Gillian Rules

Still keeping Hayley in my prayers.................

"North Atlantic

Scott & Kim Bodolosk*—NY

John & Jennifer Chel*r—NJ"

Will they ever get that a$$ h0L out of NJ. Wonder what happened to K & M Carter? Maybe she hit it big in the Grand Ole Opery

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"The other comment on the taped announcement by John was that it was NOT annouced at the Fellowship meeting on sunday at CFF---his comments were cleverly edited in later in the sound room---why was that?"

WTF?

I cant speak to what dancer is saying--I am afraid I missed that one as well--- However the announcement of the seperation for the Tampa Fellowship was not made at the Sunday Morning fellowship with the ususal annoucments, it was recorded later and edited in to the message with all the others giving the apprerance that it was done with the other announcements. I find that disturbing since that really should be done properly. I imagine that JS probably worried long and hard about his decision to do this espcially since several of the BOT may not be on board with this, but with the letters and the tape announcement CFFM has definitly shifted the policy from loose association to exclusive.

Tom I know that you said that your group was confused by the BLENDING of teachings that were going on and perhaps the leader of the fellowship did not explain to you that he was a independant fellowship as most of the fellowships are independant. CFFM has really only been there to offer teaching tapes and support materials and not really a part of the day to day operation of the fellowhships or offer support, unless you are a favorite of them---LOL. In fact just trying to get answers to scriptual problems and advise is almost impossible. I can not tell you the amount of unanswered emails and phone calls that I have. So you learn very quickly to handle things for yourself and let GOD tell the best course of action. In our fellowship we have housed many ministers from many other fellowships and when a minister friend of mine came in from Seattle we had to rent the auditorium because we had over 1500 people show up!!! None of that ever got reported to CFF becuase we are indepeindant and eveyone in our fellowship knows that.

I believe that you seperated and started your own associated fellowship with CFF and that is as it should be. The rest of us kinda got a slap in the face and a real WTF? :blink:

Heartman, perhaps it's time to give it up! You are not making any sense.............Have a great weekend and get your rest. Honestly some of what you are saying makes NO sense.

CFF? John L? From hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit at thee... from Herman Melville... a thief and liar no different from BOT. I watched him destroy lives with a wave of his hand and never looked back. If he burns I will buy the beer.

Fire away...

CFF? John L? What in the world are you talking about? This makes no sense, this is not CFF, John L! Am I missing something shere. "I watched him destroy lives with a wave of his hand and never looked back."

Who in the world are you talking about?

" If it were me I would have come down and met with everyone and settled it quietly. The method they chose is incorrect in my opinion."

But it wasn't you and since you were not involved, you can't even speculate on what you would have done if you were privy to something since you were not.

I also believed that Baby Dedications were a public act by the parents to bring them up in the nurture & admonition of the Lord. It has to do with Sampson's parents (I think) taking him up to the temple and dedicating (vowing a vow for him to serve God) him to the Lord.

I personally am glad to see Jackie looking so well & rested. More power to her for branching out. I think it's great that they are getting out in the world and making a real living. The book at Amazon is down to a few copies so it must be selling.

I do not believe she self-published, in one of the reviews it explained it all.

Well here's J H's official website. Why in the world people use psudo names is beyond me, it always leaks out.

http://josiedaval.com/default.aspx

Whatsa GS GB???? (Curious)

hahahahahaha You know, Way GB GS GB

Sprawled Out, that was the first thing I tried to find online, too, and I couldn't tell whether it was self-published.

Shortfuse said:

I'm not so sure about that. I did some editing for a vanity press years ago, and I seem to recall that the company also offered marketing services, besides just the editorial/printing services. It's been years, but I think for an extra fee the company would help someone get his or her book into bookstores, etc.

Not self published!

Great discussion.

LOL

How did you find that book and put it together like that Gillian?

too funny!

I wouldn't put H@RNEY on a book either..............

Actually we do have our GS GB too. haha

Perhaps it's a great book, more power to her. Maybe they've mellowed somewhat now that they are old. They coordinate 3 fellowships in the Dayton area, don't know if they are full time or trying to make money & make up for lost time & 401 Ks. Seems like some of the staff I know are branching out into secular work of some kind but self-employed.

Ummm. Interesting. Seems Jackie Horney is expanding her horizons.

http://www.orangefrazer.com/Merchant2/merc...Code=1933197196

Jacque Horney (pen name Josie Davall), now lives in Dayton, Ohio and oversee a Branch (three fellowships) with Ed.

Had a temp one day in our office like that. He was a ballsey flaming you know what. Anyway one day he just pushed me over the edge. When he walked (swayed) past me I slammed my fist on my desk and told God to get him the F out of here.

When he came back from lunch, he went upstairs and was fired. Way to go God. Don't put up with the poop!

Great Posts! Alot of heart! I hope we haven't lost DJ? She is at a great crossroad in her life and DJ, just to let you know that God is always there, no strings attached.

We sure love you.

Good Lord! Chief Dumb Numb Nuts.

DJ, these posts are open, honest and so true to fact. I could not have said it better. I do not believe for one minute that TWI II is any different than it was. Maybe the folks in the fellowships are not being hassled anymore but I can tell you from my personal experience with leadership that I have talked to that nothing has changed at the root.

They know they have to back off you guys because of the law suits and what was exposed. So don't be fooled because it looks nice on the outside, it's still the same people controling the inside. It's their jobs at stake here.

So I hope you listen to God and make the change that he has brought you here for. Your whole fellowship can keep going on, you are part of The Body of Christ & you have so much Word. I guarantee that when you just start to teach and minister to people thru your fellowship, you will be blown away at how God will bless you. Just no condemnation & I mean that for your fellowship. People find it hard to walk away because they think they are letting God down; however quite the opposite is true. You will do more and move more mountains for him by taking the action and forging ahead.

Don't worry about the losers, God can't work within them anymore. If they truly wanted to change, they'd leave and keep their commitment to God and not people, doing their alms before men!

Welcome and we love you.

boy did I have trouble with the fonts. Will try this later. haha

Something else to consider DJS, why have they not at least asked the innies to reach out to those that have left if they are no longe M & A. Apologize for them (under their instruction), not because you want to but because they want to correct a wrong that was done.

It might not fly but why haven't they not even dealt with this.

Another thing, when the gentleman who has a child buried at the cemetary in the Way Woods came to visit the gravesite, why didn't they greet him with open arms, help him deal with his loss. That would have made a great statement to those that are out and M & A. It could have opened a door of utterance.

No they took him to court? Nice, changed, I think not. They are lying to their own people and that stinks.

Hi DJS,

First of all we are glad you came here. The truth is the healing balm. As much as you have had to deal with, consider those that were thrown out on their A$$, slandered, accused of atrocities such as being a homos (when they were not), devil possessed etc., destroying good family relationships; now that is really hard to deal with, especially before Waydale & GS. There was no way to find out if others went thru the same thing and even if you were really sane. Some committed suidide? So TWI II is responsible for some of the believer's deaths because they denied them "good counsel" in "the multitude of counsellors where there is safety". Instead they trashed their families, their lives, took their homes and alot of other evils. So although it hurt your heart to have to go thru what you did by staying in, it can't compare to what many here have had to go thru. Your leadership is still corrupt even though they may not always show their true colors.

I have to agree with Allen when he said they know the leadership and can't buy it. There will always be very sweet loving people in TWI II, however the Word says you know them by their fruit. If the fruit is putrid (at the root and it still is) then the tree will be contaminated and die.

I still have personal contact with some people in and I can tell you that the they as leaders & those in the upper echelon are not in agreement with your observation that things are better. It's only a matter of time before their barbs come out and their doctrine is still way off. God can work in your fellowships, you can teach the Word, you don't need TWI. You see it's The Body of Christ to which you and I belong, not the Body of TWI II. God had to move on and I cannot tell you the healing that has taken place in peoples lives after they got out from under "who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth". When grace is gone, the love is gone & you have legalism and God is not there no matter how many nice people there are in your fellowships. You are still supporting a devilish "root".

Why do you not trust your own judgement and give God the opportunity of showing you as he has most of us here. You probably know more Word in your heart than those that have taken the positions to be "over" you.

So I still see major FEAR in the heart of the letter I was sent. I spent many, many, many years undershepherding this person to GET RID OF FEAR. (sorry not yelling, just making a point). I am pi$$ed that all my work to make her life more peaceful and blessed has gone down the Sthiter. (mispelled on purpose). Those that are responsible are still in charge.

Why not support a fellowship that is on the Word and does have the blessings of God upon it. I'm not suggesting any one group because YOU and your fellowship are a Group of believers fully functional under the leadership of Jesus Christ and he is the one we ultimately want to work for, glorify and bless.

So sorry I have a problem with the people I know that are still in taking any "nice pills". (Again I am not talking about the "leaves" on the tree) If you were to start fellowshipping with believers who left, do you really think for one minute, they would not come down on you. Try it.

And who are they to judge you or anyone else with all their wrong devilish doctrine which led up to error that caused so much heartache. They are still pulling the wool over people's eyes. I spoke to one recently who still thinks they are "God on a stick". Made me want to puke and on top of that they themselves are so FEARFUL by their "controlling" nature that it's detestable to God. They still have to live in a sterile environment & call the shots. That whole group at TWI II in New Knoxville, should leave and go work real jobs and see what life is really about. They think they are still doing God a big service by the junk they do there. They are clueless and living in a time warp no matter how gooey or gushey they get. Ha, they even through Mrs. Wierwille out when it was going to hit their pocketbooks.

I am glad you are here and I wish you the very best that God has to offer. You will find many counsellors here that can help you through absorbing all of this, I know it's alot at first, I just went thru coming here myself but I've been out for a while

love Gillian hugs and xoxoxoxoxo

Actually I believe in marriage after "a million years of it myself". FOS. After all, why buy the milk when the cream is free?

In the end someone could get just as hurt if the other partner leaves after building a life together. I think the marriage thing at least makes you take the time and do a full evaluation before your would ever end the relationship. What's wrong with commitment?

What's wrong also with commiting to life together with NO consideration of divorce EVER. I know from personal experience that you do not have to follow the world's way of doing things, throwing in the towel. Even thou your sweetie had a bad experience, does not mean he has to have one now?

However; to each his own. God bless your union together. XOXOXO

Socks! ROTFLMAO!!!!

Gillian-- that's Bxb and Dxttie Mxynihan

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA I THOUGHT THAT BUT THEN I REALLY BEGAN TO THINK THERE WAS A DOOTY. HAHAHAHAHA

I think that we should fellowship with the innies. To tell them the truth as much as possible. Also we need to love each other. That the devil do not divide us any more!

Actually from her letter it's more like "when Dr. Wierwille" ran the ministry and we are no more M & A. So you really should hang with the innies. Maybe some of them would really welcome being with those who left so they can get updated on what's really going on in their own lives. hahahahahahahahahahaha

Does that make sense?

I would never in a million years go back. Time stands still for them until they go to visit someone and then it catches up with them. Most do not know how much of their lives they have given up for TWI II but the reality will set in one day. Their lives are so mechanical, if they are not operating all 9 and healing as well as ministering (and introducing new people to the Word), then they are fake. How can anyone stay in New Knoxville for 10 yrs. or more and consider themselves "elite" or spiritual. They are not living in the real world.

I do have to say, inspite of the fact that there may have been doctrines taught that were not right on, I still contend that I learned more about my relationship with God and His Word, than any other place I had been prior to TWI or after TWI. When I say after TWI, I mean the abundance of teachings we had initially in such a short time. I will always be grateful for what I did work from the Word and it does still work.

But go back. NEVER

["As far as "See Ya At The Bema",

We used to have a saying when we parted, "See you here, there, or in the air!" But this was a generally friendly farewell, rather than an oblique way of saying, "P1$$ off!"

Hi Kevlar,

I know this particular person and this was not the same as here there or in the air. She really meant that she would not see me until the Bema. It is however contridictory to her first statement of M & A.

So when I do call her I will tell her that I thougt it was great that there is no more M & A (God that sounds like S & M) and I thought we could get together. Of course the TWI spies may already know who she is and I just might get M & A'd again. hahaha