Mister P-Mosh

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Originally posted by ChattyKathy:

Mister P-Mosh,

Have enjoyed posting with you since you came on board, looking forward to learning from you.

Kathy

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The feeling is mutual. I have already learned a lot from people here, including yourself. I am greatful to have found this place, I just wish I could share it with some of the others I know who are "innies" right now. I may do it, but I'll side with caution. I'm well aware of the whole idea of people who are no longer "standing" with TWI being supposedly posessed and trying to "trick" innies to leave.

Kathy,

I have a feeling that you understand what I'm getting at, and that your husband and I probably agree on more of that stuff as well.

I have fairly strange political views I guess. In some ways I'm very conservative, in others very liberal. I despise war and see it as a failure of thinking. However, I support it in self-defence. I do think it's just to go after bin Laden and al Qaeda, but I find it distasteful. Also having been aware of terrorism outside of the U.S. I didn't have the same "innocence" that many others have, and lost on September 11th last year.

Anyway, thanks for understanding me, sometimes I fail to do well with my words.

I didn't want to get too much into the politics here, but I guess I should to explain why I feel the way I do.

I see our nation's foreign policy as being responsible for the deaths of countless people outside the U.S. I have seen firsthand the results of the idiots from NYC, Boston, Chicago, etc. funding terrorists in Northern Ireland and the U.K. Our nation's government has been a bully to the rest of the world for a while, and then when someone else strikes back, we act suprised.

Personally, I do feel empathy for the families of those that died, but it was a year ago, and I can't keep dwelling on something that long ago when I was not a direct part of it. However, I think I'd be safe to say that I doubt anyone here cares a lick about the "collateral damage" where we've killed wedding parties, destroyed hospitals, and other things like that in Afghanistan in mistakes that would have been easily avoided. We've propped up governments all over the world that have oppressed their people and caused problems. We supported Saddam Hussein in the past, and look at where that got us. We supported a lot of the people in Afghanistan, some of whom became the Taliban. We continue to directly support terrorists in central and south America that keep those regions destabilized.

When I say "we" I don't mean "we the people" but I mean our elected officials. If the average person was aware of some of the attrocities carried out in our names by our leaders, there would be some major reform.

Anyway, the reason this is relevant is two-fold. If you don't feel as bad when our troops go out and kill a wedding party for setting off fireworks as you do for the victims of the WTC attack, then there is something wrong with you. Also, our government has been a bully to most of the world, so it should have come as no suprise that people hate us. I've had a family member mutilated by a bomb planted in a desk at a primary school in Northern Ireland thanks to the American funded IRA. He probably wishes that he didn't live, but he is alive and can't take care of himself anymore since he can't walk and is missing an arm. Nobody in the U.S. cares about those sorts of things though, so I have grown somewhat calloused to other attrocities.

I don't think that has anything to do with TWI.

P.S. - If someone wants me to provide links to websites to back up my political claims higher up, I'll be glad to do so, although that might be better left to the politics forum rather than here.

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Originally posted by AdiosMiCorazon:

I am so sad for those people who lost their lives and I am so proud to be an American. Too many emotions for one day

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I'll probably get flamed by someone for posting this here, but I'll go ahead and say it anyways.

I think there's something wrong with what our country is doing today. I touched on it in another topic about how the memory of the dead is being abused by the capitalists (well, I'm not a commie but I mean those that worship capitalism as their god) in order to make money. Today isn't about a memorial of the deaths of innocent people a year ago, it's about advertising and pop singers.

Then there's the revenge aspect. So many people keep the subject alive of how we have to get those responsible for it. I can guarantee that everyone directly responsible for the terrorist attack is already dead, so at best we can find their leaders (not just bin Laden) and get rid of them. Instead though, the politicians have turned it into a big clusterf*** that now somehow involves Iraq, who doesn't like al Qaeda either. I am all for justice, but the attitude of "let's go bomb some towelheads" that has been in the undercurrents of America for the past year does bother me. I see the lust for revenge rather than justice the exact same logic that al Qaeda used.

Also, I don't really care about the people who died. I know that sounds callous, but I've talked to some of my closer friends and they feel the same way. Unless you know someone who died, or lived in NYC, DC, or near that field in PA, it didn't really affect you. I felt sorry for the families of the deceased a year ago, and I still do to a certain degree, but it's not some sort of life-changing event for me. It's just as sad as when you hear about the 5000 Iraqi kids that die each month or the mass murders in Rwanda or wherever.

I also don't really like what I refer to as pseudo-patriotism. I see those who went out immediately after September 11th last year as superficial and doing it only because it was fashionable. "911" and "FDNY" are fashion statements now and can be found on clothing at various stores. Real patriots don't need signs just like real followers of God shouldn't need a green bumpersticker and a pictire of the BOT hanging in their living room.

I have to admit, in the past year, I have seen a few shining examples of human compassion and accomplishment. The police and firemen who died a year ago while trying to help others were valiant, and I hope their families will try to follow their principles. I felt bad for the families of the innocents who did nothing wrong to put themselves in those positions that were killed last year.

However, everything else is a bunch of hoo-ha to me, and completely worthless. I'm not going to wear red white and blue today, I'm not going to go buy a new flag (I've had one since before last year anyway), and I'm not going to call for blood from innocents who live in the same region of the world that some of the terrorists were from. I reject the commercialism and the idiocy of the politicians as well. Unfortunately, for me all of the bad things tend to stick out more than the things I would like to memorialize today. That makes me sick of September 11th. The terrorists damaged a few buildings and murdered a few thousand, but we should be ashamed of ourselves for our nation's reaction and childishness that has been going on nonstop for about a year now.

So far those jerks at CNN have been playing recordings of people's messages to their families right before the towers collapsed on them. I guess I'll have to take my leave of that kind of crap a little early.

I don't know which is worse; the playing personal information in order to boost ratings, or the "Britney Spears 9/11 Celebration" type concerts that are going to go on. It's all disgusting to me and I think they all need to F*** off and stop tearing off our country's scabs to make themselves rich.

If you're running Windows XP, it does the sync automatically for you without any other programs.

Unless there are some new attacks or something, I'm going to ignore the TV, the newspaper, the radio, and commercial websites. The way so many are trying to profit or push a political agenda spits in the face of the memory of all those who were murdered on September 11th.

Had al Qaeda went on suicide bombings in the headquarters of CNN, Fox, ABC, CBS, etc. instead of murdering innocents I believe September 11th would have been a holiday instead of the anniversary of a tragedy.