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Enjoy your Birthday you ! Have fun May 27th and whatever year you arrived may another birthday this time around be special,fun,laughter filled and all that good stuff and may a sea monkey even show up to sing to you ! :)-->

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Originally posted by wonder1:

What is the real purpose of this website? All I see is bashing, slamming and cut downs. If this ministry was really that bad why continue to talk about it. I know if I had a bad experience with a group (which I have) I might talk about for a little bit, but then its history! Why the constant talk??

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If you want to really know the answer to your question if an answer is what you want or a reason to why you wonder ? Well then I welcome you to a private post with me and I will give you my honest answers as to why I come here and will also challenge your perception too. All I ask is that you LISTEN yes LISTEN to one voice and I wil LISTEN to yours ok ? That is of course if you really want somewhat of an answer and some perception to your wonderment. In the meantime maybe :Stop and Think / Take a better Look More than than constant talk about bad experiences and yeah it is History all right. History is worthy sometimes to remember and to talk/learn from past mistakes . I wonder how deep your wonder really is ?

You might be in a cult when the people you were in a year long cult program with can't wait till they get their brand new shiny cult reward pins so they can be done with each other for good and know you are in a cult when you & your wonderful cult sisters pretend in this cult family of 3 (one broke from the cult earlier ! smart guy he was ! how cultless he became !)during this wonderful cult ceremony in August. What a glorius cult year of spreading the cult like lifestyle ways ! My 2nd year cult family I love you and one of you owes me 500.oo for a long distance cult telephone bill but I have gotten over it ! And hope too we had at least some laughs during our most dysfunctional cult year where we even had the joy and

privilege of having the wonderful BiG CULT CHEESE Mr. Rev. P. spend a glorius week with us showing us how the cult dance should go ! Oh the memories and thankful I can at least still laugh at least a little! Cult never shut that off !

YOU KNOW YOU MIGHT BE IN A CULT WHEN YOUR FORCED TO GO DOOR TO DOOR WITNESSING ON YOUR OWN STREET BECAUSE YOUR FELLOWSHIP MEETS AT THE END OF THE STREET AND YOU WERE FORCED TO BE TRANSFERED OUT OF ANOTHER CULT FELLOWSHIP BECAUSE THE CULT LEADERS THOUGHT THAT CULT LEADER MIGHT BE A BAD INFLUENCE AND YOU WERE HAVING WAY TOO MUCH FUN IN THAT CULT FELLOWSHIP SO YOU END UP IN A CULT FELLOWSHIP ON THE END OF YOUR STREET WHERE YOU LIVE? OH SO BLESED AM I MOTHER MARY !AHHHHHHHHH SAY IT AINT SO ? IT WAS MADE SO! YOU THEN THINK YOU ARE IN A CULT WHEN YOU ACTUALLY DO END UP GOING DOOR TO DOOR SPREADING THE GOOD CULT NEWS AND YOU PRAY YOUR NEIGHBORS (THE ONES YOU KNOW !!!) DON'T ASK QUESTIONS OF THE CULT FELLOWSHIP AS THEY HEAD TOWARD YOUR END OF THE BLOCK !!!!! YOU THEN KNOW THAT YOU KNOW THAT YOU ARE REALLY IN A CULT WHEN YOU PRAY REALLY REALLY HARD NO ONE ANSWERS THE DOOR AND BETTER YET NO ONE IS HOME !!!!!!!OR BETTER YET THEY INVITE YOU IN FOR MILK AND COOKIES AND PRETEND THEY ARE INTERESTED BUT ARE REALLY JUST CURIOUS WHAT CULT PEOPLE ARE REALLY LIKE ? MMMMMMMMMM THEY SEEM MOST ILLOGICAL THESE CULT BEINGS CAPTAIN ! YOU THEN START CONSIDERING MAYBE GETTING OUT OF THIS CULT WHEN THE PERSON WHO ANSWERS THE DOOR AT THE THIRD HOUSE IS DRUNK AS A SKUNK AND STARTS LAUGHING AT YOU AND YOUR FELLOW ASIGNED DOOR TO DOOR CULT PARTNER AND YOU ARE BLESSSED CULTY LIKE BEYOND CULT LIKE BECAUSE INTERMISSION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SHE TAKES UP AN HOUR OF TIME AND YOU FEEL YOU ARE REALLY HELPING SAVE A LOST DRUNK SOUL ! TRUE STORY AND THE NAMES WERE CHANGED (OH NAMES WERE NOT MENTIONED) EXCEPT FOR SPOCK AND CAPTAIN KURT WHO WERE JUST THROWN IN TO TEST YOUR CULT POWERS ! :D--> tHANKS for all the other post too on this thread cause ya made my day and needed to laugh youse ex cult members youse ! :D-->

imbus got around here late but thank you for that insight and dam I took my q's from some of these so called wonderful leaders too and not all but seems I too with some leaders that put their egos on a much higher platter at other's expense of not really offering up nurture and I guess to the ones on here that make idiotic jokes or comments haven't a clue so I just color them thick as a brick and yeah maybe some day they will get it !

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VP was a white supremist.

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Sunesis, you're full of crap. Oldiesman ??????????????

REALLY FULL OF CRAP ? SO YOU YOU ARE CALLING SOMEONE A LIAR ? YOU WERE THERE ? COME ON TAKE IT UP IN A PRIVATE POST WILL YA ? YOU HAVE YOUR OPINION AND I HAVE MINE AND WHO KNOWS WHAT WAS SAID TO WHOM ? YOU HAVE AMAZING KRESKIN ABILTIES OR OPERATING ALL 9 ALL TIME ? MAYBE SOMETHING I AM MISSING LIKE BAD BLOOD BETWEEN YOU AND THE PERSON YOU ARE CALLING A LIAR OR FULL OF CRAP? NOTHING PERSONAL AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU BUT YOU'RE MAKING A BAD IMPRESSION AND EVEN PRIVATE POST ME EH TOO DISCUSS FURTHUR ? ? DID I LIE TOO ? HAVE SOME MANNERS !!!!!!!!

Originally posted by George Aar:

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The empassioned calls to service, the ribbons, the pomp and ceremony. Even at the time I thought that the W.O.W. "pinning" event was reminiscent of a Hitler Youth Rally.

QUOTE]A very interesting point and have to look up some historical facts about these youth rallies. Not too sure about the Hitler thing because we had many people from Jewish backgrounds in the ministry and my pitch a bitch would be is friends I had and dear friends who had no desire whatsoever to be in TWI(but respected my choice but their choice was deemed wrong ?) were labed "natural men " and the whole be not yoked together I think was taken way out of bounds !"crap" I guess from a military view I was kind of a military underlink for the WAY and had to keep that rank and file and follow orders from my superiors ! """YES SIR TWIG,.BRANCH, LIMB,TRUNK AND EVERY WHICH WAY FAMILY CORP, WAY CORP AND ALL THE WAY TO THE TOP SIR ! What garbage and caused me to sneak away (what was called tripping out !) AND OUT OF THE BARRACKS to be with my non TWI friends once in a while!!!! ahhhhhhhhhh My decision to play this game and wish I would have left my unit behind on my 2nd WoW YEAR AND LEFT THE WHOLE DAM TWI ARMED SERVICES FOR GOOD TOO THEN!I have survived and will get by though and have learned not to ever reapeat past mistakes with any organaztion or church in the present and future too!!

[i expected a longer,fuller life from somebody who seemed to be so much more connected to God than I was...I was saddened---and disappointed.... Yeah Simon death is a b---- and there is a line from John Lennon in working class hero that I love "As soon as your born they make you feel small by giving you no time instead of it all" I struggle with death issues but I am learning to try to make my time count and even little time I have seen in some lives by example go a long way and I have been listening to an artist named Eva Cassidy who only lived to 33 ! Her short life span made a huge impact on me and I never heard of her until my sis sent me her music. This thread too has stirred up some emotion but stll not about VPW'S life. Another line from an Emmy Lou Harris song she sings on SPY BOY cd "It don't matter where you bury me I'll be home and I'll be free "To those that VPW'S life did impact in a positive way I understand too because issues in your heart are exempt from debate and group think and even gs group think. Some of that here I have noticed but no big whoopie. My apologies too for my long *** post and I am trying to learn to get to the point.The fact that if one wanted to go to Int'l to visit VPW'S Grave I am sure he would not have been too thrilled with that some of his followers whether they are in the Way or not are denied even that simple dignified courtesy of human decency if they were to choose to visit and pay respects without a major hassle if they are not in the new kinder so called gentler TWI .Maybe I am wrong about that ? That change now ? Sorry Simon my emotions have taken over but I think VPW did have a very huge impact on his short life span.I can't say VPW impacted me in a positive manner but it wouldn't be the first or last time someone has let me down either. I did however have 2 comical way moments with VPW at a wow meeting and a street encounter at a WONY pep rally or whatever they were called. Ok another time ! lol excuse the looooooooong post!

I remember I was at work the day my wife called me to give me the news of VPW's passing and I was surprised it affected me little. I was so upset when LCM was installed to carry on for VPW and that whole Athletes Production never sat well for me and was a time too I started drinking a lot to kind of blur it all out and I am trying to be respectful and I will say I did learn via VPW how to make sense of the bible and there has been worse abuse in ministries by leaders in other groups but I never went into the Corp and I never really knew the man except at WOW meetings , ROA etc, etc.I had many close friends in the CORP and some of them when they came into my town shared about the man through their perspective. I still have a hard time with some of the sexual abuses, teachings on cancer being a devil spirt, etc,etc All behind the scenes VPW that came out later or surppressed when it did happen I was for one in major denial for years and dismissed these people as dis-gruntled wayfers who were lying. His passing doesn't change that for the ones that got hurt emotionaly and maybe you think I am being harsh ? Well my opinion and I don't consider myself a VPW basher but I wish VPW would have apologized and maybe he did to some.It matters little now. Having said all that it had to be tough on him watching his ministry turn into a joke and his so called brothers in Christ who he toiled with all those years just turn their backs on him ! I feel more for the Wierwille family and to them I would say I am sorry for your Dad's passing and may you, his family have peace when you remember him. God will sort it all out I trust.I mean no dis-respect to you the Wierwille family and of course there were things I learned and maybe if there had been a better check and balance sytem like you find in a church this Way Ministry would be thriving today? maybe or maybe not !I wonder sometimes. Like it or not VPW is still part of the Body of Christ. I still believe that and this is the first time I ever posted about VPW and never thought I would because I am not good at throwing stones( not that I haven't before) but have no problem telling you what I think privately. Thanks for starting the post and at least I was able to get a trickle out on this. A date that a man of God passed and not THE MAN OF GOD !Just my opinion and thoughts.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY ! :)-->

Cathy you sweet lady ! Hope you had a wonderful Happy Bithday you ! ;)-->HAPPY BIRTHDAY !!!!!!!!!!!!! :)-->

My question to any leader there now at TWI in Authority who sets policy or to the ones who sit on any board is why can't you just offer a Fing public apology to at least acknowledge some bit of remorse for the pain your group has inflicted on it's past followers ? To those you have marked and avoided, to the victims that have suffered sexual abuse, to the children who were put in harms way by allowing pedophiles that were protected by leadership !.to those who suffered emotional damage, to those who were publicly humiliated by a leader & other so called leaders who were out of control and to yeah a whole lot of other issues too !See I was a loyal follower & supporter of your evil rotten organization and I trusted you with my well being and I even before I left would still think the best of you who were in authority.You so called Men and Woman of God who had no backbone and instead of looking to change and repair the damage you just allowed it to get worse because you at the top are selfish and I really do not know how some of you sleep at night ? Yes some say I am bitter and need to get over it but hey I didn't suffer as bad as some but that doesn't mean I can allow your evil ways to be ignored like sticking my head in the sand and pretending it never happened. Many of us on here put in the cost of time to some of your programs that in some ways made us unwilling puppets to your charade of misrepresenting what I know we all thought was a ministry with God's love at the top and you waited too long to deal with LCM and only removed him when it became neccesary to protect your shattered image ! So I have taken a long time to answer here on what I would ask but I personaly too like someone else stated in a post somewhere, hope your evil rotten organazation shrivels up ! I have nothing against your members who choose to be in your group nor do I wish anyone bad will but hey TWI POWER BROKERS it is all out in the open anyway your rotten evil ways so I ASK and wonder too why no one has the backbone to publicy issue an apology ?? For me it would bring some closure but not undo the damage you have caused and to you spineless leaders I ask you to consider what I say . I have heard some at TWI monitor this site and I do hope you report back with what I have said. I don't count on any official public apology soon because that would be bad business for a business in ministry sheep clothing ! I do hope too any law suits against your group exposes more and more to the public how rotten you really have been and how rotten you still are ! Ok enough said !I can say so much more ! --> :(--> A public apology would be a gesture that at least there is some acknowledgement of humanity and maybe some day your followers will clean house of you corrupted power heads and do some remodeling on Wierwille Rd. and then maybe that Public Apolgy Will Come !!!!!!!!!!See I joke around on the post at times but this is my heart and just little of the tip of the iceberg issues I have. So thanks for your time my fellow gs friends and thank you too for for being you and true to yourselves the ones I love and ones who have shown me what God's love in action can still do for the heart ! :)--> p.s. It was people too like you I described that kept me in all those years and you are the ones that offered some much needed relief and yeah to me that is one thing I do not regret !

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Originally posted by Tom Strange:

cool... look forward to it... no bogarting allowed though!

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NO NO NO i CAN'T BOGART NO MORE ? OK ! :D--> If I do come, I will burn all my TWI nametags in a campfire ! JUst to watch those cool flames it will make ! :D-->

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Originally posted by Tom Strange:

maybe so... just a misunderstanding... that's all...

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Tom to quote a few lines from a song I love "Everything is cool now yeah every thing is ok" I do know very well on here misunderstandings happen and I do know too you are a genuine person who gives me and I know others on here a nice dose of medicine with that laugher you inject. Too much pain out there and for that medicine ? I thank you and if I make the weenie roast I look forward to meeting you and sharing a laugh !!!!!! . :)--> :D--> p.s. We can maybe wear our name tags too ?

Yeah God Bless all those guys who serve and I have a neighbor who went to Nam when I was kid and all of those who gave and to those too who continue to serve are heroes and me for one never takes them for granted! Eagle I thank and salute you too !

Tom, You are serious right ? lmao No prob now ! Too funny and here I thought maybe you were starting a National Enquirer Gossip column on gs ! Maybe I've passed that pipe too many times your way lately ? :D-->

Well Hills my wife's name tag got me to purcahse a teaching tape on possesion because seems the guy at the book store at a ROA with me just having my wow name tag (and hey I was a 2 timer wow too !) NO RESPECT I got cause I took my time getting around taking the advanced class years later and dam you should have seen his face when my wife ended up buying the tape for me and this guy who had his Corp name tag on realised we were married and yeah the the name tag sure was indicative in his eyes ! sheeesh Should have borrowed a Corp name tag eh ? Too all you ex way corp on here no offence except if you were the one working the counter that day ! --> :D--> ok I'll forgive ya ! :)--> It was a way comical moment too like many others ! I should write a book !!!!!

Happy Birthday !!!!! :)-->

Originally posted by excathedra:

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bally boy !!!!!!! Too funny Ex ! bally boy in brown !!! :D-->

Hey I think a competition is good and the loser can maybe dress like the chicken and take some commamds at like maybe the weenie roast. Haven't thought of what the winner should be awarded yet. Any ideas anyone ? Have IT YOUR WAY and yeah vickles eating at Burger KING WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN FOR ME !!!!!!!! :D-->

Mary you and that dam chicken ! :D-->

God Bless Chuck and to your family may God comfort you (((all))) :(-->

Hey those men in brown work hard and I am sure LCM has plenty do and probably a Union stewart by now since he craves power so and you got past gs censors with the numb squirrel food remark ? Hey don't stoop to his level, The level of no class LCM!!!!!! Though I must admit it did make me laugh ! :D--> I am bad and you are ssoooooo mean ! ha ha :D-->

Hey Megan, "Singing Ladies of the Way "? Gee when did they start that group ? I have been away so long !!!!! I just have all the old stuff which some I still do like and especially a "Theophilus" albulm. I personally thought it was one of the best ever put out there but hey my music taste and opinion so to those "Singing Ladies of THE Way when ya goin on tour ? Too funny you sending that "Singing LADIES OF The Cult THAT SNAPPED back ! :D--> p.s Sing it Dave ? Dave WHO ? I have to get past security back there sometime and see what I have been missing ??