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    lcm letters of threat

    in About The Way

    Posted

    In 1977 I was scheduled to enter the 8th corps. I sent a letter to Emporia informing them of my decision not to attend. I received a letter from lcm threatening me if I did not keep my committment: He said that if I did not follow through with my committment then I would no longer be under the umbrella of God's protection and that one of two things would happen to me within the first year of my decision:1)I would be met with a tragic death or 2)I would end up in a mental institution. He was almost right about the second one.

    Does anyone remember this letter? I wish that I would have kept it but I trashed it and never told anyone. I would like to get a copy of the letter if anyone has it. I know that I did not dream this.

    Blessings,

    bluesunday

    Indy 1975-1982

    in Friend Tracker

    Posted

    Hello WG. You've got my curiousity. Give me another hint.

    quote:
    Originally posted by Watered Garden:

    Blue Sunday, if you read this, PT me. I expect we have mutual friends. I was WOW 1974-75 but I took PFAL in Indy and was a secretary at IUMC.

    WG

    TWI worships an idol

    in About The Way

    Posted

    JR, just wanted to let you know that I have enjoyed your posts in this thread very much. I was in 1975-1982 and I had forgoten all about the "absent Christ" blasphemy crap. To this day I still catch myself being careful not to use the word "Jesus". Very devilish and I do remember vp pounding on the pulpit and screaming about all those poor posessed weak so-called christians who were of the devil because THEY worshipped another jesus. Well, we all know the outcome of buying into vp's heresy. God forgive me(and He has)

    bluesunday

    quote:
    Originally posted by igotout:

    Coolwaters - _Bibliolatry _ is the term I use for their mind set.

    It was John Lyxn who first started with the concept (when he was booted in 1988?) of the "Absent Christ in TWI". He made pretty powerful and valid points. Watch Athletes of the Spirit sometime if you can stomach it to see a prime example of Jesus left out of that whole pathetic production. This revelation by JL was disturbing to those of us who were caught in the middle listening to both sides of the battles in the so called "fog years". It rocked our comfortable world.

    Though I stayed in TWI for over a decade longer, I have come to believe TWI indeed left Jesus out of TWI in so many ways causing idolatry to ensue. In fact we were taught that to even use the word "Jesus" was wrong. You were reprimanded sharply or thrown out, labled as possessed or an idolator if you dared teach, or speak using Jesus instead of saying "Jesus Christ" or at the very least "Christ".

    And then there was the teaching that there was a BIG devil spirit named Jesus, the real catalyst behind all the popular Christian religions of the day.

    Personally I think it was rubbish. I even did a "Research Paper" called "The Names and Titles of Jesus Christ" while in the Corps so I studied this quite a lot back then and even slanted my viewpoint to substantiate TWI's reasoning for not using the name Jesus in our day and time.

    (It represented the human earthly man who was humiliated and killed rather than the risen Christ Jesus, ya know. Therefore we use Jesus Christ instead of Jesus. Again rubbish.)

    Since being away from the influence of TWI I believe these are just names when it really comes down to it. What is believed about the man is more important than what name you use for him. For me now using the term Jesus and thinking about him from a gospel viewpoint gives me more of a sense of him as a savior than the risen christ does. (What blasphemy!). I mean, I like the risen "sandals in the sky" dude a whole lot. But I am still human, down here where he once was, dealing with humanity in all our flaws.

    I think the epistles have been over rated and the gospels under rated in TWI. Today I get more out of reading a real life story about some of the things he did as a human than I do in reading some of the deeeeeeep truths of the structure of Ephesians or Corinthians (Yawn). (Again what blasphemy.)

    And what to make of this awful statement that was oft quoted in TWI:

    "The Bible takes the place of the Absent Christ today"

    How much more clear could it be?

    As Penn & Teller say...... Bull....*!

    John Richeson

    Tampa,FL

    ILLINOIS

    in By State

    Posted

    I was a WOW in Springfield,Il 1976-77 and was busy "spreading the word" since we were in a race with the illuminati. Door-to-door in the afternoon and in malls, bars, and anywhere else that revelation led us in the evening. We had to make our numbers for running pfal at least once a month, remember? I would love to contact my wow family. I can't remember last names except for Grant Upchurch but there was Vicki, Nancy, and myself. Can anyone help?

    If Trinitarians are so bad...

    in About The Way

    Posted

    Well said, rascal! It truly is healing to realize that it is possible to meet, eat, and fellowship together with some genuine folks who simply just want to live and love for God. We all can find things to discuss that we all embrace dearly and trying to be a "mister-know-it-all" spiritual giant just causes division, makes the spritual giant appear as prideful, arrogant, and someone to avoid. Of course, we could put on our tuxes and tophats and lift our heads up and throw our shoulders back and bellow "LOOK OUT!!! Here comes a son of god with all power. "Boy, oh, boy, that just thrills my soul, peepul.

    quote:
    Originally posted by rascal:

    Our karate class held bible study once a week...now mind you, we have people from every denomination and belief system imaginable....It was amazing how we were able to learn from each other....simply because we had already developed a respect for one anothers strengths and abilities.

    It was amazing how we were able to apreciate each others unique perspectives....9 times out of ten....our perspectives dovetailed enriching each others understanding...and it never failed that we came away with a greater apreciation for the scriptures studied.

    Never once did it degenerate into a battle over doctrines....it didn`t need to, there are far to many meaningfull things to study and enrich our lives with.

    We are not nearly so different as we were led to believe.

    Larry Norman

    in Movies, Music, Books, Art

    Posted

    TommyZ,

    I saw him a few years ago in Chicago. He performed at a coffehouse doing his unplugged version. It was really cool to listen him talk about the background of some songs such as "Why don't you look into Jesus" which he wrote about Janis Joplin when he warmed up for her in the late 60's. Afterwards, he took a bunch of us out for pizza. It was a alot of fun! I'm so glad that I had that opportunity cause his health has been getting progressively worse and it is very doubtful that he will ever be on the road again like that. oops..I know...where is my believing?

    Music Concerts: How Much Will You Pay?

    in Movies, Music, Books, Art

    Posted

    Oh yeah, I saw Jackson Browne two years ago in Indy. Fantastic show. Believe it or not, he warmed up for Tom Petty who put on an electrifying performance. I would be willing to unload and setup the stage for Jackson and then pay top dollar for primo seats. But next time he will have to pay me to sing backup.

    quote:
    Originally posted by TheManOfa Thousand ScreenNames:

    I saw Jackson Browne last year in Detroit. Great show.

    There are only a couple of more concerts I would like to see. I want to see Tom Waits (in a small venue) and Jackson Browne on his solo acoustic tour.

    I would be willing to go about 150 for Jackson Browne and about a hundred for Tom Waits.

    Looking for a good whoop a$$ story.

    in About The Way

    Posted

    They hurt you at home and hit you at school

    They hate you if you're clever but despise a fool

    Till you're so f*****g crazy you can't follow their rules

    A working class hero is someone to be

    quote:
    Originally posted by TheInvisibleDan:

    Don't know if this qualifies as an a$$-wooping tale...but I think I may have knocked the wind out of LCM "spiritually" back in '81.

    He was visiting in the Hartford area (at one of those big conference rooms at a hotel). At the meeting, he ranted and raved and carried on for about a half hour against the late John Lennon, calling him a hypocrite for writing a song called "Imagine" and living a wealthy lifestyle, blah, blah, blah...

    At the conclusion of the meeting, amidst the usual crowd mingling and styrofoam coffee cups, I walked up to LCM and greeted him. Looking upon me, he turned as white as a sheet, and was seemingly mute. I was wearing my round, gold-rimmed "John Lennon" eyeglasses that day, which I guess, along with my long hair, apparently spooked the crap out of him. I'll never forget that bizarre expression on his face, his troubled eyes.

    He seemed at a loss for words. Imagine that.

    I still laugh thinking about it.

    Danny

    Where "The Word" is Taught

    in About The Way

    Posted

    Thanks, I just had a gutt-rolling laugh. Dont forget that we had our quotas so after twig we had to go out(refreshed by the living word-ha)and scrape around door-to-door looking for $100,oops i mean looking for lost souls. God forgive me.

    quote:
    Originally posted by JustThinking:

    Gracious Heavenly Father I just thank you for just sending your son and for just... and for just... and for just...

    After these painful prayers, the teachings were actually a relief at times. At least I knew it was closer to being over. Hey, I found a positive here. ;-)

    Where "The Word" is Taught

    in About The Way

    Posted

    oakie,

    Yeah, I was a TL and I was told emphatically to only teach from out of PFAL or other books by vpw. It certainly did limit growth and creativity as a believer. It got to the point where I no longer really had to prepare, just regurgitate. When I was on the WOW field I became friends with a dj on the radio and he interviewed me about twi. Needless to say that I was confronted by my corps BL. He claimed that he had discussed this with the "powers to be" and I was to cease and desist. It was so very strange because he called me around 9pm and told me to meet him in an open area in the local park. I thought that perhaps he just wanted to kick my a**.When I met him he appeared to be very secretive and kept peering around as if the illuminati were watching our each and every move. That is just one of many things that happened that year to cause me to wonder if I had made a major mistake.

    bluedaze

    Off a new tangent

    in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible

    Posted

    Hey there ,def. If you enjoyed "Next Door Saviour" then I highly recommend "When Christ Comes" by Max. I would be interested in your response to it. Max Lucado is an excellent writer and speaks in terms that anyone can understand.

    bluesunday

    quote:
    Originally posted by def59:

    Another update

    I finished "Next Door Savior" by Max Lucado

    Is anyone familiar with him. It was my first encounter with him.

    Great book. He's pro-Trinity, but still a good read for anyone interested in Jesus.

    Now I am on to "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel. He is an-atheist-turned-Christian, and a former journalist, a legal reporter for a Chicago paper. Now he writes books and works for Willow Creek Church outside of Chicago.

    Indy 1975-1982

    in Friend Tracker

    Posted

    uh-oh! This is getting close to the nerve endings. I was the Evil One in that skit that we did at the IV clubhouse. DK was one of my roomates and CR was in med school. Does the vegetation that you refer to have anything to do with GS(not greasespot)? My brain cells are still thawing out so bear with me. I cant believe that I am having a brain fart trying to recollect who in the heck moved into my room after I went wow. Were you in my twig? Were you at the volleyball games behind my apartment right before ROA 1976? Give me today to jumpstart the grey matter and I am sure that it will come back to me.

    bluedaze

    p.s. the skit was the three little pigs, right?

    I huffed and puffed.

    May 20,1985

    in About The Way

    Posted

    simon, I will never forget when my wife called me to tell me that vpw had died. I was at a sales convention and I went to my room for the rest of the night and cried. Not exactly sure why I responded in that way. It was bittersweet.

    bluedaze

    12-step programs (AA, NA, etc.)

    in Open

    Posted

    Hey WB, have you heard of "Celebrate Recovery"? It is a tremendous program started by Rick Warren the author of "Purpose Driven Life" and it is very similar to AA except that Jesus Christ is recognized as the higher power and instead of 12 steps(which is also recognized by the group) Celebrate Recovery is centered around the eight beatitudes. It has played an instrumental part in my recovery. People with all kinds of hurts, habits, and hangups gather every week to be with others who need healing and are seeking God's direction. Accountability is strongly encouraged and it also has been very effective for me. In our group I am the only "excultist" and it would be so great if I knew someone who really understood the pain inflicted by TWI. I notice that you are in Indy. I am too. Do you have any exwayers in your group? I would love to hear how AA has helped you.

    bluesunday

    quote:
    Originally posted by waterbuffalo:

    Kit,

    Interesting you bring this up now because I just told someone about Al-Anon which does the 12 steps also.

    I go to Al-Anon and it is the ANSWER I have been looking for for all these years because it teaches HOW TO renew the mind. AA does the same.

    Yes, I noticed at the very first meeting that the HOly Spirit was indeed present. Even though the name of Jesus isn't mentioned, probably 99% of the people are Christians and say so (and I'm in a pretty strict one--it's not against the rules to say you're a Christian or that you read the Bible). It is against the rules to preach. But, doesn't change the fact that people are helped greatly and the Lord is present.

    AA was started by Christians and I don't disagree with their reasoning not to make it a Christian organization. Probably a lot of people have come to Christ through this organization because one of the steps to recovery is to call someone in the group when you need someone to talk to and almost everyone is a Christian so what are they gonna talk about?

    What else? Oh, personally I don't have a problem with the terminology used, namely Higher Power. While reading _Of Plymouth Plantation_ recently about the Pilgrim's voyage to America and their efforts to settle here, I noticed that Bradford made reference to their Higher Power more than once and apparently everyone knew who that was (not Buddah, ha).

    One point you mentioned that doesn't apply to AA or Al-Anon is "the 12-step programs probably can't get funding if they allow the use of Jesus Christ." They are actually self-supporting and probably self-propagating too! LOL. They are not allowed to accept outside funds. The basket is passed at every meeting and that's how they support themselves.

    So, to summarize, I support them and recommend them highly, especially to anyone who has ever been in The Way.

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