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  1. The original meanings of the words, which the Deist Elohist Theologians of the Latin Catholic Church, and Elohist Theologians of the English Translations, and Elohist Theologians of the other Language Translations, have done away with in their translations, still exist for anyone that seeks the truth. The plural Hebrew name Elohim and its plural Aramaic equivalent, should have never been translated as a singular God. And the Greek class equivalent “Ho Theos,” should have never been translated as a singular God. The Greek article is not used like the English article. If we say in English, “The sheep all ate grass.” That is similar to the Greek class article. You cannot say, “THE sheep” means ONE sheep in that English sentence, and likewise in Greek, you cannot say “Ho Theos” means ONE Theos. It is a class or family with the name of the Highest named upon all the family in heaven and upon earth. We are not to worship and serve any of the family which are the hosts of heaven with or aside the Creator, we are to worship and serve the Highest. Because the Elohim deliver the word of the Highest to us, and Sons of God teach us until we understand the word, we are not only called Elohim, Sons of the Highest, we are also called Sons of Elohim. So likewise Jesus is not only called the uniquely begotten Son of the Highest, he is called the uniquely begotten Son of Elohim also. All the ancestors of Jesus’s mother, saw the visions of the Highest begetting his Son from their loins, so they are called Elohim, Sons of the Highest, and Jesus is called the Son of Elohim, meaning their Son also. To worship and serve any creature with or aside the Creator, is the reason Romans says that the wrath of God is unveiled from heaven. No doubt God the Father whom is Spirit. is our Creator, and no doubt, with or aside him is God the Son, and God the Spirit High Angel, these are Elohim that we glorify alike God, and we are thankful for them, but like the scripture says of some, they stumble at the stumbling stone laid in Zion, some cast him off, and others err worshiping and serving the creature as if he were the Creator, and others believe upon him as he is the High Priest upon the order of Melchizedek. If you wanted to make an accurate English translation of the plural Hebrew name Elohim and its plural Aramaic equivalent, and the Greek class equivalent “Ho Theos,” use an English word like “Godship.” And define “Godship” as “the equivalent of the plural Hebrew name Elohim and its plural Aramaic equivalent, and the Greek class equivalent ‘Ho Theos.’ Which is a family with the name of the Highest named upon them in all the languages. And sometimes the plural Hebrew name Elohim and its plural Aramaic equivalent are rightly translated as plural Gods in English and Greek.” Do a word study on that Greek word “para,” it means “aside.” And do a name study of El, Elah, and Elohim, being named upon all, even in names like “Eli,” which means “my God,” and “Israel,” which means “prevails like God.” There is only one Jehovah, and his name “Jehovah” is abbreviated as “Jah,” in the name “Elijah,” his name means, “My God Jehovah.” And the name “Jehovah” abbreviated as “Jah,” is used in the name of the Priesthood of “Abijah,“ which means, “My Father Jehovah.“ And the name “Jehovah” abbreviated as “Jah,” is used in the name that we get the names “Jesus or Joshua” from, which means, “Jehovah’s salvation.” Love and prayers Joseph
  2. “Did I say I dislike Jehovah? And the truth as it was originally taught? hahahahaha Gimme a break fella. When it gets 'originally' taught to you, by the Lord Jesus Christ and those that speak the language of the Spirit, we could possibly really talk.” You have used his name twice with the sense that you object to the use of his name. Why can you not tell that I am speaking by Jesus the Christ, and by the Spirit Jehovah, whom gave me their words and visions, which are supported by and comfirm the older Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, scripture texts? Since the Spirit speaks to me in any language that I understand, why do you not understand the Spirit’s plain English language? Love and prayers Joseph
  3. For anyone interested in finding the truth as it was originallt taught, I add this. The manlike that sits within the temple apposing and exalting above all called God, or that is worshipped, declaring that he related exists God, who is he? The King James Version says, 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. But the Greek and Aramaic says, “Who apposes and exalts above all called God or is worshipped, as he unto the temple of Elohim alike God sits, declaring himself related exists God.” Those who claim to be the body of Jesus, and falsely claim Jesus is the Creator, and they exalt themselves above the Sons called Gods and Lords, and they kill or scatter them, falsely saying there exists no God but one, are they the man of sin? Or those who claim to be the body of Jesus, and falsely claim Jesus is not God, and they exalt themselves above the Sons called Gods and Lords, and they kill or scatter them, falsely saying there exists no God but one, are they the man of sin? Or those who reject Jesus, and falsely claim Jesus is not Christ, and they exalt themselves above the Sons called Gods and Lords, and they kill or scatter them, falsely saying there exists no God but one, are they the man of sin? Or are all those of each religious group, who falsely say there exists no God but one, and they kill or scatter the Sons called Gods and Lords, are they the man of sin that deceived the whole earth? Love and prayers Joseph
  4. "You assume a lot about what i believe. btw, at least you didn't say Jehovah in that post. unless I missed it oops yeah i did, saw it" Jesus said speaking any word against the Son can be forgiven, but speaking a word against the Spirit cannot be forgiven in this life, nor in the life to come, the Father is that Spirit, why do you dislike his name? Love and prayers Joseph
  5. Dancing, Because Jesus prayed for us to be one with him and the Father, does that make us a deity to be worshiped? Or does that mean we are to become one in unity of purpose? The King James Version is Theology taught by Theologians who stood against the Theology taught by Theologians of the Roman Catholic Church. Instead of accepting either Theology, what are the original words spoken and written by the Prophets and Apostles, and what are the original meanings of those words? What was the glory held by the Father prior thereof the Cosmos, for his uniquely begotten Son? Was it the glory that his uniquely begotten Son would be glorified with, or was it the Son himself? John 17:5-7 King James says, 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. But the Greek and Aramaic says, “And now glorify me of you Father aside yourself, the glory than held prior thereof the Cosmos being aside you,” King James says, 6 “I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.” But the Greek and Aramaic says, “Manifested yours that name those manlike whom gave me exited of the Cosmos, yours were and to me these gave, and the word yours kept,” King James says, 7 “Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.” But the Greek and Aramaic says, “Now acquainting related all things given me aside yours exists,” Though the Hebrew and Greek of Genesis does not use a word that means, “to create something from nothing,” nor do they use a word that means “Creator,” the Aramaic and Greek of Romans uses a word that means “Creator.” Romans 1: 25 King James says, 25 “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.” But the Greek and Aramaic says, “Who exchanged the truth of Elohim within the lie, and worshiped and served the creature aside the Creator, whom exists blessed unto the age of all ages truly,” You are Elohim, Sons of the Highest, you are Sons by the Spirit of Adoption, but Jesus is the uniquely begotten Son of the Highest. Can you by the Spirit manifest the name of the Highest, and keep his word, or do you just worship and serve the creature aside the Creator? The Highest cannot lie, but Elohim lie. 2 Thessalonians 2:11 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: “And through this sends them Elohim, strong delusions unto that believe of them the lie,” In the Hebrew record of Genesis, it says Jehovah Elohim spoke to Adam, but the serpent omitted the name of the Highest, Jehovah, and spoke only in the plural name Elohim to Eve. But this has to be prophecy of the church, the second Eve, being deceived by Elohim, because Adam and Eve did not know the name Jehovah, they knew him as the Highest. The manlike that sits within the temple apposing and exalting above all called God, or that is worshipped, declaring that he related exists God, who is he? The King James Version says, 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. But the Greek and Aramaic says, “Who apposes and exalts above all called God or is worshipped, as he unto the temple of Elohim alike God sits, declaring himself related exists God.” Those who claim to be the body of Jesus, and falsely claim Jesus is the Creator, and they exalt themselves above the Sons called Gods and Lords, and they kill them, saying there exists no God but one, are they the man of sin? Love and prayers Joseph
  6. Your questions, “If we died with Christ and he is still alive then who are the dead? If we rose up with Christ then what does dead mean now. And is it possible that dead and die can have more then one meaning?” While yet living, the scriptures count us as being born DEAD in natural sin and in sins. Life associated within Jehovah, and he associated that Life within the Son as the Light of manlike, and when we receive the Son, our nature of being born Dead in natural sin, dies, and we are made alive with the Life in Christ, for the remission of the nature of sin, and we are reconciled to Jehovah. And all that receive that Life, though he dies and corrupts in the grave, the scriptures say that he will live again forevermore, counting the yet dead, as if they were already alive forevermore. Love and prayers Joseph
  7. Your question, “And what does it mean to die? The rest of your questions, that you have answered yourself is based on this mostly. So it would have to be a better enlightenment then you are offering at this point.” Even though I know a lot of people that would argue with what I am about to say, I will speak of things that learned by the Spirit. Once I saw a man that I knew in a vision, and his name rose up off of him and rolled over to another place where I could see myself running up to a man that I did not know until that name fell upon him twice, as he walked in front of this building. Now everything in the vision happened as if it all ready came to pass. But I did not know where this place was until I began to describe the building to some believers when one jumped up and said, “I know where that building is at.” And we went there right to the point that I saw myself in the vision, and five minutes after we got there, the vision came to pass exactly as I saw it, and I ran unto him yelling out his name, and he stopped and looked at me and said, “How did you know my name?” So I told him the truth, I said, God sent me here to talk to you. And he took a step back, and said, “well, lay it on me!” Now the manlike Angels that I saw in the vision, had made themselves look exactly like the man that I knew before, and exactly like the man that I met. So when I see someone in a vision, that I know is dead, I know that it is not hem in the vision it is a vision foretelling of their resurrection, and the manlike Angels that play either the part of the dead as alive, or imitate those that are yet alive, in the visions, normally they convey to me things which are yet to come the pass. When Peter said to Jesus, I thought Elijah must come first? I believe this is why Peter was confused about the vision of Moses and Jesus and Elijah, because God uses the images of those past, to tell about present and future things, even using the dead as if they were alive already. Don’t get stumped by this, I was once pronounced dead, but when I woke, it seemed that it was but second before, when I was hit with a rock that blinded me, and caused a stroke. I did not feel a thing, nor could I remember anything from when I was out. I believe death is like that, one second you are here and now, and after death, it will seem like a second, and we will arise from the dead at that last day, some to life forevermore, and some for a second death. Love and prayers Joseph
  8. Your quote, “Apparently 'Jehovah' could not do what Christ did.” True, Jehovah cannot die, so he loved the Cosmos by giving his uniquely begotten Son to die for us. Jehovah resurrected the Son from among the dead, and seated him at his own right hand, till he sets his enemies to stool his feet. In the Sons return for his day of wrath, well, that is just a warm up, for the great and notable day of Jehovah., no true prophet looks forward with joy for that day, it is a day of Darkness not Light, so we labor to enter into Jehovah’s rest. This manlike Melchizedek, not just a Priest of Elohim, but Priest of the Highest, how many manlike like that are there serving Jehovah in his Kingdom of Elohim? The testimony of the saints concerning Christ, is not that the Spirit of Prophecy? Jesus sat down at the right hand of Jehovah, and all the manlike creatures like Melchizedek, were put into subjection to him. These manlike know mankind inside and out, because we were made in their image, but we were made a little lower than them for the suffering of death, for it is appointed for every man to die once, and those of us not appointed like some manlike are appointed to die a second death, both the faithful manlike and ourselves, step up unto Jehovah by his Son whom indeed is the High Priest upon the order of .Melchizedek. These manlike serving Jehovah are his hosts of heaven, what High Priest of any order, would say, “serve me and not my God!”? Not Jesus Christ who died for us so that he might reconcile us to Jehovah. Lucifer now the Prince of Darkness once sat were Jesus now sits, and Lucifer’s attitude of “serve me not my God, and his lie, I am the God of Light your Creator,” is what led him to destroy the former heavens and earth., and because the Prince of Darkness transforms himself to appear as the Messenger of Light, and he deceives the whole earth, the ability to destroy this heavens and earth in war that causes even the elements to burn and dissolve with a fervent fiery flame, will be placed in the hands of Jesus, when the Father brings about his predetermined times and seasons, which power rests in the Father’s hands alone. Yep, neither these manlike Angels nor Jesus, knows the hour predetermined by the Father. Both the faithful manlike like Melchizedek and the unfaithful manlike like Lucifer were within beginning when they finished the heavens and the earth. Jehovah alone holds the power to create things from nothing, and the power to dissolve even the elements. In Genesis 2:4 the printed Hebrew Text has it right, when the former heavens and earth were finished, not but about six thousand years ago, when the former heavens and earth were destroyed along with all the manlike and the animals, within that day Jehovah resurrected his Elohim and they made first earth, and then the heavens, and these newer ones were not created from nothing then, this earth and heavens was made from the debris of the former heavens and earth, there is not a word used in Genesis that means “to create something from nothing.” Those teaching otherwise are deceived, the materials within this earth are older than six thousand years, and it has not been a full six thousand years since the events of Genesis 1:1. Genesis 2:4 “These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were finished, within the day that Jehovah Elohim made earth and heavens.” Love and prayers Joseph
  9. Your quote, “’More accurate’ defined, of course, in a practical sense as ‘it matches my theology.’” My answer, since those alternate text readings are more accurate compared with all the scriptures that speak about the beginning. 2 Peter 3:5-7 “5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.“: Peter said, “that by the word of God the heavens were of old,” the alternate reading of the Hebrew and Greek Texts in Genesis, just shows that the truth was not hidden, it was written in the Scriptures long before I became, and it will abide forever. So if you want to call more accurate Scriptures my Theology, I guess you could do that, but people that believe the truth don’t believe Theology, they believe Jehovah. His word says seek and you shall find, I seek the truth as it was originally revealed to the Prophets and Apostles, and was spoken and written by them, so if I truly am seeking the truth of Jehovah’s word, would he not make it so that I could find it? And when I find it, should I keep it to myself, or should I put it where others can find it too, and rejoice in the truth also? If you download the Online Bible program, so that you will have the Hebrew and Greek fonts that I use, I could give you my notes and different Hebrew and Greek Texts, so that you could see that I am not making them up. Love and prayers Joseph
  10. Your quote is not what I said. “So, you're saying in one place that we have ONE Creator-The Almighty, who's "Elohim" in Genesis 1:1, and in another place that Elohim means Spirit Angels, and THEY created man. Oh, and WE'RE Elohim also“. I never said Elohim was the creator in Genesis 1:1, and the original Hebrew does not say that either. Here is a more accurate translation from a more accurate Hebrew text and Greek text. Jehovah declared the ending from the beginning. Genesis 1:1-2 “Within beginning finished Elohim associate the heavens and associate the earth, than the earth clash invisibleness and untenanted, and darkness surface wakes, and Spirit Elah from the brood surface the waters.” Some Hebrew texts have a singular Elah in verse 2, the same as the Greek LXX uses a singular “Theou” without the class article. Greek uses the class article “Ho Theos” in verse 1. Hebrew also does not use the word “To create” in verse 1, it uses “Bara” which was used as “finished,” until the Latin translation of 405 AD, your English Texts are mostly translated from Latin, not from Hebrew or Aramaic or Greek which all used plurals for the name Elohim, and a singular like Elah as the Highest over all Elohim. Both the Angels and man are named Elohim, and verse two is prophecy of the destruction of this heavens and earth by fire, and is prophecy of the resurrections of the just and the unjust. The devil was a murder from the beginning, he killed himself and the plural Elohim in the destruction of the former heavens and earth. And Spirit Elah named Jehovah was left alone to still the waters, and resurrect the just and the unjust Elohim. The name “Lucifer” means “Light Bearer,” and when awakened from death, he and his followers failed to manifest Light, and they became the Spirits of darkness that are appointed for the second death, because Elah is Light, and they failed to manifest him. Genesis 3:3-5 “and said Elohim, birth Light, and birth Light, and saw Elohim associate the Light the related good, and divided Elohim among between the Light, and among between the Darkness, and called Elohim the Light Day, and the Darkness called Night, and birth evening and birth morning day first. “ Jehovah is Elah of the Elohim of Light, and Lucifer is Elah of the Elohim of Darkness. At Mount Horeb the sons of Israel turned back form Jehovah, to worshiping and serving the Elohim whom are the hosts of heaven. The name “Jesus” is translated from the same word that is translated “Joshua.” I will stand with Joshua. Joshua 24:15 “And if it seem evil unto you to serve Jehovah, choose you this day whom you will serve; whether associations associate Elohim which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or associations associate Elah of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell, but as for me and my house, we will serve Jehovah.” Love and prayers Joseph
  11. In taking on the theological battle that has been going on for millennia, by asking, what is the meaning of the names of God in the Scriptures? And asking, who is named God in the Scriptures? The next question is, why do so many among the nations seek another God than the one, who first began to reveal his sanctified name unto Moses from amidst the thorn bush, where the Angel of Jehovah appeared unto Moses in the burning thorn bush, that burn and was not consumed, and Jehovah called unto Moses to set himself aside from all other Gods? Take a look at Exodus 3:4, the original Hebrew said, “and saw Jehovah the related turn to see, and called to him from amidst the thorn bush,” but someone added the plural name “Elohim” to the 1008 AD Text from which most of our Hebrew Texts are made. They changed it to say, “Elohim called to him from amidst the thorn bush,” But the Greek copies made from Greek LXX translated around 130 BC, do not contain the words “Ho Theos,” in verse 4, which the Greek often used for the plural name Elohim, and the 405 AD Latin Text does not contain the word “Deus,” in verse 4, which Latin often used for the plural name Elohim, and the record of this event recorded in Acts 7:30-32, says, “and the voice of Jehovah birth with him,” not, “and the voice of Elohim.” This record shows plainly that though Jehovah was not known to Moses then, Jehovah kept speaking unto Moses, but Moses failed to sanctify Jehovah and kept speaking unto the plural Elohim, until Moses realized who Jehovah is. Exodus 3:1-10 “And Moses birth feeding associate the flock of Jethro his father in law, priest of Midian, and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and enter unto the mountain of the Elohim, Horeb, and appeared the Angel of Jehovah unto him, within flame of fire from amidst a thorn bush, and appeared, and behold the thorn bush burned within fire, and the thorn bush was not consumed, and said Moses, I will turn now, and see associate this great sight, why the thorn bush does not burn, and saw Jehovah the related turn to see and called to him from amidst the thorn bush, and said, ‘Moses, Moses,’ and Moses said, ‘here I am.’ And he said, ‘not drawing closer to here, put off your sandals from off your feet, related the place where upon you stand, ground holy exists,’ and said moreover, ‘I relate Elah of your Fathers, Elah of Abraham, Elah of Isaac, Elah of Jacob, ‘ and turned Moses his face from the related appearance fearing the Elohim, and said Jehovah, ‘I have seen the affliction of my people within Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of the task makers, related I know their sorrows, And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites. Now therefore, behold, the cry of the sons of Israel is come unto me, and I have also seen associate the oppression wherewith the Egyptians oppress them. Come now, and I will send you unto Pharaoh, that you may bring forth my people, the sons of Israel out of Egypt.’” Notice Jehovah has not yet said his name to Moses, and Moses keeps speaking to the Elohim whom he could see, but no man not even Moses can see our God Jehovah, he is invisible at all times, Moses heard his voice, but kept speaking to the Elohim that he could see. Exodus 3:11-12 “And said Moses with the Elohim, ‘Who I, that I should go unto Pharaoh, and that I should bring forth the sons of Israel out of Egypt?’ and said, ‘related myself with you, and this a token unto you, that I sent you, when you have brought forth my people out of Egypt, you will serve associate the Elohim upon this mountain.’ “ In this conversation Moses still does not know who Jehovah is, in until in verse 13 -16, which is indeed prophetic of the promised Messiah, but unlike English translations that use “I am that I am,” there is no verb in Hebrew for the words “am, is, was, are, or to be.” The Hebrew here in Exodus 3:13-16 uses the verb “hayah,” and repeats that verb, which means, “to become, or, to birth, or, to begin, or, to come to pass.” This verb was used because though the sons Israel did not know who Jehovah was, they knew that El Shadday is Elah, and they knew that verb is used by Elah and his plural Elohim to birth all that birth. The English word “birth,” fit’s most of the usages of “hayah,” like in Genesis 1, “and said Elohim birth light, and birth light,” and, “and birth evening, and birth morning day first.” Now in verse 13-16 Moses is still speaking to the plural Elohim and Jehovah and the Elohim speak back to Moses response. Exodus 3:13-16 “And said Moses with the Elohim, ‘behold I arrive with the sons of Israel, and shall say unto them, Elah of your fathers sent me with you, and they say unto me, what is the name of him? What shall I say to them?’ And said Elohim with Moses, ‘I birth which I birth,’ and said, ‘thus shall you say unto the sons of Israel, I birth, sent me unto you,’ and said Elohim moreover with Moses, ‘Thus shall you say unto the sons of Israel, Jehovah Elohim of your fathers, the Elah of Abraham, the Elah of Isaac, and the Elah of Jacob, has sent me unto you, this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations,’ ’Go and gather associate leaders of Israel, and say to them, Jehovah Elohim, Elah of your fathers appear unto me, Elah of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, saying surly I have visited you, and see that which is done unto you in Egypt…’” Moses finally begins addressing Jehovah directly in chapter 4, and after rehearsing the miracles that he was to do before the sons of Israel and before Pharaoh, and Pharaoh would not let them go, and the sons of Israel cried unto Moses because of the evil response of Pharaoh, at this point Moses still needs to be reminded who Jehovah is in chapter 6, and Jehovah and the Elohim give Moses further details about who Jehovah is. Exodus 6:1-3 “And said Jehovah with Moses, now shall you see what I will do to Pharaoh, for with a strong hand will he let them go, and with a strong hand he will drive them from his land, also spoke Elohim with Moses, and said with him, I Jehovah, and appeared with Abraham, and with Isaac, and with Jacob, within El Shadday, and my name Jehovah, not known unto them.” It is difficult to translate Hebrew accurately into any other language at times, but it is plain in Hebrew that both Jehovah and his plural Elohim spoke together with Moses in this conversation, and as the plural Elohim revealed that they were within El Shadday and testified of who he is, El Shadday revealed his name Jehovah was not known unto Abraham and Isaac and Jacob, or to the sons of Israel in bondage in Egypt. Moses had to reveal who Jehovah is unto the sons of Israel, as Jehovah as Elah and his Elohim commanded Moses to do so in Exodus 3:13-16, and Jehovah tells Israel in chapter 6 that he will be their Elah, and they will be his people. But the people turned their hearts back into Egypt at mount Horeb, and worshipped plural Elohim and the works of their own hands, and Jehovah said unto Moses, “a prophet shall I raise up unto them of their brethren, like unto you, him shall they hear, and it shall come to pass, whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require of him.” Jehovah sanctified plural Elohim for himself and for protecting his people, but even the sanctified hosts of heaven are not for man to worship and serve, they are ministering Spirits here to serve and protect the foreknown until they are fully acquainted with Jehovah, and the foreknown receive the promise of his uniquely begotten Son, and the records show that plural Elohim also forsook Jehovah, and caused the death of those that believed not during the flood of Noah, and plural Elohim were misleading some of Israel, for after Moses led the sons of Israel from Egypt, many of them still wanted to serve and worship the plural Elohim instead of sanctifying and serving Jehovah himself, and for forty years Jehovah led them through the desert, while those that worshipped the hosts of heaven fell in the wilderness where Moses also himself and his brother Aaron died, not entering the promised land, because they failed to sanctify Jehovah in the eyes of the sons of Israel, and when Moses and Aaron brought forth water from the rock as commanded by Jehovah, he revealed this unto them. Number 20:12-13 “And Jehovah spoke unto Moses and Aaron, Because you believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the sons of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them. This the water of Meribah, because the sons of Israel strove with Jehovah, and he was sanctified in them.” And Joshua led the remnant of Israel that believed Jehovah into the promised land, and Joshua said unto the people, Joshua 24:15 “And if it seem evil unto you to serve Jehovah, choose you this day whom you will serve; whether associations associate Elohim which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or associations associate Elah of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell, but as for me and my house, we will serve Jehovah.” And as long as the people sanctify and serve Jehovah, he drove their enemies out from before them, but many of Israel failed to sanctify and believe Jehovah, and many perished in unbelief in the promised land in diverse ways, until the fourteenth generation from Abraham, when David found favor in the sight of Jehovah, but many of Israel failed to sanctify and believe Jehovah, and many perished in unbelief in the promised land in diverse ways, until the fourteenth generation from David, when they were carried away into Babylon, but many of Israel failed to sanctify and believe Jehovah, and many perished in unbelief in Babylon and in the promised land in diverse ways, until the fourteenth generation from the carry away into Babylon, when under the protection of the Angel of Jehovah, Jesus the Christ was begotten by the Highest, and was born flesh and blood for the suffering of death. Jesus said many would come in his name, and would deceive many, and from the days of John the Baptist many theologians have come in his name beguiling unstable souls, using their misunderstanding of the Scriptures wherein the stumbled at the word, to try to say that Jesus is our Creator, or say to worship the hosts of heaven, failing to sanctify and believe Jehovah, and from the days of John the Baptist when prophecies of old began to be fulfilled in these latter days, many perished in unbelief in the promised land and worldwide in diverse ways unto this day, when still the Highest God named Jehovah is our Creator, and he prophecy there in the scrolls of Moses, and in the scrolls of the Prophets, and in the scrolls of his Apostles, of his uniquely begotten Son Jesus, whom suffered and died and was resurrected and ascended into the heaven of heavens, and now sits at the right hand of Jehovah, as his High Priest upon the order of Melchizedek, delivering both Israel and the Gentiles that believe from the power of sin, and from the powers of darkness, and from the power of the second death, so that we may enter the promised land of the new heavens and earth that shall birth when all the prophecy is fulfilled. Psalm 110:1-4 “A Psalm of David. Said Jehovah unto my Adonai, ‘Sit you at my right hand, until I set your enemies to stool your feet.’ Jehovah shall send the rod of your strength out of Zion, “rule you within amidst your enemies, your people become willing within the day of your power, within the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning, you have the dew of your youth.’ Jehovah has sworn, and will not repent, ‘You are Priest for ever upon the order of Melchizedek.’” Who do you say is the prophet like unto Moses, who shall speak unto the people in the name of Jehovah? I say my Adonai Jesus is, and I stand with him, and with Jehovah! Love and prayers Joseph
  12. To start with, I will take on a theological battle that has been going on for millennia, what is the meaning of the names of God in the Scriptures? And ask, who is named God in the Scriptures? If you have answers or verses contrary to what I set forth here, I would like to take the time to dig up the original meanings of every word in its context, in Hebrew, and in Aramaic, and in Greek, and in Latin, to see who is right. In this thread, anyone who can stay out of personal attacks, and take on the task of searching Scripture Texts for the original words, and the original meaning of the words that pertain to Jehovah, to his promises, and to his Messiah, and to his people, and to his Angels, are welcome to engage in the controversies that come up, when trying to find the original words, and the original meanings of the words, that make up the Scriptures in Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, Latin, and English. In my English translations from Hebrew or Greek, even though they are not perfect English sentences, I try to find an English word that will fit a particular Hebrew or Greek word in all the places where it is used. For an example the Greek word “Peri,” is Strong’s number 4012 peri per-ee’ In the King James Version “Peri” is translated -of 148, for 61, concerning 40, about 31, as touching 5, touching 6, whereof + 3739 3, not translated 4, If the context of “peri” is translated with words close to the original meanings of the words, the English word “about,” fits all its usages, but the English words “concerning, on account of, because of, and near” do not. John did not wear a girdle “concerning” his waist, but “about” his waist. And when you have an English word close to the original meaning in all its usages, though the translation may not be perfect English, it is not necessary to add extra pronouns and nouns in English, to make sense out of it, like Mt 11:9-10 where they had to add the pronoun “he” in verse 10, and “I“ in verse 9, that are not in the Greek Text. “But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? yea, I say unto you, and more than a prophet. For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.” But the Greek says word for word, in verses 9 and 10, “but why went to see a prophet? Yea, spoken to you and beyond the prophet’s, this because exists about whom written, behold, I send the messenger mine prior to the face yours, whom prepares the path yours, before yours.” Read the context in Greek, they went to see John, because of whom John spoke of, and John wanted to know if Jesus was he of whom John spoke, for John knew by the Spirit that they both existed about whom written the prophet Isaiah. If you need a Scripture Text in any of these Languages, I can supply this and links if you need them. to where you can download free electronic copies, to include variant Texts in each Language. A good starter is the free Online Bible Program, http://www.onlinebible.net/ where you can download and view as an interlinear, the Hebrew Texts made from 1008 AD Hebrew Text, an unaccented copy of the Greek LXX Old Testament translated from Hebrew about 130 BC, an unaccented Greek copy of the 1550 Textus Receptus New Testament, a copy of the Pe....ta or Aramaic New Testament, and a copy of Jerome’s 405 AD Latin Text that includes the New and Old Testament, and variant English Texts, and other Language Translations, and several Lexicons. With those and variant accented Greek Texts and vowel pointed Hebrew Texts from other places, electronic and hardbound, you will find that it is easy to see what words were originally used in each of the Scriptures, even though some theologians tried to change a verse here and there to try to support their own theology, and you will see that the English Lexicons that describe the words used in those Original Languages, are not complete, and are not always accurate, and at times even contradict each other, so it becomes a matter of honest Etymology searching the Scriptures to find the original meaning of many small words. The King James version says, Joshua 24:15 “And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.” But the Hebrew says, Joshua 24:15 “And if it seem evil unto you to serve Jehovah, choose you this day whom you will serve; whether associations associate Elohim which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or associations associate Elah of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell, but as for me and my house, we will serve Jehovah.” And the Greek LXX says, Joshua 24:15 “And if it seem evil unto you to serve Kurios, choose you this day whom you will serve; whether Tous Theous which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or Tous Theous of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve Kurios.” And the Latin says, Joshua 24:15 “ sin autem malum vobis videtur ut Domino serviatis optio vobis datur eligite hodie quod placet cui potissimum servire debeatis utrum diis quibus servierunt patres vestri in Mesopotamia an diis Amorreorum in quorum terra habitatis ego autem et domus mea serviemus Domino.” To the English speaking people, I ask, which Lord do you follow, Jehovah or other Adonai, since your Bibles translate them both as Lord? And to the Greek speaking people, I ask, which Kurios do you follow, Jehovah or other Adonai, since your Bibles translate them both as Kurios? And to the Latin speaking people, I ask, which Domino do you follow, Jehovah or other Adonai, since your Bibles translate them both as Domino? Both Monotheists and Polytheists Religions in the past have made up their own definitions for the names of God, and they both have added and or subtracted words from the original languages in different scripture texts at times, to try to make the scriptures fit their own definitions of the names for God, but wherever they change a scripture, that scripture either contradicts other clear verses on the subject, or contradicts other translations that were done in the same language, or were done in other languages. The people with Trinitarian Doctrines, Dualist Doctrines, and Oneness Doctrines, often use the exact same scripture texts, with different interpretations, to verify their own position that opposes the others. So my solution is, not to take sides on their scriptural interpretations, and turn to Jehovah, and to his promised Messiah, and ask them, what is the interpretation of these words that Jehovah originally had men speak and write? But now people make up their own definitions to describe Elohists, and Jehovists or Yahwist, and Adonai-ist, and they argue a lot about it, and they miss entirely what their Maker has lovingly been trying to teach them all along. In my writings I use the name “Jehovah” for the Hebrew name of our Creator, because believe it or not, “Jehovah” was originally pronounced close to “Yahweh,” in its German pronunciation, and the same is true in Latin, and the spelling “Jehovah,” is far more familiar to people in many languages, than the spelling “Yahweh.” The major theological battle between Elohists and Jehovists, for millennia, is, what is the meaning of the plural Hebrew name “Elohim,” for which most Elohists say that it is a secret? And some of them question who came first, “Elohim,” or “Jehovah?” But the real question is, do you bow to the Holy Creation, or are you personally acquainted with our Holy Creator? Here is a clue that can be verified by many Hebrew scriptures, Jehovah our Creator created Elohim as Spirit Angels, and as a shadow of Prophecy of his uniquely begotten Son, Elohim made man in their image, male and female, you are Elohim too. Your English Bibles will not be able to help you much, in understanding the meanings of the Hebrew words, “Jehovah, Adonai, Adown, Elohim, Elah, and El. The 1611 translators of the King James Version, often translated Elohim, Elah, and El, as a singular “God,” like Latin also did translating them as a singular forms of “Deus,” and they often translated the Hebrew words “Jehovah, Adonai, and Adown,“ all the same, translating them all as the same English word, “Lord,” like the Greek often translated them all as the same Greek word forms of, “Kurios,” and like the Latin often translated them all as the same Latin word forms of, “Dominus.“ And most modern sects of Jews will not help you much in that respect either, because they will not use the Hebrew name for Jehovah, for fear of defiling his name, so they use the other Hebrew names that are often used of his promised Messiah too, and of his people too, instead of using his name Jehovah. Though at times in translation it is necessary to use two or more words to make up the equivalent meaning of a word in the original language, the 1611 translators of the King James Version, also often added unnecessary English words to their version, for which there are no Hebrew or Aramaic or Greek or Latin words, in the scriptures that they were translating from, or at times they left words in the original languages untranslated, or they often translated the same Hebrew or Aramaic or Greek word into many different English words, and they often translated many different Hebrew words, or many different Aramaic words, or many different Greek words, into the same English word. The 1611 translators of the King James Version, also used the Greek 1550 Textus Receptus Text for the New Testament, which has quite a few alterations, and the alterations often contradict other portions of the Textus Receptus Text itself. The Greek Byzantine Majority Text, is more accurate compared to the Aramaic Texts, than the 1550 Textus Receptus Text. The 1611 translators of the King James Version, often did these things just to assist them in their battle against the Roman Catholic Church, because the Catholics had translated their English version mostly from Latin, and it says almost the same thing as the Church of England‘s KJV in most places, KJV just contradicted the Catholic Version in some places. But both translations fail to accuratly translate the meaning of the Hebrew and Greek names of God, and who they are named upon. And as a results, for several generations the English people called of God, have not known the true meanings and power of the names for God. The plural Hebrew name, “Elohim,“ and the singular Hebrew names “Elah” and “El,” are always used when there is a leader, working with a follower or followers, and they may both be good or evil. The King James Version says in Exodus 3:15, “And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.” But English totally left the true name of our Creator hidden by translating “Jehovah” as “Lord,“ the same as they translate “Adonai,” which is used of anyone in authority. And some of the words translated “God,” in this verse, are translated from the plural Hebrew name, “Elohim,” and some of the words translated “God,” are translated from the singular Hebrew name, “Elah.” The Greek LXX translated from Hebrew about 130 BC, often used a singular class article, “Ho,“ with the singular word “Theos,” for the plural Hebrew name “Elohim,“ and often used the singular word “Theos,” without an article, for the singular names, “Elah,“ and “El.” This is how I knew that unlike the 1008 AD Hebrew Text, the Hebrew Text used to make the Greek LXX around 130 BC, must have used the plural Hebrew name “Elohim,” for the first two usages, and the singular Hebrew name “Elah,” for the last three usages in Exodus 3:15. If we use the Hebrew word “Elohim” for the plural name “Elohim,’ instead of the singular word “God,“ and use the word “God” where the Hebrew uses the singular names “Elah” or “El,” reading the context of the words will give you a better idea of their original meanings. So a more accurate understanding of Exodus 3:15 would be; “And said Elohim moreover with Moses, Thus shall you say unto the sons of Israel, Jehovah Elohim of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.” Jehovah often spoke to Abraham and Isaac and Jacob by way of his Spirit Angels named Elohim. Though “Elohim” may be used for any God and his Angels and his people working together, the name Jehovah tells you which God and his Angels and his people are working together. Jesus revealed to Israel that he followed Jehovah and his Elohim, and that one exists Jehovah, in Mark. But you could not tell that from the English translation. And watch how in some English Bibles the scribe appears to change Jesus’s word, from “Jehovah” to “God,” the way KJV translated the text quote of the scribe, contradicts many of the clear verses that say that there are Gods, but one is our Creator, and is the Father of our Lord Jesus. All the Byzantine Greek Texts Omit the word “Theos,” in the scribes answer in verse 32, and in the language that Jesus spoke, the Pe....ta or Aramaic Texts do not have the word for God or for Jehovah in verse 32 either, and Jerome’s 405 AD Latin Text omits them also, and it is most likely right that the scribe did not repeat the name Jehovah, because most Jewish scribes would not pronounce the name of our Creator, and that is where someone wanting to promote their theology, took advantage of the scribe omitting the name Jehovah, and inserted the name “Theos” instead, into some Greek texts, so here is what King James says, and a better translation. King James says in Mark 12:28-34 28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: 30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. 31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. 32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: 33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices. 34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question. A more accurate understanding of Mark 12:28-34 would be, 28 And came one of the scribes hearing their questions, knowing related good to them, his answers, asked him, what exists first of all commandments? 29 That also Jesus answered him, related first of all the commandments, Hear Israel, Jehovah’s Elohim ours, one exists Jehovah. 30 And loving Jehovah the Elohim yours, of all the heart yours, and of all the soul yours, and of all the mind yours, and of all the strength yours, itself is the first commandment, 31 And second like itself, loving the neighbor yours alike yourself, greater than these, another commandment does not exist. 32 And said to him the scribe, good, Master upon truth said related, one exists, and not exists another beside him. 33 And to love him of all the heart, and of all the understanding, and of all the soul, and of all the strength, and that loving the neighbor alike himself, greater exits, than of all the burnt offerings and sacrifices. 34 And when Jesus saw he related discreetly the answer, he said to him, not far are from the Kingdom Elohim‘s, and nobody dare ask him any more. Here I will supply the name that he left out, to show that there is a big difference in saying, “Master upon truth said related, one exists Jehovah, and not exists another beside him,” and what the false statement says, “Master upon truth said related, one exists God, and not exists another beside him,” because as the Scriptures say elsewhere, you are Gods, Sons of the Most High, other Gods exist besides him. Many other versions add pronouns and other words that are not in the original languages, and translate verse 32 as, “And the scribe said to him, Truly, Master, you have well said that he is one, and there Is no other but he:” The King James Version says in Exodus 7:1; “ And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.” But the words “a god” could not be translated from the plural Hebrew name, “Elohim,” like the 1008 AD Hebrew Text has the plural name ”Elohim.” The Greek LXX translated in 130 BC and the copies made from it, used a singular, “Theos,” with no class article, meaning a “God,” so the Hebrew Text that KJV and the Greek LXX was originally translated from had to have a singular form, “Elah,” or the KJV translators went with the Greek LXX and not the 1008 AD Hebrew Text. With the leader Jehovah working with Moses, Moses is the follower, and with Moses as God to the enemy Pharaoh, and as God working with Aaron the follower, this is a shadow of Jehovah working in his Son, and the Son working in the church. Moses is not the Creator Jehovah, but the name God is named upon him. A more accurate understanding of Exodus 7:1 would be, “ And Jehovah said with Moses, See, I have made you God to Pharaoh: and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.” Jesus was nearly stoned for revealing that he is the uniquely begotten Son of God, because the Jews knew that the name God is named upon the Sons of God, but Jesus reminded them that the name God is named upon anyone to whom the word of God comes. Jesus is not the Creator Jehovah, but the name God is named upon him, the same as it is named upon you, if you believe God’s word, that does not make you a part of the Creator Jehovah, that just makes you one of his Sons named a God, but unlike Jesus whom is the Most High God‘s only uniquely begotten Son, you are adopted to the Most High God as Sons, by the Spirit of adoption that pertains to all Israel. John 10:32-39 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shown you from my Father; for which of those works do you stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God. 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, You are Gods? 35 If he called them Gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say you of him, whom the Father has sanctified, and sent into the world, You blaspheme; because I said, I am the Son of God? 37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not. 38 But if I do, though you believe not me, believe the works: that you may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him. 39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand, At places in the Scriptures, the English appears to say that God did evil, or it appears that God is doing something that a man does, or it appears that the Prophets were telling God to rise and do something, some not knowing the meaning of the name Elohim say that these are figures of speech called Condescension, but in most places where they exist, if you understood that you are named Elohim, you would see that the Prophets were speaking of you not of God himself. Psalm 82 says in the King James Version, “1 A Psalm of Asaph God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. 2 How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. 3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. 5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course. 6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. 8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.” A better understanding of Psalm 82 is, 1 A Psalm of Asaph. Elohim stands in the congregation of God, he judges among the Elohim. 2 How long will you judge injustices, and assume the person of the wicked? Selah. 3 Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. 4 Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. 5 They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the founders of earth are out of course. 6 I have said, You are Elohim; and all of you Sons of the most High. 7 But you shall die like men, and alike the first prince fallen. 8 Arise, O Elohim, judge the earth: for you shall inherit all nations. English Bibles contradict themselves one sentence after another, because the translators are either ignorant of the original meanings of small words, or they deliberately teach error because they would rather teach their theology instead of the truth. In 1 Corinthians 8:4-5 in most English Bibles verse 4 contradicts verse 5, verse 4 in English says “that there is none other God but one.” But verse five says, “as there be gods many, and lords many.” And in verse 6,they totally mistranslate it, trying to make sense out of the contradiction of verses 4 and 5. I will show you a better understanding of verse 4-6 after you read the context in KJV. The King James Version says in 1 Corinthians 8:4-13 4 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one. 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. A more accurate understanding of what Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 8:4-13 “4 About eating then the offerings unto Idols, knowing the Idol related nothing within the Cosmos, and related no God other, if not one, 5 and because there exists those called Gods, whether within heaven, whether upon the earth, as exists Gods many, and Lords many, 6 but to us one God the Father of whom these all, and we unto him, and one Lord Jesus Christ for these all, and we for him, 7 but not within each this acquaintance, some also conscious of the Idol until now, alike offerings unto Idols eats, and than the conscience of him being weak, is defiled, 8 by meats also we are not yielded to God, neither because if we eat, abounds, neither if we do not eat, lacks, 9 See also lest this authority of ours itself, a stumbling stone becomes to those weak, 10 if because any see you, having acquaintance within the Idol’s Temple laying, cannot the conscience of him being weak, build unto that these offerings unto Idols eats? 11 And destroys the weak brother upon that you acquainted, for whom Christ died? 12 Thus also sinning unto those brothers, and smiting them, the conscience weakening unto Christ sinning, 13 wherefore if meat offends the brother of mine, no, cannot eat flesh unto the age of ages, so that cannot the brother of mine offend. “ Love and prayers Joseph
  13. “Jehovah of hosts has sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass, and as I have purposed, so shall it stand.” In the prophesies revealed by Jehovah unto his Apostles and Prophets in times of old, Spirit Jehovah counted those things that were then, as though they did not exist, and Spirit Jehovah counted those things that did not exist then, as though they had already existed, when he had his Apostles and Prophets speak and record his prophecy in writing for us, and we yet look for many of his promises to become manifest. Before it began to come to pass, David said by Holy Spirit, “Jehovah said unto my Adown, sit you here at my right, until I set your enemies to stool your feet,” and now with his Son Jesus our Adown seated at his right hand, Jehovah of hosts impregnates our minds and our hearts, with the new thoughts from Jesus the Christ within us, establishing Jehovah’s thoughts reveled in times past, fulfilled in us, as he brings each thought to pass, within his predetermined time and season, and Jehovah of hosts reveals unto us in his High Priest Jesus Christ, what he has purposed, so that we may stand upon his infallible will that he purposed. After the former heavens and earth and ancient man perished, when the first modern man was made as shadow of the Son, Spirit Jehovah did the making, and the Spirit Angels helped and did the protecting, as a shadow of prophecy of the second Adam, but an evil Spirit Angel called the serpent lured the first Adam into sinning, by deceiving Eve to take and eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and she gave it to her husband and he did eat. And Adam begot children in his own fallen image, passing on the original sin upon all mankind, and in the second Adam, Spirit Jehovah was with the virgin espoused to Joseph, and they were both of the house of David, and the Spirit Angel spoke to Mary, “behold, you shall conceive in your womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name Jesus. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest, and Jehovah God shall give unto him the throne of David, of the Father of him, and he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever, and of his Kingdom there shall be no end,” and Spirit Holy came upon her, and the ability of the Highest overshadowed her, and begot his Son, the Son of the Highest, and the good Spirit Angels did the protecting, and the evil Spirit Angels attempted to deceive the second Adam, but failed, because Jesus was obedient unto Spirit Jehovah unto death, so that like as by one man, sin came upon all, even upon those that did not do the act of sin, like Adam did, now by Jehovah resurrecting Jesus from among the dead, and seating him at his own right hand, seating Jesus in the throne of David, by the obedience of this one man, by grace and mercy the free gift comes for the remission of the original sin, upon all and within all that believe unto the belief of Jesus in their hearts, even upon those that did many acts of sins, and by grace and mercy by the free gift comes the forgiveness of sins, upon all that believe unto the belief of Jesus in their hearts. Called by the grace and mercy of Jehovah, while dead in trespasses and sin, having our sin remitted by the blood of Christ, being freely justified by the free gift of the belief of Jesus within us, not justified by works of the law, shall we continue is sin? God forbid, we should respond with thankfulness and believing energized by love, and believe unto the belief of Jesus within us, and walk even as he walked. The price that must be paid for sin is death, but Jehovah our Redeemer, paid the price required for our sin, redeeming us not with the blood of animals, but with the blood of his uniquely begotten Son Jesus. Jehovah is just and the Justifier of all who believe in Jesus, and are baptized in his name for the remission of the original sin, when they receive the gift of Holy Spirit, the gift of the belief of Jesus within us, upon all and within all that believe unto the belief of Jesus in their hearts. Have you not heard that Jehovah is light, and in him is no darkness at all? If we say that we have fellowship with Jehovah, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, Jehovah is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. These things I write unto you, that you sin not, but if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous, and Jesus is the payment for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby acquaint that we are acquainted with Jesus, if we keep his commandments. He that says, I am acquainted with Jesus, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keeps his word, in him truly is the love of God perfected, hereby acquaint we that we are in Jesus. He that says he abides in Jesus ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. Jesus said, “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets, I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of heaven, but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the Kingdom of heaven.” “And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever, and of his Kingdom there shall be no end.” Who cast stumbling stones before the children of Israel?
  14. Looking back in history all the religious writings and doctrines prior to Abraham, did not use the names of the Most High, God Almighty or Jehovah, that were not known unto men, until the name God Almighty was revealed first unto Abraham, and then later the name Jehovah was first revealed unto Moses. The men before the flood of Noah could not have used these names, so why did Moses write Genesis as if they did use these names? I got what I believe is the right answer through much prayer and study. Check it out for yourself. Exodus 3:1-3 “Then Jehovah said with Moses, Now shall you see what I will do to Pharaoh: for by a strong hand shall he let them go, and by a strong hand shall he drive them out of his land. And Elohim spoke with Moses, and said with him, I am Jehovah: And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.” The name of the Most High was God Almighty in Abraham‘s time, but before him in all the religions, all the Angels and men under the Most High, were named after the Most High like in Hebrew later. And because the Most High had promised the whole earth that he would send his uniquely begotten Son to redeem man from the original sin of Adam, whom was made, and later was called in Hebrew, the Son of Elohim, which means the Son of God Almighty and his Angels. They all looked for the second Adam whom would be begotten by the Most High and be protected by his Angels, not being made like the first Adam was. And from the flood of Noah onward, many nations all speaking the same language began to err in the vision, and began to build a tower with the hope that the top would reach up into the heavens, and the Most High confounded the people so that they began speaking different languages. And in each language they developed different names for the Most High and his promised Son that would be begotten by him and be under the protection of his Spirit Angels, and many nations worshipped these hosts of heaven as trinities, with different names as if the promised Son had already became flesh, and in each language their doctrine would be translated as, God the Father and God the Son and God the Spirit, each nation calling them by their own names. Then as many nations began to err in the promise of the Most High Spirit revealing his Son by his Spirit Angels in Angelic visions, and the nations began to worship these hosts of heaven as trinities, God Almighty appeared unto Abram, and told him to come out from among his brethren. And God Almighty named Abram, Abraham, and Abraham begot Isaac, and Isaac begot Esau and Jacob, and Jacob begot twelve sons, and from Jacob’s third son Levi, eventually Moses was born, and God Almighty revealed his name Jehovah unto Moses when he delivered the children of Israel from Egypt, and from Jacob’s fourth son Judah, eventually Jesus was born, and suffered and died, and was resurrected and ascended up into heaven as Lord and Christ. But the heirs by birthright come from Jacob’s eleventh Son Joseph, and the Fellowheirs of our inheritance come from Jacob’s twelfth Son Benjamin, these two being Rachel‘s children. In the 1008 AD Hebrew text, it appears Moses in his writings deliberately used the name Jehovah in places in place of the Most High, and in places in place of the name God Almighty, whose name Jehovah was not known by men before Moses, and it appears that Moses deliberately used the plural Hebrew name Elohim in other places, which includes both God Almighty and the Angels good or evil. From the quotes of the Old testament that Jesus and the Apostles quoted, the 1008 AD Hebrew text is close to what they had in the first century. So I believe some of the different texts written by the Elohists and Jehovists, were made up by them to support their own theologies. Primarily some Elohists take a Trinitarian view, or others more Gods than one to worship, and the Jehovists stand in opposition to that, and make Jehovah the Most High God of Gods, and others do away with all Gods but Jehovah in their texts, like Islam does away with all Gods but Allah. But I believe the truth is in the middle like the 1008 AD Hebrew text has it, and I believe some of the Jehovists of the second millennia church were on to the truth. In Moses’s writing the plural Elohim made man in their image, meaning God Almighty did the creating, and the good Angels did the protecting, as a shadow of prophecy of the second Adam, but the evil angels did the deceiving of the first Adam, and in the conception of Jesus, Spirit Jehovah begot Jesus, and the Angels protected Mary and Jesus, and when Jesus grew up, he faced the evil Angels deception and temptations and overcame them, so the evil Angels swayed people to hate and kill him. But Jehovah resurrected him and poured him out as the promised Spirit of Salvation. What does the Old Testament have to do with today? Not only was Jesus the promised second Adam, but the first Enoch, the seventh from Adam, is prophecy of a second Enoch that will stand, saying, “The Lord comes with ten thousand of his saints, to take vengeance upon the ungodly.” Read the book of Jude and see for yourself. The saints have not yet been resurrected, but will be before the second Enoch sees death. And what about the church as the second Eve? Was the church deceived by the serpent like Eve was? Did the church beget children that followed the way of Cain and his children? Did the church beget children that followed the way of Abel and were killed? These two children of Eve are not counted in the bloodline from Adam unto Enoch, the seventh from Adam. Where does the first and second millennia church fit, do we start with Cain and Able, or do we start with Seth and Enos? Moses wrote that when Enos was born, then men began to call upon the name Jehovah, but the name Jehovah was not known unto men, until Moses, so in the time of the first Enos, they could not have called upon the name Jehovah, but the great theological battles between the Elohists and Jehovists began the second millennia church. Look at history for yourself. I will stand upon Cainan, the third from Adam, as the third millennia church. In the past century, many in many languages looked for the beginning of the third reign of the Lord Jesus Christ to begin, the third reign that will last a thousand years. Jesus said, “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” Take a look back at the first two millennia since the resurrection of Jesus, and compare each millennia with the first two churches of the scroll of Revelations. These two churches fit the first two millennia to a T! As you read the first church, take a look back to the first millennia where True Apostles stood against False Apostles for a millennia, and the second paradise from the third heaven was revealed unto the first millennia church that truly believed. The Apostle Paul was the messenger of the church of Ephesus. Paul wrote in Corinthians, “It is not expedient for me doubtless to glory. I will come to visions and revelations of the Lord. I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knows;) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities.” This first church also corresponds to the prophecy of the first day recorded in Genesis. Now read Revelations. Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things says he that holds the seven stars in his right hand, who walks in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks; I know your works, and your labor, and your patience, and how you can not bear them which are evil: and you have tried them which say they are apostles, and are not, and have found them liars: And have borne, and have patience, and for my name’s sake have labored, and have not fainted. Nevertheless I have somewhat against you, because you have left your first love. Remember therefore from whence you are fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto you quickly, and will remove your candlestick out of his place, except you repent. But this you have, that you hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says unto the churches; To him that overcomes will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Thee tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God in the third heaven, revealed to the first millennia church, is still available, and in the second millennia church revealed, those who eat of the tree of life will not be hurt of the second death, but as you read the second church, look back over the last millennia at the number of battles that there were between True Jews and False Jews. And this second church also corresponds to the prophecy of the second day recorded in Genesis. Now read Revelations And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things says the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive; I know your works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but you are rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things which you shall suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that you may be tried; and you shall have tribulation ten days: be you faithful unto death, and I will give you a crown of life. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says unto the churches; He that overcomes shall not be hurt of the second death. Now for the first time since before the carry away into Babylon, Israel has been established as a state, and now like the first two millennia, true Israel will stand against false Israel for a millennia. This third church also corresponds to the prophecy of the third day recorded in Genesis. Now read Revelations. And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things says he which has the sharp sword with two edges; I know your works, and where you dwell, even where Satan’s seat is: and you hold fast my name, and have not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwells. But I have a few things against you, because you have there them that hold the doctrine of Balaam, who taught Balac to cast a stumblingblock before the children of Israel, to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit fornication. So have you also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate. Repent; or else I will come unto you quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth. He that has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says unto the churches; To him that overcomes will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knows saving he that receives it. I have seen the vision where I eat the hidden manna, laboring and eating hand to mouth, and I have in that vision the two edged sword of his mouth. But this new Pope in Rome, was set up by Pope John Paul the second, and selected by his appointed Bishops, to make it look like he was faithful to God during the days of Hitler, who stood for the then reigning Pope, standing against all trying to kill the Jews, and committed suicide, Hitler spoke about the third Reign, but it is doubtful that he was the faithful martyr Antipas. And with this new German Pope continuing to teach to eat things sacrificed unto idols, and to commit spiritual fornication with Mary and other Gods, it is doubtful that he is Antipas or the messenger of the third millennia church. And them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which means, “the destruction of people,” done in the names of God, it is doubtful the men of war killing in the names of God will deliver the third millennia church. O Pope in Rome, which man named Joseph, got his visions from the Most High, you or I. I will continue on the next post. Love and prayers Joseph
  15. Prior to Moses, the name of the Most High God was not known unto men. Exodus 3:1-3 “Then Jehovah said with Moses, Now shall you see what I will do to Pharaoh: for by a strong hand shall he let them go, and by a strong hand shall he drive them out of his land. And Elohim spoke with Moses, and said with him, I am Jehovah: And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.” This later sparked a great theological battle in the Hebrew world that continues unto this day, some broke off writing Hebrew texts that say Jehovah came first, and others broke off writing Hebrew texts that say Elohim came first. A long with wars that broke out between the Hebrew speaking Israelites and the Greek speaking Israelites, because the Greek text translated from Hebrew, translated both the name “Jehovah,” that is used only when referring to our Creator, and the title “Adown” that is used of any man or Spirit that has authority, they translated both words into Greek as “Kurios,” making the Greek text appear to say something altogether different in places, than the original Hebrew. The Latin people translated from Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, long before Jerome’s complete 405 AD text, and the Latin people caused more losses of the meaning of the words “Jehovah, Adown, El, Elah, and Elohim,” as the believers that new that their names were “Gods and Lords,” from Hebrew and Greek, were often hunted down, and were executed on the spot, or were thrown into lions dens in Rome. Then another rose also in direct conflict with the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek, Apostles and Prophets, and this new amateur theologian also taught contrary to the truth that says when Jehovah gives you a personal call from his own mouth, you are Gods, Sons of the Most High. His name was Mohamed, whom taught in Arabic that there is no God but Allah, and he said that there are no Sons of God, and he reduced Jesus to being just another prophet born by the protection of the Angel Gabriel. The Arabic word “Il, comes from the Hebrew word “El,” which is singular for any God, and the Arabic name “Allah,” has the Arabic article, making it, “The God,” which in Hebrew is “HaElah.” Ever since Jesus came, the theological world on all sides, has endeavored to defame and overthrow anyone that believes that they are a God or Lord, or believes that they are a Son of God. Also, both the terms “Son of God,” and “Son of man,” are used of anyone that believes the Most High God, and of Jesus the uniquely begotten Son of God. The plural Hebrew name “Elohim,’ is named upon all the living creation, good or evil, to include our Creator, but the name “Jehovah,” is sanctified for our Creator alone. The singular Hebrew names “El, and Elah,’ is named upon each of the living creation, good or evil, to include our Creator. The Hebrew titles derived from “Adown,’ refer to any man or Spirit in a position of authority, to include our Creator. The 1008 AD Hebrew text from which most of our printed Hebrew texts are made, is not always accurate. I am using notes from different Hebrew texts, that have notes that seem to make places fit the context of all the scriptures better, and I compare the notes with the copies of the Greek LXX that was first translated into Greek around 130 BC. And I compare these with the Pe....ta or Aramaic translations that were made at different times of history. And I compare all of these with Latin copies that were made from Jerome’s 405 AD Latin text. None of the Original Hebrew texts of the Old Testament, or its first Aramaic translations, or its first Greek translations, or its first Latin translations, exist today. At best, all we have is copies that each contain some type of errors in them. The same goes for the New Testament Original Aramaic and Greek, and its Latin translations. Victor Paul Wierwille in his Power for Abundant Living class went totally past the arguments between the Elohists who say Elohim came first, and the Jehovists who say Jehovah came first, by going to and quoting Genesis 1:1, “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth,” and says that settles the argument! But with the plural name Elohim named upon Jehovah, man good or evil, and Angels good or evil, the English Bibles translated using the Latin text as a model for translating Hebrew, does not say what the original Hebrew or the translated Greek says. With the plural name Elohim named upon Jehovah and the Angels good or evil, the beginning of modern man makes more sense if you translate it as, “And said Jehovah and the Angels, let us make man in our image, according to our likeness.“ The Hebrew word “Bara” does not mean “Creavit” like the Latin text has it, or “Created” like the English texts have it. It is always used in Hebrew as. “to make the last cut” of anything, in other words, it is “finished.”. Such as, “Elohim finished man in their own image, male and female,“ Jehovah being the male part and the Angels that come out of him, being the female part of Elohim, “the last cut“ on man, finished him as the male and the woman as the female that came out of him. Like the word “Bara“ is used as “dispatch” in Ezekiel 23:47 “And the company shall stone them with stones, and dispatch them with their swords;” correctly translated “finish them with their swords.” With the plural name Elohim named upon Jehovah and the Angels good or evil, a more accurate translation of the Hebrew of the first day recorded in Genesis would be, “Within the beginning finished Jehovah and the Angels associate the heavens and associate the earth, and than earth clash invisibleness and untenanted, and darkness surface the wakes, and Spirit of God from the brood surface the waters, and said Jehovah and the Angels, birth Light, and birth Light, and saw Jehovah and the Angels associate the Light that related good, and divided Jehovah and the Angels among between the Light and among between the darkness, and called Jehovah and the Angels the Light day, and called the darkness night, and birth evening, and birth morning, day first.” In chapter one verse two of Genesis, in some Hebrew and Greek texts, the word for “God” is singular, suggesting that there was none left alive but Spirit Jehovah after the Devil whom is called the God of the earth, used earth to destroy everything. Like Jehovah says elsewhere, “I Jehovah alone stilled the waters, no Elohim with me.” Jehovah is Light, and Lucifer whose name means Light bearer, he and his followers failed to birth or manifest Light from within themselves, and Lucifer became the Prince of darkness, and was a murder from the beginning, when he used earth to destroy everything, about seven thousand years ago, and he murdered himself and all the creation with him. And Jehovah resurrected the Angels good and evil as a shadow of the resurrections of the just and the unjust, and he reformed this heavens and earth in six days, and rested on the seventh day, as a shadow of new heavens and earth, and he used the destruction of the former heavens and earth, as a shadow of prophecy of the destruction of this heaven and earth which will be destroyed by fire not by water like the former 2 Peter 3:3-7 “Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.” Dealing with the name Elohim named upon Angeles good or evil, and named upon man good or evil, where did the tradition of placing Bell towers upon church buildings come from? Originally they would build a tower overlooking the community, and a Trumpeter would blow a Trumpet or Pipe, or a Harp, at certain times of the day, to let the people know what time it was, like time for prayer. And they would designate certain Trumpet blasts, or certain sounds, to warn the people of an impending attack from an enemy. And they would designate certain Trumpet blasts, or certain sounds, for other things, like a call to put out a fire, or the calls to prayer, or a call to wake up the people whom were the church, for Mass meetings in a building which later became called a church. And this why Paul says, “And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? So likewise you, except you utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for you shall speak into the air.” As time went on, the Trumpet or Pipe or Harp was replaced with Bells, because the Bell ringer did not have to climb the tower to blow a Trumpet or Pipe or Harp, all he had to do was pull a rope to ring the Bells in certain chimes for certain things that all the people of the community knew. You will find many examples of writing that accuses those that used Bells in their towers, as being Pagans, because they would ring the Bells to wake up the Gods for Mass, but these people that were accused of being Pagans, most often believed that their names were Gods and Lords, like Jehovah says we are Gods and Lords, and the Bells were to wake up the people named Gods and Lords for Mass. Their enemies often hunted for them, and they were often executed on the spot, or were thrown into the Gladiator dens of Rome and other places. And from there came many legends and myths of how the Gods fought to save themselves. By stripping the names Gods and Lords off the people and off Angels, theologians could convince the people to pray to the rulers themselves, or to the dead, and become the very Pagans that they accused the true believers of being. Because dead or alive, Jehovah calls all the people and the Angels good or evil, Gods and Lords, and says to worship and serve no other God and Lord, than Jehovah, and he says to believe upon his uniquely begotten Son as his promised salvation. Unto this day men still designate Godparents and Godchildren, and we that believe Jehovah, do not worship or serve any Godparent, or Godchild, or Godson, or Goddaughter, dead or alive, what about the Godchild Jesus? Spirit Jehovah begot his promised Son as flesh and blood to die for us, and glorified the resurrected Son as Spirit Lord Jesus, his promised Messiah, and Jehovah replaced Spirit Lucifer with his uniquely begotten Son, and put all the Spirit Angels in subjection to him, and poured out Spirit Lord Jesus to redeem from Spirit Lucifer and his followers, the Spirit of men that receive his Son, and Jehovah redeemed them with the blood of his Son, as Gods and Lords, Sons of the Most High, and seeing that all the Spirits are named Gods and Lords, we receive the Spirit Lord Jesus as High Priest of the Most High, and we worship and serve none other, but the Most High Spirit and God and Lord and King named Jehovah, and in the end time all who looked for the first coming of the Lord Jesus, and all who received his resurrected glory within after his ascension, and looked for his second coming, will replace Lucifer and his followers, and serve as Spirit Angels serving Spirit Jehovah.. I will continue on the next post PS Sorry about the typing errors in the previous posts, I can’t see well enough to catch them normally, unless I increase the font size first. Love and prayers Joseph
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