jimdoop

Since it's my birthday, i would like to make a brief note. I turned 68 today, the same age as Victor, when he passed away. When i made my stand against him, when he went back on his word and changed what he had taught me and many others, that was when the love and grace, went out of his minestry, and he set himself, as the MAN OF GOD, and stopped giving other men of God, thier contrabusion to his spirtiual development. I saw this comming in 1969, but until i heard his plan of how he was going to take over the states rights, 1971, of all the fellowships,and he was going to controll all all of the states and thier MONEY. That is, was, and always will be the rout of ALL eveil. I was receiveing, more money into THE WAY WEST then he was at headquters. The agreement was that I " THE WAY WEST " would send H.Q.15 % each month, for aubuant shearing each month. Which I did every month. I did that. I keeped my word.I had spent 15 years in the real wrold, and had learned enough to know that people lie, cheat, and steal. Victor was so sincear, that I gave him a chance to prove himself. I believe that is what most of us did. As things worked out, he failed. His word wasn't any good. He taught one thing and did anouther. All of are hearts have been broken, however not by God. His word is always faithful. His Word is always truth. His promises work just as great today as it has always had for getting the rent or house payment paid. Please all of you keep your brain and heart on Gods word. He loves us and will always bring us to victory. Filled with the power of the HOLY SPIRIT. we THE BELIVERS, have been given such enormouse power in this age of DARKNESS. Be prepared.LOVE GOD AND YOUR FAMILY OF GOD.

Thanks for putting up with me, and I hope you heard my message. We cannot exspeck any help from other then from GOD. If you know of anything better, please contack me, .. @ jddpp@yahoo.com

Serving Him Jimmy Doop. 2005/ Stepember 8th

Beloved

My heart and life go strongly out to you.

I have just read through your thread( i think thats what you call it)On a false Prophet. Why don't a number of you go to the Word and see what it has to say about the subject,and then we don't have to guess. You all do know how to reasearch.... YES?

This Question is very complex. I have spent alot of thought on it. One night I spent the whole night, continplanting on Vick and everything I had been through with him. I tossed and turned all night, until, I finally driffted off for awaile. I maybe sleep for 2 hours at the most and all night long i just kept talking to the father, about who was Victor Whierwille? Suddenlty, I awoke from my rest, and I was breathing hard, like i Had just run a mile or 2 out on old wierwille road. I will never forget what happen. I had never sat up in bed more quickly, and I said to Judy. I was trying to catch my breathing, as I shoock her and I bluddered out of my mouth

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I think when we start wilfully opening our mouth and presuming to speak for God, that's when trouble begins.

This, from Evan, is another gold-star Greasespot Gem.

While I still believe that every believer has the gift of holy spirit, I firmly believe that WHEN and HOW God wants us to prophesy or pray/believe for a miracle or minister healing is for GOD to say, not us. For it is GOD at work within us to will and to do of HIS good pleasure.

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Originally posted by jimdoop:

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Originally posted by Clearwater:

I agree that true prophecy or a personal prophecy should be right 100% of the time if it from the true God. What I don't understand is how anyone can say that it doesn't have to be right 100% of the time or anyone can say anything and if they are wrong so what. This goes back to no accountability.

Maybe one of the people at CES, Jeff USAF RET or anyone else who I see in the cafe on occassion connected with CES can answer the question about why CES thinks the scriptures allow for a prophectic council. And doesn't a prophetic council isolate one from personal responsibility for a prophecy that is wrong?

The term prophetic council makes a person think that a bunch of people sit around and discuss another/different prophecy and determine its merits. If this is the practice, where is it in the scriptures? Where is there an example in the scripture where this practice happened?

Did not all of the Old Testament prophets take action when told by God and there wasn't any prophectic council. The "council" was from God and what God said happened. What scriptures does the Way or CES use to allow for the practice of having a prophetic council? Where is the accountability???

I think I have the answer. I believe if you make one prophecy that does not come to pass you are not a prophet and fall into the category of being false prophet. If this is not the case, how would anyone ever know what prophecy is from God and what is not? If you have a different viewpoint on this please join the discussion.

You are right on Jimmy D

Thank you are right on. It has to be right on all the time, everytime and where in the Word have you heard of a council? Give me a brake. This can of crap can only be used on the young and stuped In the Word. Anyone who has spent anytime reading all of the Bible, will never see those words come up. It's a fraud, fonney, fake attempt to take advanage of the spirituly weak. love jimmy

Boes someone really walk around with a name tag proclaming to be the profit? I can believe it, if someone will conferm it. I think someone is trying to make a joke, which I find to be ver funny. If it is true, its very sad. Please let me know who is doing this. jdoop

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Originally posted by jimdoop:

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Originally posted by Clearwater:

I agree that true prophecy or a personal prophecy should be right 100% of the time if it from the true God. What I don't understand is how anyone can say that it doesn't have to be right 100% of the time or anyone can say anything and if they are wrong so what. This goes back to no accountability.

Maybe one of the people at CES, Jeff USAF RET or anyone else who I see in the cafe on occassion connected with CES can answer the question about why CES thinks the scriptures allow for a prophectic council. And doesn't a prophetic council isolate one from personal responsibility for a prophecy that is wrong?

The term prophetic council makes a person think that a bunch of people sit around and discuss another/different prophecy and determine its merits. If this is the practice, where is it in the scriptures? Where is there an example in the scripture where this practice happened?

Did not all of the Old Testament prophets take action when told by God and there wasn't any prophectic council. The "council" was from God and what God said happened. What scriptures does the Way or CES use to allow for the practice of having a prophetic council? Where is the accountability???

I think I have the answer. I believe if you make one prophecy that does not come to pass you are not a prophet and fall into the category of being false prophet. If this is not the case, how would anyone ever know what prophecy is from God and what is not? If you have a different viewpoint on this please join the discussion.

You are right on Jimmy D

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Originally posted by Clearwater:

I agree that true prophecy or a personal prophecy should be right 100% of the time if it from the true God. What I don't understand is how anyone can say that it doesn't have to be right 100% of the time or anyone can say anything and if they are wrong so what. This goes back to no accountability.

Maybe one of the people at CES, Jeff USAF RET or anyone else who I see in the cafe on occassion connected with CES can answer the question about why CES thinks the scriptures allow for a prophectic council. And doesn't a prophetic council isolate one from personal responsibility for a prophecy that is wrong?

The term prophetic council makes a person think that a bunch of people sit around and discuss another/different prophecy and determine its merits. If this is the practice, where is it in the scriptures? Where is there an example in the scripture where this practice happened?

Did not all of the Old Testament prophets take action when told by God and there wasn't any prophectic council. The "council" was from God and what God said happened. What scriptures does the Way or CES use to allow for the practice of having a prophetic council? Where is the accountability???

I think I have the answer. I believe if you make one prophecy that does not come to pass you are not a prophet and fall into the category of being false prophet. If this is not the case, how would anyone ever know what prophecy is from God and what is not? If you have a different viewpoint on this please join the discussion.

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Originally posted by Galen:

Hammeroni:

I think that anyone who walks around with a name-tag proclaiming that they are thee prophet of a ministry, so just a little too self-important. I would probably not last too long in such a fellowship.

My understanding was that we can ALL prophecy [assuming that we are all in-fellowship and that we each beleive to]. Obviously now since I have spent time here on GreaseSpot Cafe, I have come to realize that many were 'prophecying' knowingly falsehoods. After having read so many confessions of people who faked what they did. It never really occured to me that anyone would do that.

We can see where anyone of us can be tricked, so many beleivers and yet so many differing opinions of how to worship. Presuming that there is a single method which is better, than obviously all other methods must be somewhat less than best. With so many opposing doctrines, there must be churches out there teaching completely wrong stuff. If their leaders truly beleive what they teach [which assumes that they are not 'faking' their ministrys, like so many previous leaders in TWI did], then when they do prophecy some of it MUST be wrong.

I had assumed [yes I know what assuming does] that this passage was talking about any fellowship, where 2 or 3 stand to give words of either prophecy or interpretation. That everyone else is to listen and judge.

If you find 'fault' then quitely afterwards and politely speaking at length with the 'prophet', to see if the issue can be resolved.

Obviously interupting any service, whether in my home, or at a big hall, would not be decent and orderly. If this came from the leader of a big ministry, then I would presume that you've heard the guy speak before you came to this one meeting. If you think his doctrine is off, have you spoken with him about it? Have you spoken with others? Why are you still supporting him then?

"Obviously there are more than five prophets present- three speak, "others" judge. Not impossible I suppose, but to me it would be out of the ordinary to have five prophets running amok in a little local fellowship somewhere.."

Again, are not we all each one of us, a prophet, or a pastor, or a healer, or a recruiter, or a teacher? Even if we are not currently energizing our personal ministry, we still have some type of ministry.

"Plus- I've been thinking about some of the instructions we got about prophecy. Here its not "if any man should speak" like with tongues and interpretation- here they are specifically named, "prophets"."

No doubt you've been in fellowships wherein one person was really good at prayer for your healing. Did you hang a sign around their neck? Likely not. So you did not proclaim them to be a 'healer'. But if someone was in need, who did you send them to? Obviously the person whom you knew to have a long-suit at healing. The 'healer'.

Ever have a grease-monkey in your fellowship who had really terrible social-skills, but that his prophecys were just wonderful? He had a great heart to help everyone and just kept wanting to give to others? Did anyone write 'prophet' on his name-tag? I doubt it. [actually I was just describing a guy we once had in our twig, he lives in Detroit now].

"I remember ole doc's instructions, that this is "the best guidance" we have for operation of "the regular" manifestation of prophecy- I kind of question this now though."

Really you dont see it?

your great you know that right?

I really like where your comming from. I believe I have a pretty good understanding of all of this prophece business. What is the The profit in the manifestation of speaking in tongues and prophecy Is to edify comfort and joy.

Long before I met vp I or we the acts had people comming aroung giving personal prophece and everytime I got that felling in my gut, that said WATCH OUT. When I heard the teaching about personal prophece, and how someonelce, was going to get revalation about your life, before God had given it to you. I said right on and amen and amen God will tell you to do something and it might be confermed by some other means. I have had this happend to me many times and when this happens it is so right on. It feels right, but forget the feelings, If you make the right choice, the doors just open up wide for you. And you do not have to waite. Once you make that commitement, it happens right now.

Love you al Jimmy doop

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Originally posted by Galen:

Hammeroni:

I think that anyone who walks around with a name-tag proclaiming that they are thee prophet of a ministry, so just a little too self-important. I would probably not last too long in such a fellowship.

jdoop @myway. com

My understanding was that we can ALL prophecy [assuming that we are all in-fellowship and that we each beleive to]. Obviously now since I have spent time here on GreaseSpot Cafe, I have come to realize that many were 'prophecying' knowingly falsehoods. After having read so many confessions of people who faked what they did. It never really occured to me that anyone would do that.

We can see where anyone of us can be tricked, so many beleivers and yet so many differing opinions of how to worship. Presuming that there is a single method which is better, than obviously all other methods must be somewhat less than best. With so many opposing doctrines, there must be churches out there teaching completely wrong stuff. If their leaders truly beleive what they teach [which assumes that they are not 'faking' their ministrys, like so many previous leaders in TWI did], then when they do prophecy some of it MUST be wrong.

I had assumed [yes I know what assuming does] that this passage was talking about any fellowship, where 2 or 3 stand to give words of either prophecy or interpretation. That everyone else is to listen and judge.

If you find 'fault' then quitely afterwards and politely speaking at length with the 'prophet', to see if the issue can be resolved.

Obviously interupting any service, whether in my home, or at a big hall, would not be decent and orderly. If this came from the leader of a big ministry, then I would presume that you've heard the guy speak before you came to this one meeting. If you think his doctrine is off, have you spoken with him about it? Have you spoken with others? Why are you still supporting him then?

"Obviously there are more than five prophets present- three speak, "others" judge. Not impossible I suppose, but to me it would be out of the ordinary to have five prophets running amok in a little local fellowship somewhere.."

Again, are not we all each one of us, a prophet, or a pastor, or a healer, or a recruiter, or a teacher? Even if we are not currently energizing our personal ministry, we still have some type of ministry.

"Plus- I've been thinking about some of the instructions we got about prophecy. Here its not "if any man should speak" like with tongues and interpretation- here they are specifically named, "prophets"."

No doubt you've been in fellowships wherein one person was really good at prayer for your healing. Did you hang a sign around their neck? Likely not. So you did not proclaim them to be a 'healer'. But if someone was in need, who did you send them to? Obviously the person whom you knew to have a long-suit at healing. The 'healer'.

Ever have a grease-monkey in your fellowship who had really terrible social-skills, but that his prophecys were just wonderful? He had a great heart to help everyone and just kept wanting to give to others? Did anyone write 'prophet' on his name-tag? I doubt it. [actually I was just describing a guy we once had in our twig, he lives in Detroit now].

"I remember ole doc's instructions, that this is "the best guidance" we have for operation of "the regular" manifestation of prophecy- I kind of question this now though."

Really you dont see it?

your great you know that right?

:-)

Postaholic

Yes you may call it like is, you have to make that spirtial judgement. My experience with ces I believe IObserved a work that was headed toward spirtial corruption. What I mean by that Is they are under the law, they do not rightly didvide the word of God. They are putting thier followers back under the law. I believe that they have broken a Man of God, John Lynn. The years of service he gave to the work of God can not be questioned. I know that many people have had problems with him, even as I. But It's not an easy job standing up in front of people teaching The Word and not making many misstakes, I did and we all do. Were just trying to do the best job we can because we the Lord so much and we are just trying to share are Love for Him.

I shant go on any longer about him jal, because I could go on for days. Again I say Ces is a counterfet. And thier leadership are courrup and I predict they will go the way of other loosers.

I am still here. And I thank all of you for your very kind words. You have no idea how much they mean to me. I look forward to getting to know you better. As I have said I spent 5 years putting down my perpective of my years from 1966 to 1988. I believe the book will anwser a lot of questions and I don't white wash anything. I tell it like it was. I don't always name names to protect them, but the main chacters are all there. I believe it will be very healing to many and I have been told that its a fun read ect.. As I have always said The people I have loved the most in the whole world, are the saints. People who can laugh at themselves and a good joke. and if they can't? You know the rest.

Love to you in the Lord Christ Jesus and all Glory to His Name forever and ever.

Jimmy Doop

Steve Heefner and myself and a couple of other men thatwere out of our work in the Haught Ashbeary and were leaders in twi, went to a meeting of ces, out of our love for jal. They got into the prophecy part of the program and they single out one of our party, and what I heard the barbra strizan (B.S.) laid on my friend was laughfable. He knew who he was in Christ and his minestry. I got that sigh, that God has alwas given me for 40 years, when a counterfet is near me. Believe me I have had that manifestation many times through the years. Long before I met vic. I left my friends and made a dash for the door, while jals sister was yelling stop that man. No one tryed I would have decked them. I knew at that moment, that the devil had taken over that orgination. John John and mark or whatever thier are names that stoled jals work. That whole top brass of ces is courrup. They forgot to rightly divide (r/d) the word. What happens when you forget to r/d the word? You move from Grace to the law, so did v.p. Thats when my heart broke. When he broke his word to me. When he changed the palf class.

Sorry thats all I can do now, but believe me there is much more, but I find myself sad now. Love every one of you.

Serving Him jim

P.S. As far die spiritualy. You have no idea how many times I was told that I was going to die. Vic once told me that "if I kept going the way I was going, someone was going to put a bulet in my head" He and I were having a little fight over states rights. Well I am still here.

He isn't.jdoop

Hi Dear Ones.

Lifes a bitch. So lets bitch. From what I read and perceve from most of your comments, it seems ,that most of you all have made it through most of the bull ..... I have written a book about my experences, from the mid 60es, to the late 80es. I write about the beginning of the eara of LSD and leading up to the summer of love in San Francisco,1967. Knowing "The Grateful Dead" "The Airplane" and the only "Janis Jolpin". The house of Acts a christain community. The beginning of The Jesus movment and the first time I met V. P. Wierwille.

I am not trying to be the great guru gahunga, but I was there in the beginning of the exspansion of Vicks work. I am also not hawking my book, because it isn't published, but it is completed.

I disided to write my account after 1987, when everything began to fall apart and I saw all of these broken hearts dropping like flys away from twi. The # one reason was to tell people that thier was a life after a cult, and I think most of you have figured that out by now. #2 To leave the most accurte acount of what happened during that time. Many things have been written about the House of Acts and the whole Jesus movement, but I have never thought that anyone really caught the heart of the whole movement. You must remember that the Jesus movement was not just the TWI, but a whole bunch of groups ie cults. and #3 To help ones who are falling into the trap of a cult. I think if you ever have a chance to read my book a lot of questions will be anwsered and a lot of healing will take place.

You see nothing is more inportant then our relationship with God and His Son, our Lord and Savaor

Christ Jesus. I saw someones note in the above portion, that leaders were holding things back from the new believers. Yes I am guilty of this, and all I can say is, from my veiwpoint, I didn't want to scare off someone, but to nurtcher one in the word, to the point, that nothing would sachk :wave: them from the foundation of and the greatness and the Power of Gods Word.

1 Cor.13:11 Gal5:1 Eph.6:10-19 I love you all and don't ever forget it.

jimmy doop

DEAR DWEET BROTHER in Christ.

Oh how life goes on. I can'do as good job has our Lord, but I am a close second, ok , would you believe in a third place finished? How about showing up evene if it's a few days late. You know how much I love you. You have always been there for me, like gettin a prayer chain that went around, when the Dr,s, said I was not going to live, and called in my family from accross the country,but to alls amaozement, Icame back, from deaths door, to be apart of the hummend race.I know, that the prayers that you generaded along with others, gave back my life. I am still working on why. In many respect

I wanted to so much to be with my Lord, so thier must be something else I must do. John; that to do right now seemes to be the sweet sixteen. I have no idea who you are cheering for, but I would like for you to keep tour AZ.U.

They may take it all the way. Now you and I go all the way back to the 60's betting on our favorit teems and over the years as I recall I WON and you Lost most of our bets

WHO DO YOU PICK? Its time to suck it up by the bootstraps. COME ON BIG BOY. who ARE YOU GOING TO PUT YOUR MONEY ON.

i LOVE YOU. YOU CAN SEND @ EMAIL JDOOP@ MYWAY.COM OR 520 731 8263. i' AM HERE WITH YOU.

tHERE IS AN OLD GREEK SAYING, THAT SAYS ". bE GRAYSIOUS,BUT DON'T LET THEM RUB YOUR NOISE IN IT" hOPE TO HEAR FROM YOU

Hi you all. FirSt of all Let me tell you. I say that because we are all here for one reason, that one common deanmanater. I don't have to say it, because we all know what thaT IS. twi. 1972 5 YEARS FROM MY 40THS BIRTHDAY. i HAD THREE KIDS. i HAD GIVEN THE PREVIOUS YEARS TO PROPAGATING THE MINESTRY OF V.P.WEREWILLE. i WAS INDENPENT OF THE WIN. v.P. HAD NO LEGAL AUTHOIRTY OVER MY MINESTRY. hE SET IT UP THIS WAY. tHIS IS WHAT HE TAUGHT IN PALF CLASS. eACH MINESTRY WAS TO BE INDEPEND OF THE TWI. i DON'T WANT TO GO INTO A LOT OF STORIES TONIGHT, AND I HAVE PLENNTYL tHE MOST IMPORTANT THING i CAN SAY, IS OUR LORD, AND GODS WORD IS SO MUCH BIGGER THEN ALL OF THE DILOGE THAT WE MAY ALL BE FEALING. I DO THINK IT IS PART OF THE HEALING PROSSES, TO VERBLIZE OUR FEELINGS, EMOTIONS. LAY THEM OUT ON THE TABLE. wHEREEVER WE ARE IN THIS OF GETTING OUR LIFES BACK.IT iS A REALLITY. tHIS IS NOT A GAME, WE ALL WENT THROUGH A VERE EMOTIONAL, SPIRITUAL, LIFE TIME COMMENTMENT. SOMETHING THAT NONE OF US HAD EVER EXPERIENCED, BEFORE. oH, WE MAY HAVE OUR PLEDGE TO THE GIRL SCOUTS OR THE BOY SCOUTS, OR ANY OTHER ORG. tHAT THE DEPTH OF WHAT WE HAD COMMITED TO. oUR COMMENTMENT TO THE WORD, WAS A VERY DIFFENT PROMISE, SOMETHING WE HAD NEVER PLEAGED BEFORE IN OUR LIFETIME. wE MADE A COMMENTMENT, TO THE WORD OF GOD, NOT TO A MAN OR A BODY OF MEN. oUR PROMISE iS,AND ALWALSE HAS BEEN TO OUR LORD AND OUR LOVE TO HIM, THE, KING OF KINGS, THE LORD OF ALL, PRAISE HIS HOLLY NAME, AND KNOW THAT HE IS IN CHARGE, SO WAKE UP MY BROTHERS AND MY PREASIONS SISTER. tHE lORD IS AS MUCH ALIVE TODAY AS THE FIRST DAY HE CAME INTO YOUR LIFE. rejoice, I SAY REJOICE REJOICE, THE LORD HAS RIESEN, REJOICE, REJOICE. wITHOUT THE RESERECTION, THIER WOULD BE NO CHIRISTANY, FOR IT'S OUR BELIEFE THAT GOD RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD. WITHOUT THE BELIEFF OF THE BELIEVING OF THE RESERRECTION, ONE CAN'T BE SAVED, AND IS DOOMED TO A LIFE IN HELL. THIS IS MY POSITVIE EASTER MESSAGE. WHICH IS EITHER GET YOUR LIFE IN ORDER WITH GOD OR LIVE YOUR LIFE IN THE PIT OR DO YOU HAVE THE COURAGE TO BRING YOURSELF TO A HIGHER PLAN. PLEASE BRING IT ON.

jIMMY DOOP

EMAILJDOOP@MYWAY.COM, i HAVE MORE SO MUCH MORE.