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( Rhetorical question of course )

When he came to our AC in Australia he was more intent on chasing after one of the woman hahaha

B.U.B. bless you bye ( but I guess that won't work coz most of us ain't going anywhere )

I DO know a cupla years back in New Zealand, one of their 'top' emissaries was viciously beaten and then murdered. I did wonder at the time why when all they do is 'good' and 'preach peace and toleration' that this guy met with such a horrible end, i mean with all the 'ying yang thingy' and 'karma' that they believe in, it really seemed to suck ?

and of course feel free to pm me anytime & I'll give you the 'heads-up' on all them who you seem to have warm fuzzy memories about. Any gaps I leave out I'm sure Twinky can fill in nicely

oh & btw Galen...that Oirish meathead mi@#al Ad*^s, only an idiot would even entertain the idea of letting that jerk control/guide/suggest/ ones life ( be it physical oOR spiritual )

Guess you realize I/we don't have any time for him or his mock men of God

Galen said "As some of you know, we have been attending a twig again for the past couple years. Interestingly our Twig Coordinator was telling us last week that during the week he had been listening to Dr. VPW's last teaching."

All I can say man is ...I thought you were smarter than that I know the Kiwis and Aussies you know and associate with on facebook. I wish you could see them in the original

And yet, Paul M threatened to personally throw me off the top floor of Indiana Campus if I opened my mouth,when I told him my wife I & kids were leaving because of the adultery we saw going on at the campus !! can't say i love him for that

haha, well said H, er, Twinky After we left twi N.Z. the 'painted pictures' started to fly ! we had a 'coconut' marriage, I was being 'led' by my wife, we were alcoholics ( apparently lcm brought in the 2 drink limit SPECIFICALLY because of us ) well..that made me feel real speeeshul of course the rest of my family members that were still in twi knew it was all outright lies, so they walked

Took me awhile to believe that not everyone that came from Oireland was a category 'a' nutcase !

Yup, we REMOVED the goal posts and took 'em with us ! God Bless twinks

Seems to me one of the more frustrating/ludicrous/insidious actions of twi leadershi* was 'changing the lines' or 'rules' depending on their mood or thinking for the week.

An example of this was a teaching ( can't remember by whom ) in a way mag entitled 'Philemon 21' and it was about doing 'more' than what was asked of one. Then one day I hear lcm screaming about how it was 'wrong' and 'disobedient' to do more than what one has been asked to do. wtf, that was a warning sign to me that they were becoming one screwed up piece of work

I like that Roy, that was cool :) other replies pretty good too. I'm a bit like Roy on this one... At times God works behind the scenes to help us be the best we can be,( a bit like Dad or Mom helping us to learn to ride a bike first time round ) at other times he's a bit more 'in your face' ( but in a nicer way than twi jerks ) :) God is all powerful, but doesn't hold all the power.

Heya brainfixed, I'm hearin' ya ! actually, impeccable timing, because I was just remembering how one of twi's mind 'warping' seed planting 'ideologies' was their belief that Christian apologetics made for a weak christian. I know Dr. Vic started this bowl of wax when he said

" Christian apologetics is where one learns to apologize for being a Christian ".

Now...certainly some aspects of Christian apologetics does lean towards that mindset,BUT...what was implied by Dr. Vic' statement was that 'we' were to never apologize for anything, because that would show weakness and open up questions as to what else 'we' could have done/said wrong !!!

This I found to be responsible for turning some people overnight into instant ar#@hole&.

Even when some leadership I and others knew were being seriously sexually deviant and were confronted about it, despite the FACTS being GLARINGLY OBVIOUS...still wouldn't admit they were wrong

thanks for letting me rant.

hahaha, kind of reminds me of the time the New Zealand 'country' co-ord. had his minions come round to build a fence for his house; he sat in the shade with his right hand boy sipping lemonade and giving instructions to them toiling in the heat. mind you, he HAS had a bad back for the last 20 years...HELLO...do you believe in healing you sorry excuse for a 'Christian''Believer' .. or is it only everyone elses lack of spiritual maturity that prohibits your healing ? No wonder Ireland became a lot more peaceful and prosperous place once he left..hahaha

I dunno about looking 'butch', i think a number of women in twi just didn't/ don't know how to dress normally ? womanly ? oh hell, you know what i mean...

well golly gosh, when I saw they had put mic@#l adam* in charge of outreach co-ord. international...I knew there was a better chance of a virgin ending up running twi than twi becoming 'softer & gentler'

thanks, but sad, i enjoyed his teaching, but then, i s'pose he doesn't have to be paid to teach does he :blink:

Hi Skyrider :) just interested to know who the 2 cff staff were, layed off ?

Thanx for all the comments, but i don't recall mentioning my trying to 'convert' other Christians ? I don't even try to have 'in-depth communication' with them concerning doctrine ( unless they bring it up, I can't even be bothered) I don't think I even said I kept ALL twi doctrine. Can I not simply be someone who left twi but still enjoys aspects of what I learn't ? or do I have to be a twi AND it's doctrine hater to be accepted here ?? I'm confused.

Twinky winky, luv ya sis, but please bear in mind (some) of us left twi the organization, not necessarily the Word fostered by twi. Me personally, I love most if not all my fellow Christians, but I CRINGE when I hear them saying things like God 'took' so & so home to heaven, or you must be water baptized to be truly saved, or you must keep working to keep your salvation, or you've only been given one of the gifts of the spirit etc.. you know what I mean ??!! Do you think I can persuade them from their baptist think or their catholic speak ? no way nellie. !

well I don't believe in the deity of Jesus BUT I do believe in the cultlike creepiness of twi !

As I said earlier in the 'horror stories about leaving' thread...going in-rez & seeing with our own eyes the partner swapping, covering up of same by leadership...creepy comments by mosq**a such as " I'm so priveleged to be able to sleep with my wife" etc... really good people with great hearts for God being trashed & the 'ars**oles' in-rez getting special treatment because so-called men & women in 'higher powers'could see their'potential' !! wtf..special insight ??!! beautiful families kicked out of campus because one of their kiddies had an illness & yet another couple allowed to stay even though hubby could only sit around all day because of breathing problems, for just about a whole year...pays to have connections eh ?!

What woke us up ? THE SHEER HYPOCRISY OF THE WHOLE OUTFIT RIGHT ROUND THE GLOBE FROM NEW KNOXVILLE TO NEW ZEALAND, THE UNASHAMED MEANESS AND LOVE OF MONEY AND COVETING AND LUST OF THEIR EYES FROM THEM AT THE TOP OF THE TOTEM POLE DOWN TO THE BOTTOM FEEDER MINIMOGS LICKING AT THEIR FEET BELOW

Geesh...' " you described just about every limb leader ?!" you also described my former country co-ord. & his mini-me (aka my bro-in-law ) how uncanny..not :)

I hear what you're saying Eagle & Chockful. I had a couple of their goons arrive on my doorstep one day.'Apparently' I (yes...I) had been 'harassing' them by warning some of my old aquaintances still in twi about their corrupt practices. One of the goons is a known karate kid, the other my bro-in-law. Anyways, they assaulted me on my doorstep, however, unbeknownst(sp ?)to me, one of my daughters ( aged 8 at the time ) had already called the cops and they were there pretty quickly. The guys received a 'no trespassing' notice and I found out later meehell ad**s had instructed anyone approached by me was to immediately start screaming out 'Rapist' Tis a fine line between twi & insanity I tell ya !!

It was actually Mosqueda who said it to me.(throwing out the window ) He was pis**d because he had arranged with h.q. for our 2nd year in-rez to be on a scholarship basis ( so I guess we couldn't have been all that bad) But, you know, seeing partner swapping going on and in one instance a woman complaining about it to campus co-ord. then being threatened with being kicked off campus, if she didn't shut up...yeah..God just prompted us, time to move on.

JYD got involved because Meehell Ada*s was concerned we would slip out of campus and become illegal aliens (which did kinda appeal to us at the time.)

Well, when I told the Mosquedas & Georges, myself & my family were 'checking out' of Indiana Campus, I was threatened with being thrown out of the campus third floor window if I opened my mouth to anyone as to 'why' we were leaving.I guess that could have been a horrible start to my departure btw...J Y Del..got on the phone & said twi would pay our airfares back to N.Z. if...you guessed it...we kept quiet about things going on