krys

I like your taste, Twink!

neither can I.

BlueChord I hear where you're coming from. I understand your angst. However....

I am old enough to have skin as thick as leather and a penchant for sarcasm - - therefore -- 

If I were in your shoes, I'd be pleased to have stung the center of the "singularity of infinitesimal value" [thanks T-Bone] Me and my family have taken more than our fair share of painful barbs from the "singularity" (actually - no share is a fair share...I'm being sarcastic). So If I were in your shoes, I think I'd be dancing with joy to have been able to lob one back causing a wound that they found as annoying as this!

That reminds me of the kettle and the frog. As long as the frog is in the kettle while it heats, it doesn't notice the temperature increase. BUT drop the frog into a warm kettle of water and he'll notice that right away and jump out!  

9 hours ago, Rocky said:

I don't share that wish with you.

Though I regret some of my choices and some of what I did after leaving twi, I am who I am now because of those mistakes. That sentiment does not negate the notion that cults make merchandise of their followers/members.

I am tremendously thankful that I figured out that I needed to leave and actually did. And that the ensuing years have represented growth and development of insight I wouldn't have had otherwise.

One of the reasons that cult was so treacherous was that there was plenty of truth entwined with the non-truth and evil stuff woven in. Most people could see the truth, but the cult was so sly, that you were lapping up the junk with the good stuff and didn't know the difference.  Once you lived enough years in the world you developed some thinking skills regardless of what the cult tried to instill in you.

That's why it was so hard for most folks to leave...and why those who left were stunned at first. It took time to unravel all the threads and decide which, if any, were worth keeping. The cult was so good at it; they could keep you believing all the lies they told while still keeping you believing that you knew the word of God. They were particularly adept at this deception.

Sometimes I'm embarrassed about the deception I swallowed. But, I'm thankful for the truth I learned. Some of it must have come from them, some I learned myself along the way, and I'm still learning now some 21 or 22 years out.

It was't easy. But - it was worth it to have the truth I now have.

I believe Galen is on the right track. 

Your suggestion of a person with a gift ministry gives to the church (the believers) and God gives back to him, doesn't mean that the believers have not been "blessed". Perhaps God gives back to your strong abilities (gift) which makes you only more effective at it. If you are particularly adept at teaching you will be strengthened in this "gift".

I agree, T-Bone. I believe I was "in" later than you (78-97), every time I can wrap my head around another piece of this, it is a blessing to me. I'd like to think that I'd gotten all the old twi cobwebs out, when you shine your finely tuned light on it, lo and behold, another one pops up! Thanks, because when I see it, I can begin to eliminate it.

I'm an old timer too. I come frequently and read the posts. I post infrequently but I'm here watching for those who seem to want help escaping from the cult. We are a solid, sane group of individuals. We are quite varied in our pursuits, but generally our love of God and obedience to the example of Jesus Christ unites us.

Welcome. BecomingMe.

Arrogant little ba$tard$ aren't they! They make up their little rules and if you don't follow them and do what they say Almighty God will drop kick you into the abyss.

sweet. even a little playful....yes, I did enjoy it - - thanks

No matter what you choose, you're doomed.

I remember it just as Rocky has stated.

How interesting to have this framework. There are many things that contribute to my joy (of life), it we can look at it that way.  Spiritual abundance spills over into my "natural life" increasing that abundance too.

Do you think it would fit in an email? I would love to read that piece.

I will miss him too. He had a gentleness about him - and when he posted, I always felt that I learned something.

6 hours ago, T-Bone said:

There’s been two trains of thought on this thread and unfortunately someone has a one-track mind. When So_crates started this thread I was expecting Mike to present a thesis  - arguments or proofs that PFAL is God-breathed. But as WordWolf predicted  on page 2 – this was not going to happen:

 

Though some posters have tried to keep him on the thesis track by asking pointed questions – instead Mike has once again continued on a pre-existing line of thought – the manifesto  track – just declaring his intentions, motives and views – and as such no arguments or proofs needed…I’m tempted to say this thread has been derailed from So_crates’ intended course…but still I always appreciate the clarity and perspectives Grease Spotters bring to bear on all things related to wierwille doctrine and practice.

All aboard ! Next stop - who knows?!?!

Cho - - cho  - - - chugachugachuga - - Chooooo choooo

I'll add my wishes to Twinky's . I'll double down on hers and add that I wish you find some ways to exercise your spiritual convictions. May there be blessings on you and also upon your households.

I think they were probably children of innies who have come of age.

Interesting!  I grew up in Flushing...but a long time ago. Near Francis Lewis Blvd.

Twig Coordinators had to see it.

Oh yes! We had to show our budget AND checkbook (some of us) to prove it. Some folks had to produce their paycheck stub to prove they were ABSing. My twig coo'd didn't get too strict with me. We'd been around and he'd say things like..."I can tell by the quality of your life" ...yadda yadda.

And don't get me started about our schedule in 15 minute intervals. We had to produce one of those every week too.

How old is he now? How much time has he served to date?

I remember that there were "blab sessions" at least once every meeting. It was supposed to get the new students to release a bit....you remember. receive, retain, release?

We've heard many tales of others in addition to the ones Tom enumerated above. Just about any branch in this country had at least one sleaze in it. And, of course there are many equally sleazy individuals outside of the minustry!  No one wants to let them go unpunished but there are only so many hours in a day. We have so many more worthwhile things to do than chase after them. Most of us I guess have decided to let it go and let God handle it when He meters out His justice and I believe that's what God wants us to do now.