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I think they did it one more year .. in 1976 ... but I decided to take that summer off ... got a lot of flak from Mick** Mahaff**, the College Ambassador coordinator, on that one, but I stuck to my guns ... enjoyed it fully ... and we did get TWO people into the class that summer in my hometown ... just by hanging out with them and having fun ...

TF

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Thanks ... please private message me ... I would like to buy it if it's a reasonable price.

Here's a possible answer: when I was on interim Corps staff at TWI HQ in 1983-84, we were told we did not have to ABS out of our measly $100 a month (nor did any of the other folks on Staff, as I recall) ... the thought was: if you are being paid on a need basis, then why should they go to the trouble of adding an extra 15% of your salary just so you could give it back to those who gave it to you. I would be willing to bet that Craig is still receiving some money from the Way, and there would be no need for him to ABS out of that, according to their own policy.

Don't know if things have changed since then, but maybe others who were on Staff after 1984 could speak to that question ...

Were any of you out there WONC Ambassadors? Just curious where and when you were ... I was, in:

1973: High Point

1974: Albemarle

1975: Shelby

TF

Thirty years ago, I was just finishing my third summer as a "Word Over North Carolina" Ambassador --- that summer in Shelby, NC, having taken the PFAL Class during high school in 1972 ... just ready to start my junior year at UNC-Chapel Hill after a great year as a College WOW.

I would do it all again ... but [ideally] not with all the mistakes this time, and I would not put up with folks that treated me as a second-class citizen, for whatever reason.

TF

Digger,

Are you Digger the Dermatophite I have seen on television? Guess not ... you're a fun GUY, and not a fun-gus...

Sorry...couldn't resist ...I live in a pond of puns ...

TF

I am looking for a book written by a fellow who was in the Way in the early 1980s ... it is called THE RESCUE, and the author's last name was McGee ... but I don't remember his first name. Does anyone have a copy of this book or know what the author's first name is? (I can't even find it on ebay or amazon.com without the first name.) Thanks.

TF

...and all the Way songs (sung in a minor chord) have to be sung to a DIFFERENT TUNE than the ones they originally were written with ... followed by a sharing of someone talking about how "lucky" they were to have solved a "problem" in their lives.

Worst of all, they would have to eat their mints whole (GASP! HORRORS!).

TF

I, too, was quite relieved not to spend every August in the sweltering heat and nasty mud of that Ohio cornfield ... I liked the ROAs up until about 1977, but after that I could take them or leave them ...

TF

A true jacka**, Jim D**r (probably still in somewhere in western NC) had a whole list of rules posted for his children on the fridge about every detail of their lives ... even to what snacks at what time of day ... usually had nasty coffee-breath and had the nerve to complain he had been gaining weight because he was eating too many home-baked cookies while living off the believers' dimes during the all-Corps-no-matter-how-worthless-shall-be-salaried period. What a loser...

TF

Amen, Brother...people are people and GOD is GOD. Doesn't do us well in life to confuse the two ...

TF

I took that class ... even bought a book he recommended and got most of his information from ... it was a book I have since gotten rid of .. had the names and history of lots of folks in the spirit world, as well as the descriptions of lots of devilish sorts of acts practiced in the occult. Weird class, that.

I still have about 50 pages of notes I took from it ... very odd stuff ... spirits by name with sense-knowledge ways you can "discern" what they are.

TF (who is also a packrat)

Found him! Thanks ...

TF

Jonny Lingo: Thanks for sharing your story. I agree that God, who created the heavens and the Earth, must surely be able to answer a prayer without having someone come late (sorry, Oakspear, I just think God's timing is too perfect for your explanation). I think you put very well the way I feel ...

TF

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Originally posted by Catcup:

The people who know their higher-ups are screwed up and try to stay to "protect" the people under them, are bound up in error, good though their hearts may be. Their efforts are thwarted for the most part, because they are not only misled, but are misleading others.

Rather than leading their flock away from danger, they are actually shepherding them right into into the wolf's den and trying to protect them there.

AND

Those fears are what make people stay in there and try to fix the devil's house with the tools he's loaned them-- while he sits back and howls with laughter.

Very well put, Catcup, very well put.

Friend of the Cat as well as the Toad,

TF

Is it possible that VPW meant the WAY CORPS PROGRAM and not the individuals in it when he said the Corps could just die .. it had already "died" once (the Zero Corps) ... not that I am defending the Corps... my time in it had the highs and lows of my life, all within a three year period, with many more lows than highs ... just a thought.

TF

THANKS! Yep, that's the same one!

TF

Suz ... just e-mail me the information at poohpal525@hotmail.com ... Thanks, TF

What is CRF?

Inquiring toads want to know...

TF

Chris and Robin (I know they have been divorced for quite a while) were our second Twig Area leaders in my small hometown in NC .. they were sent by Dr. Wierwille there in 1972-73 when he asked the founding folks of the fellowships there to go to New York.

Does anyone know how I can get in touch with Chris? I have talked to Robin's brother, Bill, who still lives in NC, a few years back, but have had no contact with Chris since he and Robin were in the Family Corps years ago.

TF

Stephen Harrison ... running a Chris-Geer type offshoot in eastern North Carolina, I think ... private message me if you have any details ... I have a friend who does not post who is interested in his whereabouts...

TF

At Emporia, the building we ate in was called the Campus Center ... one of the few not named after anyone ... with a normal name ... so easy to forget...

TF

I too am shocked and saddened for Mary Ann and his family. He was a nice fellow. One story I remember about him still makes me smile -- I have a good friend who was in the 12th Corps at the time John was a Limb Coord. for NC ... she is quite beautiful, but did not want to think about getting married ... John convinced her to "start looking" by giving the analogy that it was like shopping .. you want to shop early (for a husband) before all the good ones get gone ... and she did ... she was married within 18 months of that time to a 9th Corps Grad (macmarine) and they have three almost grown children and a pleasant life.

Good advice, John!

TF

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But, I was wondering more about Dottie. She's supposedly got a degree with some kind of emphasis on therapy, right? They went to New Knoxville shortly after college, so she doesn't have any practical "real world" experience

Actually, Dottie did not get her Master's degree in counseling until she was on staff at TWI ... she did not get it in North Carolina ... she got it in Ohio or Indiana while on Staff..many years after she graduated from college, she went back to get it. I think I remember hearing that the Trustees et al. encouraged her to get it so that she WOULD be able to counsel believers ... and they certainly managed to give her an adequate supply.

TF

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What is it called, when a captive becomes sympathetic or even joins the cause of the captor?

They call that the Stockholm Syndrome ... interesting observation .. I had never thought of it that way before ...

TF