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  1. Story book NT believers obviously still quibble amongst themselves about a Sabbath Day, but the story book Paul says it doesn't matter what Day or if any day at all -

    Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [ days ] (Col. 2:16) KJV story book

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  2. Decomposer,

    Call me what you will deary! I accept you have nothing of value to contribute apart from your illegitimate insults.

    Watch out folks. Next thing he'll do here is whip out his Green Card for his classes. ... Sign up now, and the cost--errr, 'donation' will be a scant $500. Hope your believing is up to getting your money together. Run a car wash maybe to raise the funds?

    My classes have always been Free to attend and participate and no donations ever asked for nor accepted.

    I will however accept your apology for your slander and ineptitude, because my standards are so much higher than yours deary and I do forgive stupidity and slander like yours!

    Your parents should have been attending my classes or you are embarassing them by your stupidity and slanderous accusations.

    (Me wonders if he's like this in Real Life. <_< )

    Roy,

    Accurate, benevolent, legitimate, successful at decimating false religions, yes! I'm all those things and more; that you only dream of attaining deary! (My modesty forbids me to say more.)

    Well, since Decomposer believes in intelligent design, he ain't no atheist. ... No problem, as I don't think we atheists would want him in the first place. As I imagine none of the religious here want him either.

    Your name calling only enforces your ineptitude deary!

    If you wish to continue to call me names then " Successful ' False ' Religion Buster " best describes me and my 50 year record, next time you choose to shoot your mouth off, for that is the reality.

    Better luck next time deary!

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  3. . . . . In fact, since we can see you can speak and write English, likely you were born in the USA, and you say you know Hebrew and Aramaic, that means in your mind you think you have more linguistic ability and education than the apostle Paul. That is some kind of an ego you've got there James.

    What alleged evidence is available legitimately showing Paul is not merely just another mythical biblical story book character and that what is said to have been observed and recorded is true?

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  4. God first

    thanks Sunesis

    I am sorry Sunesis

    I wanted you not call him a troll even if he acted like one

    I would call him a misunderstand Christian to unproved God

    I never wanted to hurt your feeling

    I also sorry that I told him about us

    he seem like a believer

    I just do know enough about him

    with love and a holy kiss Roy

    But I DO believe in an Intelligent Designer (God for want of a better word) however it is unworthy of my worship and the insulting and demeaning pathetic responses I receive here and elsewhere only demonstrates the fraudulent claims of the self acclaimed story book Jesus believers.

    i.e. " Do they manifest the attributes of a genuine story book Jesus believer or legitimately display alleged God fearing attributes and manifestations? "

    Absolutely NOT and unlike me who has no need of them, instead they sling pathetic insults, name calling, etc. etc. all in lieu of a shred of legitimacy for their various lost causes.

    In fact they also do so because they are envious of me that I display the highest qualities and standards of legitimacy for my successful cause that they only dream of ever approaching let alone ever attaining.

    My classes were full of those once like they are currently so I stick to what continues to successfully work for me and they can never claim they weren't shown ' The story book Truths '.

    Let your insults continue as you will, for I accept that is all you have to offer for your lost cause. LOL!

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  5. ]I accept your apology for not reading fully what I wrote. That explains why you make mistakes in your understandings by not taking in to consideration everything that is written.

    The KJV story book quotes Noah as being perfect. Do you want to deny that also?

    These [are] the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man [and] perfect in his generations, [and] Noah walked with God. { perfect : or, upright} (Gen. 6:9) KJV story book, legitimately deny it if you can? (your alleged evidence is?)

    Composer, I wasn't apologizing. What does "perfect" mean in old English?

    You should be aware that the Jews back then probably mainly spoke Hebrew and the KJV translators spoke Hebrew and knew what it meant when they translated it into the English ' perfect '.

    The KJV also indicates in parenthesis that perfect also means ' upright '.

    Are you trying to tell us that the story book Jesus wasn't ' upright? '

    Hec, the earliest Jews don't even believe the Bible is legitimate apart from the first 5 books so you are trying to lecture others about a book you don't fully believe either?

    There are so many branches of Judaism, which branch are you currently in and what made you reject formal / strict Judaism?

    Are you then claiming the site - http://whatjewsbelieve.org/ is misrepresenting Jews?

    Perhaps you could contact them and show them why and get back to us with your evidence and their responses?

    My personal email is: franjac1@westnet.com.au when you think you have the legitimate evidence to support your claims against them.

    First of all, Composer, there is no single organization that can attest to what all Jews believe. That is part of the beauty of Judaism. Our traditions bind us together, but there is also great room for differing points of view regarding what the Torah means.

    So your not going to challenge that site. Thought as much. LOL!

    Traditions and multiple often opposing Jewish opinions are more man made clap-trap you want to cling to!

    Hence the pages and pages of Rabbinical arguments regarding numerous topics.

    Abigail picks from a myriad of Jewish boxes full of man made traditions of what suits her to believe. LOL!

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  6. Composer, I posted my previous response without reading your entire last post.

    I accept your apology for not reading fully what I wrote. That explains why you make mistakes in your understandings by not taking in to consideration everything that is written.

    Frankly, you were so completely off the mark with your Noah remark that my gut response was that the rest of your post wasn't worth taking the time to read. But, I came back and read it anyway.

    The KJV story book quotes Noah as being perfect. Do you want to deny that also?

    These [are] the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man [and] perfect in his generations, [and] Noah walked with God. { perfect : or, upright} (Gen. 6:9) KJV story book, legitimately deny it if you can? (your alleged evidence is?)

    Pretty damned funny, you telling me all about what the Jews believe, because I AM Jewish.

    Are you then claiming the site - http://whatjewsbelieve.org/ is misrepresenting Jews?

    Perhaps you could contact them and show them why and get back to us with your evidence and their responses?

    My personal email is: franjac1@westnet.com.au when you think you have the legitimate evidence to support your claims against them.

    And I have to say, I find it quite offensive that you would use my religion (which you don't seem to be a follwer of) to insult and antagonize those of another faith.

    Oh! so you wash your hands of the story book Jews having the story book Jesus crucified, I knew the bible was a lie, the text false and this Jesus never existed.

    Thanks for confirming that.

    I antagonise and insult no one, they do it to themselves by making outrageous claims they can not legitimately substantiate. I simply provide the facts as they shoot themselves down and embarrass themselves with it.

    That is most definitely NOT the Jewish way.

    Looks like the story book has insulted your Jewish forefathers then e.g. -

    Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him , saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. (John 10:31-33) KJV story book (My Bold)

    I'll also be most pleased for you to confirm again the bible tells repeated lies including exposing your Jewish religion as a vicious and violent one that stoned people to death for criticising or disagreeing with its beliefs?

    So, while you can quote scripture and you can quote other sources, you plainly do not understand the meaning of the words you are quoting.

    Allegedly such as?

    In the process, by the way, you completely changed the subject.

    Temporary tangents often occurs in debate, however all discussions are related to the story book tales and are pertinent.

    You started this thread by quoting the Bible and claiming because you didn't know anyone who followed that particular passage of scripture, these people were imperfect and therefore false Christians. It is your premise that is false (as I already showed you), not the Christians you are attempting to disparage.

    My premiss is accurate even by the very fact that not a single so called christian outside the story book has ever legitimately obeyed nor manifested the story book promises to a genuine story book Jesus believer. Mind you I have only been personally searching for 50 years. LOL!

    Better luck next time deary!

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  7. Composer, as I understand Christianity the idea is that the only man who could be perfect was Jesus.

    Read your self contradicting story book - These [are] the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man [and] perfect in his generations, [and] Noah walked with God. {perfect : or, upright}(Gen. 6;9) KJV self contradicting story book

    If the rest of humanity was capable of perfection, there never would have been a need for a savior.

    a) Noah was apparently capable. Do you think he was also God dressed up like story book Jesus to only look like a man?

    b) The story book Jesus was a fraud -

    The earliest Orthodox Jews (Pharisees & Sadducees) recognised from their TORAH (First 5 books of the bible), the fraudulent claims of this biblical Jesus.

    The Christian understanding is that the messiah, Jesus, died for the sins of the people. The messiah is supposed to be a human sacrifice that is the blood sacrifice necessary for the forgiveness of sin.

    But we are taught in this proven self contradicting bible that no one can die for the sins of another. -

    In Deuteronomy 24:16 (KJV) it specifically says this:

    The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the father. Every man shall be put to death for his own sin. (Online Source: http://whatjewsbelieve.org/) - What Jews believe Point 1.)

    cf.

    Fathers must not be put to death for what their children24 do, nor children for what their fathers do; each must be put to death for his own sin. (Deut. 24:16) NET (See also: post2966264 (Post#1586, story book contradictions Deut. 24:16 Oops! Ex. 20: 5. LOL!))

    This was later confirmed by -

    Ezekiel 18:20 RSV

    "THE SON SHALL NOT SUFFER FOR THE INIQUITY OF THE FATHER. NOR THE FATHER SUFFER FOR THE INIQUITY OF THE SON; the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself."

    Ezekiel 18:20 also "pulls the rug out from under" Christianity's main premise, that all generations of mankind are burdened with sin and death stemming from Adam's act of disobedience. Only Christ's redeeming shed blood can end this never-ending cycle of sin and death. Quite clearly Ezekiel refutes this notion. "The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father." (Online Source: http://www.bibleorigins.net/MoabiteBloodMessiah.html)

    More so -

    Jews correctly also, do not believe in original sin.

    IN SHORT... Jews do not believe in the existence of Original Sin. The concept of Original Sin simply states that because Adam and Eve sinned in the Garden of Eden, they brought Death into the world. Every human being dies because Adam and Eve committed a sin, and for their sin, all humans are punished with death. However, the Bible describes something entirely different. Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden because if they remained, they could eat the fruit of the Tree of Life, which would make them IMmortal. If Adam and Eve had to eat the fruit of the Tree of Life to become IMmortal, then they were created mortal to begin with. They did not bring Death into the world, and we don't die because they sinned. As a matter of Biblical fact, the answer to Question One shows that one person cannot die as the punishment for the sins committed by another. We die because Death is a natural part of existence, and has been since from the moment the first human beings were created. That is why God told the animals, before Adam and Eve ate the fruit from The Tree Of The Knowledge Of Good And Evil, to be fruitful and to multiply, since they needed to replace themselves. God also told the same thing to Adam and Eve before they ate that fruit as well. (Online Source: http://whatjewsbelieve.org/) - What Jews believe Point 5.)

    So, I guess I am not following your logic (or lack thereof) or what it is you think you have scored with this post.

    i) I have successfully achieved exposing you people pretending to be story book christians as absolute frauds and only dishonestly self appointed christians and your legitimate evidence that the story book is the words of a God given to man remains a constant zero.

    ii) That those claiming to be genuine christians all dismiss the attributes and manifestations required of a genuine story book Jesus believer and all you offer instead is pathetic excuses and sarcasm for your collective and individual failures. Just like your excuses for not obeying Matt. 19:21. You people are currently a sick dishonest joke!

    I have more respect for most atheists and non-believers, for many have already literally sacrificed their lives on the battle-field for their countrymen (religious or not) without demanding or expecting any divine rewards unlike self appointed christians and the story book Jesus that selfishly sacrificed itself only temporarily and only on the expectation of divine rewards.

    My 50 year tally remains unbroken so far -

    Pretend genuine christians with pathetic excuses for their failures = 100%

    Genuine story book christians = 0

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  8. Composer,

    I notice that you got a negative 5 tally there. ... Hhmmmm, ya think that maybe, when you posted

    that just might have had something to do with it? ;)

    N-a-h-h-h! ... Must've been the enlarged font that somehow got under their skin. :realmad:

    ... And a 'real' Christian? ... According to who, might I ask?

    Who amongst us here has a direct connection with God (The Real One, doncha know ;) ) who can answer _that_ question?

    ((snickers)) :biglaugh: And some people wonder why people like me walked away from the god concept as a valid answer.

    Hello GarthP2000,

    You did well to walk away and as we have seen here and I have experienced for 50 years elsewhere, not a single genuine christian exists outside of their story book.

    Cheers!

  9. God first

    thanks Composer

    are you a fraud who pretends not to understand christians because your a Christian

    with love and a holy kiss Roy

    There is no such a thing as a genuine Christian outside of the story book of fantasy and your absolute failures to obey Matt. 19:21 is just one of the many proofs that easily prove it.

    May be take up Mormanism or Buddhism or tennis,

  10. In my never ending quest for a genuine story book acclaimed christian, I try to give every opportunity for one to step forward and break my current 50 year tally of -

    Pretend christians with pitiful and pathetic excuses for their failure = 100%

    Genuine christians that obey their story book Jesus and also manifest the story book promises already given to any such genuine believer = 0.

    So as a further part of that survey, would any so called christian that has strictly obeyed their alleged story book master and done as it commanded, please step forward (with your proofs)? -

    Jesus said to him, “If you wish to be perfect, go sell your possessions and give the money25 to the poor, and you will have treasure26 in heaven. Then come, follow me.” (Matt. 19:21) NET story book (My bold)

    So far, the tally from my requests at other forums remains at: genuine christians = 0 and christian frauds with pathetic and pitiful excuses for their disobedience and failure to obey their alleged master = 100%

    Over to you. LOL!

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  11. What is 'my worship'?

    My 100% respect for all the acclaimed story book alleged Godly attributes.

    I freely acknowledge the wonders of creation, however I am a mere human being and those things are wondrous to me because I don't have that ability. However they are NOT wondrous to an Intelligent supreme designer, they are just unique innate attributes.

    The fundamental problem for " God is a God of Love ' believers, is that the evidence available refutes that hypothesis and this Thread itself also demonstrates that ' when asked ' those who claim their God is a God of Love unambigiously FAIL to legitimately demonstrate that.

    As with the recent Haiti disaster and subsequent events, in themselves alone, belies the claims that this ' ID / God ' is a God of Love ' but rather exposes it as a monster unworthy of my worship / total respect.

    The trinitarian story book hypocrytical monster of a God is even less worthy of my worship / respect.

  12. I'm curious as to what you believe, and not what you don't believe, mind you. Care to elaborate?

    In brief I beleive ALL religions are man made.

    The legitimate evidence that ANY acclaimed Holy Book is the words of a God given to man remains a constant zero.

    I DO believe in an Intelligent Designer (God for want of a better word) however it is unworthy of my worship (especially unworthy is the story book trinitarian acclaimed one)

    Thanks for asking!

  13. Thanks Shellon,

    I have spent the last 50 years studying the various religions (Mainly alleged bible text based ones)

    I say ' alleged ' because under examination, what most claim is in the bible text ' isn't how they have presented it as the bases of their beliefs '. In brief, what they claim the story book (bible text) says, doesn't mean what they claim it means and the promises it makes not a single so called christian can legitimately manifest those promises already given and NONE can legitimately claim to be a genuine bible christian.

    After 50 years of intense scrutiny, discussion etc because I really wanted to find out IF there was anything legitimate about these alleged ' holy Books) (especially the alleged bible based ones) I can say without doubt or equivocation that the bible text is 100% man made, man conceived and NOT the legitimate words of a God given to men.

    Hence my reference to the ' story book ' of man made fantasy, for that is ALL so called Holy Books ' are.

    It is great to hear the sincere questions from youngsters who have in the main not yet been corrupted by the various brainwashing methods of those religions or by parents forcing them to follow their beliefs.

    I love to challenge ALL religions (I'm a successful religion buster) but unfortunately they invariably hide or run away when faced with the Truths I (and some others bring) and soon ban me from their Forums, so they can only get opinions and present comments that suit them, as they continue to deceive themselves and others that get trapped in their web of deceit and propaganda.

    Fortunately however I do get frequent Private emails or PM's where some want to know more of what I have to say, but are afraid of ridicule or banning by others if they try to speak openly.

    That way they are better informed and can make their more informed choices having been made ' more aware ' of the failings of their current or alternate ideologies or teachings they may have been considering changing to.

    Cheers!

  14. Sorry, Pawtucket. In the last several years they set up email servers. Of course email and internet usage is "for legitimate business purposes only." The domain is @theway.org Most times you can add the persons name before the domain. However, even if you are able to send them an email I would not expect a response. They insulate themselves on purpose. They do not deal well with challenges.

    Ok, that's dissappointing but typical of lost causes that hide from scrutiny.

    Thanks for the information every one.

    IF a direct email does eventuate please advise or get them to contact me at: franjac1@westnet.com.au?

    Cheers!

  15. You are welcome.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "not one genuine story book christian has stepped forward" at all composer. But for the record, while I try to remain open to explore new concepts and view points I don't exactly have a habit of backing down from aggressive people.

    I think you are free to think of us "storybook" types as you will. Since I don't consider the Bible a simple story book I have become use to letting people hold their own opinions, and like I said before, my plate sometimes seems full with reasoning with others who say they take the scriptures more seriously than you do and sorting out my own "Way International" history.

    "Reality" is easily confuse with "persective" IMO.

    My "perspective" as concerning scripture easily handles your "reality" but is at odds with your "perspective."

    And as I expressed before, I generally speaking don't choose to force people to look at ugly realities, they will have to soon enough as long as they keep breathing. The single notable exeption as it pertains to reality here at The Greasespot is that many of us are in various stages of recognizing "The Way" for what it really was and I see great potential for good in that realization, but it is still not anything with which I take any kind of glee in and constantly hope to find a good balance between reality and care for the individual.

    But as concerning the folks who have been hurt the worst I can feel downright angy. Sometimes for even just the possible benefit of comforting their hearts I will as some say, go to far. But from my persective as their hurts are real and the damage has been devastating to many I mostly worry about not having gone far enough.

    Why is it composer, that you are aggressive? What motivates you to say such things as a persons beliefs are insufficient? I give you credit for your own right to reason but you are repeatedly insulting, why?

    You have every right to think that even though I disagree. If you wish to continue thinking so it is your right.

    If you wish to take up my biblical views as I have posted them already you are free to do so. I suspect we will still disagree if you go that route.

    But if you wish to describe my words as "bleating" along with your many implications of logical breakdowns and insufficiency as concerning Christians I will end up not backing down to you I assure you.

    And from my perspective as you choose to hold onto your insults without taking up the specifics of my previous post you are just another person with a stong opinion without the cohones to take on a particular opposing viewpoint with reason and/or logic youself....HHHmmmm...Isn't that exactly what you accuse us Christians of being?

    Could you point out ' what specifics ' you are referring to and we can discuss them?

    Also the sum total of your evidence that the story book is the words of a God given to men, remains nothing but a warm & fuzzy ' feeling ' you have, that this is the case, is that correct?

    Cheers!

  16. Well Composer,

    Personally I could wish you would respond directly to some of the reasoning that myself or others shared with you on this thread. But because the Greasespot is an open forum and all, nothing requires you to do so.

    No matter what our personal references are for relating to this life I think it is ok that both you and I can acknowledge that some things that happen are ugly and monstrous. Some of my fellow Christians seem unable to deal with ugly and monstrous honestly, but being human and all themselves I wouldn't take it upon myself to shove there noses in uuuugly and say, "Look at it" or anything. Life itself has a way of making us face the uuugly things in it's own time.

    And whether or not my intentions seem unwise to you I can't help but wish that someday you would find/"be led into" a world view that would honestly allow you to Love God. But it seems for the present time that there is not a darn thing I can do to offer you the kind of proof you seem to be looking for.

    Heck, I'm not even sure you would change your mind if offered proof but I can not.

    And for the record, among bible believing folks, some people seem unable to change there mind when offered convincing scriptural proof. God only knows how many times I might have fallen into the same folly though, so I try to hold back on certain judgements, y'know.

    Thanks for that.

    I have been searching earnestly for 50 years and not one genuine story book christian has stepped forward.

    I agree with you that many of them when faced with the reality I present they prefer to cling to their story book ideology. Like a crutch that doesn't legitimately support them but they keep using it regardless?

    Many form also a social network among other story book believers and they prefer that make believe world they manufactured for themselves rather than the cruel and sadistic world this (I call) Intelligent Designer (God for want of a better word) has created, bringing misery, suffering, pain, diseases, earthquakes, tsunamis, amputees, physical cruelty, blindness etc. etc. for many and yet so called christians keep bleating about their ' God of Love ' which is in reality a misnomer and the evidence it does ' Love its creation ' is virtually non-existent.

  17. Ok so we are now along to Page 3 and the legitimate and overwhelming evidence that this God ' loves us ' remains at zero?

    The legitimate evidence that it is a monster that causes / doesn't prevent atrocities, rapes, murders, diseases, ailments, amputees, disasters (earthquakes, tsunami's, plagues, drought etc.)

    The story book alleged trinitarian monster of a God is even worse by its lies and hypocrisy, including interfering to save Isaac and save itself as a baby Jesus godman person, from Herod's men, but was nowhere to be found to save Abel nor to save the other babes slaughtered by Herod's men.

  18. . . . . If I recall we did not officially interpret until the intermediate class.

    1. Ok, so until then you were speaking ' unofficially '

    I find that amusing!

    2. So who then told you to speak in tongues ' officially ' in the intermediate class?

    3. What alleged purpose did it serve based upon the following? -

    1 Corinthians 14:14 KJV

    For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

    4. What was it you had to ' officially say in an unknown tongue? ' and i) to whom were you officially speaking openly?, ii) how many in the church class? and iii) was there an interpreter there? and iv) what makes you think they could understand what was said, based upon the following that contradicts that possibility? -

    1 Corinthians 14:2 KJV

    For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

    5. As your God is supposed to be able to ' read your thoughts ' then why is it necessary for you to have to ' say / speak ' anything in order to convey your official or unofficial thoughts?

  19. I never said I subscribe to Way theology. What I am saying is that if you are going to have a legitimate discussion of Way theology, you should, at the very least, have an accurate understanding of the subject matter. You, apparently, do not.

    Way theology was raised by you.

    I was discussing what the story book says not what whatever Way theology says?

    Better luck next time!

    Composer introduced interpretation and then withdrew it to make an attack.

    I withdrew nothing?

    Tha facts I stated based upon the story book stand as correct.

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