was and is still poor. Remember how Paul tells the Philippians about the poor saints in Jerusalem? (Another story for another time) So, they did indeed talk to to all and sundry Israelites. No Doubt.

(Doesn’t this sound a bit like the Pope refusing to leave the Vatican, other church leaders preferring to stay in their palaces, houses and comfort places; even wannabe ministry leaders living in log cabins? But I don’t want to derail my own thread here!)

Too late, Luther. I mean Twinky. (And this is just your opening statement!)

Here is the actual commission, the last words of the Lord Jesus Christ to them:

Acts 1

4 As they met and ate meals together, he told them that they were on no account to leave Jerusalem but "must wait for what the Father promised: the promise you heard from me. 5 John baptized in water; you will be baptized in the Holy Spirit. And soon."

6 When they were together for the last time they asked, "Master, are you going to restore the kingdom to Israel now?

Is this the time?" 7 He told them, "You don't get to know the time. Timing is the Father's business. 8 What you'll get is the Holy Spirit. And when the Holy Spirit comes on you, you will be able to be my witnesses in Jerusalem, all over Judea and Samaria, even to the ends of the world." 9 These were his last words.

I have read the above statement here a few times, and quite frankly, or Shirley if you are a girl, I don't know where are what you are talking about. But I do know that those apostles knew where the Judean Kingdom was, but the Kingdom of Israel - the 10 tribes were missing. They were asking Him was He going to return those 10 tribes back to the land and restore their kingdom. That is what Jesus was referring to when He said it is not for you to know the times or the seasons - If you read Isaiah 12 and 13 you see all the tribes returning. But we still don't know when this will be. It has not happened yet. I think this may be why He told them to go to the ends of the earth - Deuteronomy 28 says Israel would be scattered to the 4 ends of the earth. Hmm, food for thought there.

So. They're told to wait for a few days – get the gift of holy spirit – then they are to be witnesses in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and elsewhere. They weren’t told to wait around afterwards. Weren’t told to stay in Jerusalem. Were told to “get out there.”

So why do we find them quite a long time later – still in Jerusalem?

You have to refer back to the prophecy on Israel by that Moses gave, that they would be scattered to the 4 corners of the earth - As you read on in Acts, and history as well, they were scattered by the Romans after the fall in 70AD. I think maybe Jesus' words in Acts 1:8 were prophecy, the same prophecy Moses spoke concerning Israel in Deuteronomy.

Deu 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, even wood and stone.

Deu 28:65 And among these nations shalt thou find no ease, neither shall the sole of thy foot have rest: but the LORD shall give thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and sorrow of mind:

More later, but hopefully if you consider what I have written, you may see things in different light. I promise I will get back to this tomorrow.

Rachel

To twinky...

The translation you are attempting to quote from is so far removed from Holy Scripture as to be laughable. I wake up each morning looking for what joke you will tell next - but it's not you, it's just that counterfeit book you seem to hold so dear. I will print this thread out, then go over it with my trusty KJV and try to decipher what the heck you are trying to say here.

There is one comment you made that was greatly offensive by the way - the snippet about Peter and the vision he had...It was a bit garbled so I will have to read a bit slower when I stop giggling. I know you mean well, but I present this response in the spirit of your responses to my Sista BJC.

So, I will get back to you.

And I love a good row once in a while to keep me on my toes, so as soon as I decipher it all, we'll get to it.

Oh - as to this snippet here, I know from your response to me you either didn't read what I said, or you don't understand English to well. Or it could be that thing you read someone called a Bible.

Rachel: it was the Greeks who were complaining they were neglected, not Hebrews. Not clear whether these were people who normally lived in or close to Jerusalem, or whether they were also visitors from parts round about come for the big Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) and stayed. Or even other visitors, traders and passers-by who came and never left.

I will explain your errors in this statement in a bit, I promise.

RachelYsrael

Amo 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?

Amo 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

Acts 6:1

And in those days, when the number of the disciples was multiplied, there arose a murmuring of the Grecians against the Hebrews, because their widows were neglected in the daily ministrations...

I believe this section is referring to not a spiritual neglect, but a carnal one. Jeruselem was under Roman occupation, and the Hebrews were the hired help. Many of them were slaves. So as more Israelites believed on Jesus, the daily tasks of servitude was suffering. This is why they they said it is not reason that they should leave the Word of God and SERVE TABLES...We are exhorted in the Word to do all things with a spiritual outlook, so they appointed 7 men that met spiritual requirements to coordinate the care of the the Greek women that were widows. I don't believe this service had anything to do with the Word of God, other than it had to be done.

Rachel

I just do not see where it's only talking of married couples when there is so much else covered.

Exactly what am I tempting anyone to do or think.

Think for themselves about what Jesus is saying, that much is sure. The pharisees had there own problems, Jesus was not a pharisee. Jesus had a different look at the opportunity to speak imo. To which we are all entitled to. Consider it or not. Argue, but I will not argue back. You can think as you please.

In all honesty I am not trying to start a fight, but to think on these things. It's anyones option. Their choice, not mine.

Cman - I am not trying to argue with you; In fact, I find you quite refreshing. If you look at my posts a bit more closely I am sure you will see that I am not offended. I hope you are not as well.

As to what else Jesus might have been referring to, It does speak volumes. I will tell you what I see...

Jesus was reaffirming the 10 Commandment laws - specifically about adultery - It is unlawful to put away your spouse unless they have cheated on you.

He was also pointing out that Moses was wrong. Just because something has been recorded in the Bible, like Moses allowing Israel to divorce, does not mean it is correct and the Will of God.

I see this very plainly in regards to Paul and circumcision. Paul convinced the elders to slack off on Gentile circumcision, but biblically he was wrong...Circumcision is a sign that we are children of promise, under Abrahams' covenant and was re-established under the law of Moses. If you read the record of Abraham, you will see that it is rewuired forever by the people of God, but Paul allowed something else. And he was wrong.

Rachel