Cynic

Happy B-Day, Linda!

TWI taught (teaches?) that the Bride of Christ is the believers at and before the coming of Christ. The Jewish church, if you will. The Revelation scriptures refer to the bride as the (physical) city of Jerusalem.

I am eschatologically too clueless to get into much of an argument about this, but Meredith Kline maintains the New Jerusalem is the glorified church rather than a physical city, and is “imagery of the first level kingdom-city” that is utilized to portray the “glorified church.”

From Kline’s Kingdom Prologue:

According to Hebrews 12:22,23 the believers of premessianic times have, in the new covenant age, at last been made perfect (cf. 11:40) in that they are now, in Christ, in the true heavenly city. This passage also indicates that the Christian believers are united with them in common eschatological community and kingdom inheritance as fellow-citizens of the city of the living God. That kingdom-inheritance of the church of Christ is identified as “mount Zion.” What is thus designated is clearly not the first level mountain and city but “the heavenly Jerusalem.” This use of first level imagery for the second level reality demonstrates again that the relationship between the two levels of kingdom realization is one of typological unity, with a continuity of old succeeded by new. Of like import is the utilization of the imagery of the first level kingdom-city in the picturing of the glorified church, the bride of the Lamb, in its eternal inheritance as the new Jerusalem in Revelation 21:2 and 10. Of special interest for the typological unity of the old and new covenant kingdoms is the fact that combined in the architecture of the eternal city are the twelve gates bearing the names of the twelve tribes of Israel and twelve foundations having on them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb (Rev 21:12-14).

Not analogy then but typology describes the relationship between the two levels of fulfillment of the kingdom-inheritance. They do not stand in parallel to one another but in a linear succession proceeding from the provisional and transient to the perfective and permanent stage of the kingdom. Kingdom level one is identified with the old covenant and level two with the new covenant, and the new covenant is continuous with the old in a successive manner that involves its replacing of the old.

I don’t recognize it, but it's unlikely I have sung or heard anything written by Harry Emerson Fosdick.

This hymn was written by Margaret Clarkson. I am leaving out the first line of each stanza, which is the same for all stanzas. Cyberhymnal.org gives Aurelia as the primary tune, but in a Baptist church I used to attend, it was sung to another -- possibly St. Theodulph, which Cyberhymnal.org gives as alternate music.

The hymn seems strongly Augustinian/Reformed/Calvinistic in content. From what I have found on the internet, it also seems that Margaret Clarkson, who was born in 1915 in Canada, is still living.

http://cyberhymnal.org/mid/a/u/r/aurelia.mid

http://cyberhymnal.org/mid/s/t/t/st_theodulph.mid

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In all the worlds You made;

Your mighty Word was spoken,

And light and life obeyed.

Your voice commands the seasons

And bounds the ocean’s shore,

Sets stars within their courses

And stills the tempests’ roar.

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In all affairs of man;

No powers of death or darkness

Can thwart Your perfect plan.

All chance and change transcending,

Supreme in time and space,

You hold your trusting children

Secure in Your embrace.

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The Lord of human pain,

Transmuting earthly sorrows

To gold of heavenly gain,

All evil overruling,

As none but Conqueror could,

Your love pursues its purpose—

Our souls’ eternal good.

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We see You dimly now,

But soon before Your triumph

Earth’s every knee shall bow.

With this glad hope before us

Our faith springs forth anew:

Our Sovereign Lord and Savior,

We trust and worship You!

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BTW,

Thanks, George.

HEY CYNIC!.............HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YA!..............DESPITE HOW MUCH THERE IS TO BE CYNICAL ABOUT THESE DAYS, MY SINCEREST GOOD WISHES TO YOU ON YOUR BIRTHDAY!........HOPE YOU'VE ENJOYED A GOOD DAY CELEBRATING WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS!.............WISHING YOU MANY MORE, AND...................PEACE.

Thanks......for the kind words, there......'ol chat-room pal!!!

And to the couple of LOVELY chat ladies who PM'd me.

This should be easy for you hymn savants:

Let highborn seraphs tune the lyre, and as they tune it, fall

Before His face Who tunes their choir, and crown Him Lord of all.

Before His face Who tunes their choir, and crown Him Lord of all.

George

"All Hail the Power of Jesus Name"?

Thomas is the hymn savant, not I.

I don't recall ever hearing that hymn, though I see it's in the Trinity Hymnal.

Nice music the hymn is set to:

http://cyberhymnal.org/htm/o/t/othatiha.htm

Looking forward to the next one.

I don't think I have come across the hymn before you posted from it.

WAG: The guy (E. M. Forster) who preened about "pluck."

The hymn is “Creator of the Earth and Sky.”

http://cyberhymnal.org/htm/c/r/creatore.htm

Though I generally dislike hymns produced in the late 1800s and early 1900s (I think it is the awful music to which they are set), the following stanzas are from a hymn that is an exception. The music for this hymn, "St. Denio," however, came from the first half of the 19th century, and doesn't have that Gay 90s triteness that afflicted church music for several decades.

To all, life Thou givest, to both great and small;

In all life Thou livest, the true life of all;

We blossom and flourish as leaves on the tree,

And wither and perish—but naught changeth Thee.

Great Father of glory, pure Father of light,

Thine angels adore Thee, all veiling their sight;

But of all Thy rich graces this grace, Lord, impart

Take the veil from our faces, the vile from our heart.

All laud we would render; O help us to see

’Tis only the splendor of light hideth Thee,

And so let Thy glory, Almighty, impart,

Through Christ in His story, Thy Christ to the heart.

Here are several stanzas from a hymn attributed to Ambrose of Milan I found on Cyberhymnal.org. I have never heard the hymn sung. Cyberhymal.org gives its tune as “St. Gregory.” http://cyberhymnal.org/mid/s/t/g/st_gregory.mid

The hymn seems predominately to be a prayer for God’s protection during sleep:

OK, let's try something more familar to everyone. "Forbid it God, that I should boast in the death Christ, my Lord; all the vain that charm me most, I sacrifice them to His blood." btw, that is the correct original way that stanza read before Trinitarians switched "Lord" and "God". Lyrics are by Issac Watts(3 other stanzas are very familar). Tunes are O Waly Waly(Welsh); Rockingham Old(English); and Hamburg by Lowell Mason. It is this tune that Chris Tomlin added a refrain(that I might die and truly live).

“When I survey the Wondrous Cross”

http://cyberhymnal.org/htm/w/h/e/whenisur.htm

I have read that Watts was suspected of Arianism. I have also read that John Mason Neale opposed hymns written by Watts (and others) on doctrinal grounds, though I do not know what doctrinal issues in Watts's hymns raised Neale's ire.

Sorry to hear this, Ron, but it sounds like you are in a good position for recovery.

Praying, here.

DWBH,

Was “jalvis” arrived at by joining the last syllable of “Elvis” to JAL’s initials, or is using “jalvis” to refer to JAL based on something else?

Oh, yeah. I didn't recognize one of the stanzas to and couldn't remember the first line of "What Child is This" and I'm going to recognize a Scandinavian Lutheran piece. :)

I do like being exposed to hymns I am unfamiliar with, however.

TL,

Thanks for starting this thread. I am praying.

In addition to the others HAP asked about, what about T-Bone and Tonto? I think they live in Texas, but I don’t know if they are in an affected area.

I recalled the words “This, this is Christ the King” being in a hymn (which is sung as a Christmas carol) set to Greensleeves, but I couldn’t remember the first line. I searched for the hymn, and am disqualifying myself, because it turns out that the stanza you posted is part of it.

I do not recall ever hearing or otherwise coming across this hymn.

Thomas,

Thanks for the correction.

You're up.

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Those unfamiliar with the Gloria Patri can see:

http://cyberhymnal.org/htm/g/b/gbttfath.htm

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gloria_Patri

The hymn is “Now Blessèd be the Lord our God.”

http://cyberhymnal.org/htm/n/b/nblessed.htm

Here are some words from another hymn:

As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be,

World without end. Amen, Amen.

The hymn is “Christ of All My Hopes the Ground,” written by Ralph Wardlaw.

http://cyberhymnal.org/htm/c/o/cofallmy.htm

Here’s another one from the Scottish Psalter that is included in some hymnals:

His wide dominion shall extend

From sea to shining sea,

And unto earth’s remotest bounds

His peaceful rule shall be.

Yea, all the kings shall bow to Him,

His rule all nations hail;

He will regard the poor man’s cry

When other helpers fail.

And blessèd be His glorious Name

To all eternity;

The whole earth let His glory fill,

Amen, so let it be.

Tune: Dundee

http://cyberhymnal.org/mid/d/u/n/dundee.mid

WAG: H. L. Mencken

No. "Take My Life and Let It Be" and this hymn are typically sung to the same tune (Hendon), however.

The tune for the hymn is "Hendon":

http://blueletterbible.org/hymns/hymns_mid/mid_h_hendon.mid

Here are three stanzas from the next hymn:

When, with wasting sickness worn,

Sinking to the grave I lie,

Or, by sudden anguish torn,

Startled nature dreads to die,

Startled nature dreads to die.

Jesus, my redeeming Lord,

Be Thou then in mercy near!

Let Thy smile of love afford

Full relief from all my fear,

Full relief from all my fear.

Firmly trusting in Thy blood,

Nothing shall my heart confound;

Safely I shall pass the flood,

Safely reach Emmanuel’s ground,

Safely reach Emmanuel’s ground.