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    in About The Way

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    Has any one heard of this:

    Wierwille: Bishop KC Pillai Manuscript rare NR

    Unabridged/Unedited Original notes of Pillai teachings from the 1960's. Is this a manuscript that would be interesting in having?

    lawsuit

    in About The Way

    Posted

    quote:
    Originally posted by Tom Strange:

    It means we'd like to review your "redeemed time analysis" sheets. Please pass them to the front of the room.

    or... do you mean you don't know what they are?

    What do you mean "redeemed time analysis"?

    lawsuit

    in About The Way

    Posted

    Why the harsh look into my "pattern", do you work for the CIA? I am just curious to what has hapened. And yes I had to drop from posting due to a situation I can not talk about. Nothing about this site or anything, just some commitments I had to do first.

    Is the Ministry Perfect?

    in About The Way

    Posted

    quote:
    Originally posted by ckeer:

    Welcome wonder1, I hope you find what you are looking for at the caf?I know I have- myself.

    In reference to your subject as to “the ministry” being perfect, and your statement that no one is perfect. I think this why my wife and I were TOLD TO LEAVE (not by our own choice- not because we felt we were hurt by anyone). Let me explain:

    This was 1995-1996 and LCM’s new Way of Abundance and Power class had just been released. He had declared that the Word had gone over the World, and that he was going to lead the faithful in the household into the Promised Land of the Prevailing Word. He had also made references in teachings to how when Israel crossed over into the Promised Land there was not a weak kneed Israelite who crossed over. Perhaps he was pointing out how God had protected strengthened and healed all those who crossed over, but the way it was received by local leadership and the rest of the believers in Atlanta that only those who constantly and indefatigably strove to live up to the STANDARD OF THE WORD would be allowed to “Cross Over”. In summary the Ministry was Perfect and you had be prepared to become perfect too or else. (Any one else remember that mind set in TWI at that time?)

    Anyhow here was my situation: My wife, who I had met and married in the ministry in 1986-1987 (the start of the fog years) was a diabetic and she had been since she was less than two. Now in her forties she had the kinds of deterioration that comes from long term diabetes, including kidney failure and deterioration in her central nervous system. (in 1997 a CAT scan revealed that he brain had literally shrunk and had many small scars –typical for her long term diabetes) When I brought her to Twig I had to lead her in and sometimes use a wheelchair. While she sat her eyes would close and she would relax- she was awake and could repeat every word that was spoken but she was scolded for nodding off during the teachings. I worked and spent an hour in the morning and another each evening setting up her dialysis equipment. I cooked, I cleaned as much as possible, I helped her bathe, did laundry you name it. I did the best I could but frankly I was overwhelmed and either did not realize it or would not admit it to myself or anyone else.

    I could not keep the house clean enough to satisfy leadership. The bathroom needed repairs- a shower needed re-tiling so I did that. I hired people to come clean- but they did not clean well enough. Where were the rest of the household you may ask? I wonder too, wonder1 since in the past believers were always willing to help and watched out for each other, but not this time. Why wasn’t leadership spiritually aware of my wife’s physical/neurological problem? I don’t blame them but if the ministry was perfect as I believed at the time and thus its branch and limb coordinators were as close to perfect as humanly possible why did they miss it?

    On to our last Twig- the branch coordinator was a special guest. I guess you could say we were the opening act. Our twig coordinator explained to us that I was not doing all I needed to remain strong in the household- basically I could not keep up with the house. The branch coordinator asked if we wanted to stay in the ministry and we both stated emphatically YES! He then said that if we had not said that he would have told us to leave and it would have been “Katie bar the door” (did he mean we would be Mark & Avoid? - I think so). He then asked us if we were willing to do what it would take to stay. I replied I’m not sure that it was possible and planned on explaining why since my wife and I were already doing all we could. (As you said wonder1 nobody’s perfect and we were about as perfect as we could be at the time- it just wasn’t perfect enough). I did not get the chance to say anything, he just told us to leave.

    From then on my Wife and I staid away from believers and ex believers living in our own little world believing that the ministry was perfect, and we weren’t. We believed it wasn’t anyone’s fault but our own. When my wife died in December of 2000, we knew nothing of LCM’s adultery and his stepping down. We did not know then as I do now that a wonderful nurse who knew us from the ministry did not make herself know to us because she thought we were still “innies” since she had left before we were kicked out.

    This post is longer and more involved than I had intended but I needed to say it all now for myself, Wonder1- Its one of the great things about GSC, it is a place to vent.

    Let me get to my point- At the time I left I believed and I also believe that the collective thinking within the ministry was that it was perfect and getting even more perfect therefore my wife and I were not perfect (enough) to be allowed to stay. I did not then nor I do I today blame those who were involved with us when we left. My conclusion is that the quest for perfection in the ministry magnified its imperfection and the imperfection of its leaders..

    However this belief in the ministries perfection left me in an exquisitely painful limbo until mid 2003 when I began to look around on the internet to see what was going on with TWI since I yearned to go back but feared the possible pain of being kicked out again more than the hollow ache of being alone. Now I know that the ministry was not perfect and its leaders weren’t either. I am beginning to move on.

    I hope GSC and its regulars help you with your growth and healing (if you needed it) also.

    What happened in your situation was tragic indeed! How could anyone turn their back and life on someone in need? People can sometimes be our nightmares and the tragic thing is that those people were not held accountable!

    What is the real purpose of this website?

    in About The Way

    Posted

    What is the real purpose of this website? All I see is bashing, slamming and cut downs. If this ministry was really that bad why continue to talk about it. I know if I had a bad experience with a group (which I have) I might talk about for a little bit, but then its history! Why the constant talk??

    Is the Ministry Perfect?

    in About The Way

    Posted

    I have heard a lot of great things since I was affiliated with that group. I have heard people say things that were wrong, and yes sometimes their EGO's were bigger than their problems. But I have always confronted people face to face If I thought they were wrong. I never let people walk all over me.

    Is the Ministry Perfect?

    in About The Way

    Posted

    quote:
    Originally posted by WordWolf:

    Hello.

    Any organization is composed of members. Thus, any action taken is taken by

    members. Technically speaking, everybody who's ever been hurt in history has

    been hurt by a person or people.

    When you find that a group is hurting people, or demonstratably wrong, there

    are three possibilities that I can see.

    A) ignore it or bury the evidence. I can't do that.

    B) correct the group and fix the problem.

    twi demonstrated they did not WANT to change.

    C) leave and try to keep people you care about from being hurt.

    When people attempted to fix things, they were fired and/or kicked out, and

    vicious rumours were spread around them.

    (Take a look at the Greasespot Cafe's main page, and check out the various

    documents and editorials.)

    That leaves an exit as the remaining option, for those of us unable or

    unwilling to ignore harm. For those of us who care more about people, or

    more about truth than we do about an organization supposedly dedicated to

    both, the choice was/is clear.

    Is the Ministry Perfect?

    in About The Way

    Posted

    I have seen that people who want nothing to do with the ministry were hurt in some way by a PERSON. A person who is no different than you or I. We get hurt all the time from people but I would bet that if some one hurt you at work you would not quit, or if someone in your family hurt you I bet you would not divorce them. People are just that people who often times mess up, no one is perfect!!!

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