dancing

Sorry mate or allan or alf this is America and you have no pull here.

planned?

poor guess allan or should i call you alf

You are a rotten bastard

You truly bless my soul todd.

A thousand miles apart yet seeing like never before for me.

God SCREAMS to look inside while so many look outside of themselves.

Why is it that there is no distinction between the atmosphere and space?

Why is that the inside must be clean for the outside to be clean.

Why is it that we are to renew our minds and not someone elses.

Why is it that Jesus said that the kingdom is within you.

Why is it that God with all his vast power claims to have made his home within us.

Why does He declare that we are the temple of the living God.

Why do we see and not see so many things.

So many put the events of revelations outside of themselves

instead of taking the time to see and consider that the

Revelation of Jesus Christ happens in the mind.

You, revvel, are not the one to open the seven seals. The seven fires. The seven churches. The seven angels. The seven eyes. I will remind you this day who is Lord and who holds the keys to heaven and hell for us all.

Revelation 5

1And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

2And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

3And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

4And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

5And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

6And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

7And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

8And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

9And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

11And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

12Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

13And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

14And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

Christ is quite alive and well and living to open these things up within us and there will be sounds and sights and wars in the mind as it trys to live, who will stand against His Christ that is within, why kick against the Glory that shall be and can be revealed in us.

You have set a time frame for the timeless Lord God Almighty. There is not one. You limit yourself by your own musings and not by letting the Lord work. A certain philosophical or study pattern built by men. It will not hold up against the fire of God. Hell is at the door and Heaven will abound in every soul. And has already worked it's work in millions.

lol....nice meeting you revvel

you read my intention wrong, so i'll just let it go

it was not an accusation

you simply don't know the answers

you reformat the questions to your line of thought

instead of really seeing what the question is

your replies didn't answer the questions to my satisfaction

in this thread or the other ones

which is what i look for, perhaps to your satisfaction

it don't matter anyways....

You are a foolish boy allan.

I don't know much about 'anamcara project' untill you just said it.

Didn't even read Todd's thread on it' just glance it over.

So why don't you just shut your face.

You know nothing and worse then that.

I find it interesting to note how I was treated as a "newbie" by some on this Forum that didn't know who I was. Why is that I wonder. I have been here with greasespot since it started and that's been over 6 years now and I have grown and changed much-much more then anyone but a few that know me can see. Also I told a couple people I changed handles and some already knew it because they know me and we are friends.

I commend Goey for his gracious welcome to me before he knew what my handle was before I changed it. And I changed for MY reasons and that is all I should have to say about it. I used the change not to deceive or trick anyone but for reasons that I will only disclose to those that I choose to.

It should have been quite clear to some, for how many newbies go directly to the doctrinal section with their first post. You for one revvel. I do not think you have experienced greasespot for long which is fine. But I know most of these people and love them as well as I love you.

Let me remind you of what you said-

Jun 8 2006, 10:48 AM Post #61

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Hello dancing,

You have made it clear that you have a different perspective. That’s fine… This is a forum… People are going to agree and disagree all day long… This is a place to provoke thought through intelligent debate.

And there are numerous questions on this thread to provoke thought and not to get answers from you but from God himself who opens the eyes.

And you can call me dancing since that is my handle.

RE: The "Signless" Return: Dogma - 3/23/2006 1:07:44 PM FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=No New Messages"

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ORIGINAL: skypair

revel,

I think the word "signless" speaks of Jesus teaching in Mt 24 that His 2nd coming would have "signs" ("when ye see all these things come to pass...") but there would be no determinative "signs" of the rapture. Israel "and the other trees" would seem to be a "sign" of the rapture but Israel has been one for almost 70 years, right? Days of Noah/Lot -- routine -- long time. But suddenly the disappearances!

To me, Peter (2Pet 3:10), Paul (1Thes 5:2), and Jesus (Mt 24:42-43) make it clear that the pretrib rapture/DOTL will be a surprise. Rev 2:16, 3:3 and Rev 16:15 regarding the 2nd coming seem to show that that event will be predictable to those who are watching and not by others.

skypair

What is signless and quiet or secret about 1 TH 4?

"Voice of the Arcangel and the Trump of God".

Or maybe you suppose the wicked will be struck deaf and blind at your pre-t rapture?

You are joking, No?

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Prov 27:17 iron sharpeneth iron as a man the countenance of his friend.

http://forums.christianity.com/The_%22Sign..._1052702/tm.htm

That's the only one I will post.

! Thessolonians 4, and I have given no excuses at all.

Don't put that on me as some sort of requirement to speak my mind.

Ain't it though Allan?

The truth spoken so many years ago.

And what if it is true that you disagree with?

What if that which was done really came to pass in your life?

Would you reject Christ because of yourself?

14I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

15That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.

16And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.

17I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there for every purpose and for every work.

18I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

19For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.

20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

21Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

22Wherefore I perceive that there is nothing better, than that a man should rejoice in his own works; for that is his portion: for who shall bring him to see what shall be after him?

Such is the mind of men in the times .... Jesus the Christ gave himself and redeemed us all past and present to be with him and walk in the Garden of God without hideing ...opening our hearts...naked and open in Christ..having all yet not having anything and possessing heaven and earth in our hands to let it loose again to another......

Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

"ez trust"?????

hahahahaha.....:)

reformat all computers!!!!!!!!!

or not...

Got Ccleaner?

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or follow these steps hmmmmm???

not even 12 i think or 5....maybe

http://www.geekstogo.com/forum/You_Must_Re..._Log-t2852.html

In general the word cult signifies an offense to God and destroying of lives from either a person or limited system of thinking that is detremental to one's health possessions and family. Often quite quickly equaled to the occult which is far more of a negative or "devilish" ringing in the ears of those that do not understand what the devil is and are themselves entrenched in doctrines that are not labeled as such.

One could label the place that I work at as a cult and it would fit. It is a public school. And basically required for every person that is of the age to attend and there are of course the exceptions, homeschooling and such but still a plan with goals.

It's a basic misunderstanding of patterns and systems and the enormous energy of the human mind to direct it self in one direction. But And a BIG BUT, is that the human mind has the power to direct it's energy in many directions and not be caught into a trap of one direction or another, but to stay itself on a path of growing and learning without committing itself to anything but learning and growing.

Many capitalize on the power of the mind to focus and know how to draw it's attention in one direction. Such is what happens in public schools to teach, yet they know and teach also that the mind must switch directions quite quickly as the next class is sometimes only 30 minutes away weith new directions and instruction.

And it's left to the individual to assimulate the information and decide for themselves or learn what has been taught without committing it's resources totally to them. Leaving much room for more learning and the mind itself exploring alternatives.

Freedom to think is the key to great thinking and great thoughts that have not been thought before. So you can go further then you were taught for sure, it's the whole point of learning.

posted by dancing

Also why do you insist on not answering questions that really challenge the docrtrine on any of the boards I posted about what you are presenting.

the boards I posted

revvel

I didn't ask the questions on the other boards. I said there were questions not answered. I also said I won't go into them with you here, because it would not benefit either of us.

There are plenty of questions right here on this thread.

Hi excathedra,

The only thing I could find when googled is this-

http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/troj...f=google_trojan

It may want you to buy it before you can remove it. But it may show you where that dude is.

You can also try geekstogo.com and post the question.

A very good read indeed!

I have some more for another thread on another day too.

The replies to the subject have helped me tremendously.

Love, Clay

I've seen what you do when I tell the TRUTH allan w.

I will not be subject to your stupidity anymore.

And I'm always honest.

I honestly don't care whether you think I am or not.

Are you wanting a date with me or something allan w.?

Following me around like dog in heat!

I'm not that kind of guy!

It's easy to sit back and say this and that will happen untill you are in the eye of the storm, in the arms of Christ the Lord. Everything open and naked in front of his eyes. No condemnation, no judgement meaning punishment. So much has been misunderstood.

Last question. What is the greatest thing besides hope and faith?

It'll be there buddy, you can count on it because He is love.

He cannot escape Himself, nor have we ever been out of his love.

It is the goodness of God. Yes fear God. Why?

A lot less that we have to unload when the time comes.

And the time will come. Absolutely.

His thoughts are higher then ours.....

It'll be quite the surprise in this little cracker jack box of flesh.

The signs will be seen by those experiencing Christ and to the very very very few that can see. No not that we look for them, they just happen as promised and what they are will be seen more clearly every day which is the Lord's.

allan finally coming to think a bit huh...

revvel I saw many questions that were not answered that you didn't see. You may not have understood them as such. So I don't attribute this to intentional avoiding answering questions. Every one will miss some. You have this on so many boards I will not take the time to go through it with you. It wouldn't benefit either of us.

Here's a few thoughts. What does what you are presenting have in it from God to us now? I as well as many here at this place have been promised many things from the bible yet have not seen them come to pass in the here and now. What is it that they had in the book of Acts that was so powerful and life changing for so many?

Hope for the future? Pretty much had it with the carrot on the stick deal. What about what can be had and experienced now and seen.

John was in the Spirit on the Lord’s day. Is not every day the Lords?

The sights and sounds and heart described in the revelation of Jesus Christ will be unique to each individual.

Of course it's figurative language (figurative for lack of a better word). There are no words that can say it like it's experienced.

lol....there are always questions, even in what i posted

i can't help but notice that you don't

http://cronkite.asu.edu/latino.html

it's either that or maybe marriage?

I think the main problem is that there is a search for some doctrine that can had as a reference rather then the God in Christ that works in every individual.

And it is taken as an arrogant or some what of a standard to apply for the rest of our lives instead of, yes God told me this but there is still more He has to say on the matter and the thinking and mind set will change as the ear tunes into what God is really saying.

Because no one is at the same place in their lives. Their is no likemindedness like we were taught in the way but a like mind of believing that God does work in every person and speaks to them and when it is voiced in the manner of "God told me" it seems to put one on the defensive that the other person has realized and God has shown to him.

So instead of taking it as some sort of standard to live by, the "God told me' can be incorparated into our thinking without so much as a twitch. With the understanding that this is where this person who made the statement is. And to appreciate the input as this is how God can teach an individual.

And we can all learn from each other as we voice what God has shown us without walls of defense but with an intertwining ribbon of faith that it is truly God who does enlighten the eyes and to see that not one soul can have it all or corner the market on "God told me".