greg

I apologize for the grammar in my posting, I am not a English major I am just a working stiff. P.S. I am not trying to be sarcastic [This message was edited by greg on February 28, 2004 at 1:47.]

This is a response to several postings in reference to VP stating that if a person left the ministry that Satan would kill them, first of all nothing would surprise me nowadays ,but even if it had been said I think it's not uncommon that most large groups believe that their group is the only group that is correct I know for fact that the Jehovah's Witnesses believe that also, this does not make it correct but nonetheless it is so, as far as Satan goes he would like to kill us all in the ministry or out of the ministry, and some of us well know there have been individuals who were very active in the ministry even levels of leadership that had horrible things happen to them while they were still part of the ministry health issues, death and accidents, our lives as born-again believers and that quality of life we live is based on how well we walk that word in our life, at 1 time I also believed that everyone outside of the ministry was also outside of God's protection, I no longer believe that I believe a man or woman born-again no matter where they are in this world if they live that word of God in their life has got protection and blessings, as long as they are born-again of God and as long as they apply the principles that God set forth for us to live in our lives therefore allowing us to have a prosperous life , I think at one time due to a certain forms of corruption ,I believe money being one of them followed by fear of losing that money that many things were said to keep anyone from leaving because if someone were to leave they took there money also, again I do not believe this was the original heart of the ministry once again, we are dealing with mankind let us not forget King Solemn and how he changed later on in his life, also the one thing I really thank the ministry for in power for abundant living is that they taught me how to work and understand the Bible for myself therefore giving me the power to know when a man spoke for God or when he did not it's up to us to use that power.

wordwolf. I am not calling anyone a liar, I was just speaking of my personal experiences butin light of the date 1981 I'm sure there are things that could have been happening without my knowledge due to the fact I was newly involved at that time and I guess there has been phases of corruption in the ministry over the years, but I think my main point is that the original class material originally put together by Dr. and the heart behind it was honest at least to the best of his ability at that time, and I think that for me a former atheist, that class brought me to God and his word and to this day although I do not fellowship with the ministry I still love God and his word, not insinuate that others do not P.S my post was originally in response to IMF77 not Mandii, what I have read from her post, does not surprise me very much as I look back over the years I would say it there had been long term corruption in the ministry even with Dr. I just don't know when it started but I do not believe it was in the beginning of the ministry. [This message was edited by greg on February 27, 2004 at 10:15.]

As for the reference to the witchcraft spoken about, first of all we all have to remember that as large as the group had gotten that some fellowships in some areas were so isolated that it sometimes other groups or even leaderships of those groups were unaware of individual groups or individuals ,individual practices, I personally know of things that individuals said, and backed it up by saying they were taught this, but were never taught these things in any teachings I know of from the ministry, I was never taught to pray for evil to come to anyone, I will admit to comment that Donna made about the young lady dying on the airplane was definitely wrong but by that time the Martindail's were already gone in their minds, trying to cover their behind

HELO IMF777 I do not known your background with the ministry, but for myself I know that the CLASS saved my life, and I know it did the same for others, as for myself it was the plain truth that was taught that kept me around the years that I did stay, far as V.P, I believe that he did the best he had available to him, he also said on several occasions that with more research Pass teachings could be changed, also far as part of the foundation class being Vauge, these truths or expound upon in the advanced class, by the way when I speak of the CLASS I am referring to classes before Craig's classes. But nevertheless to each his own, although after having been taught certain things I would say it's pretty evident that the Bible definitely backs up negative and positive believing