rhino

It could be one that smells nice (Paloma is a family of colognes).

George

In Portuguese, paloma is "prostitute, whore, or meretrix."

I'm not sure what to make of this ... where did George do his research?

I hope Paloma doesn't carry disease... :o

Happy Birthday Belle ...

have a good one ...

or four ...

I'm thinking DWBH has a TV mini series almost written.

It starts with an apparently normal family attending a seemingly innocent Christian fellowship and evolves to the twisted alien, child eating, brain sucking, self aggrandizing, predatory, conspiratorial cult we all loved and now reflect on with varying degrees of denial and amazement.

oh ... and I guess the death of vp was the end of the first season, but the zombie cults arose from the dead to continue the series ...

This morning I saw a portion of an automotive program where they were at a car show in Gunnison, CO. In the background there was a large white W on the mountain side. I don't remember seeing this when I was at Camp Gunnison. Anyone know anything about it?

I found a picture of it ... I don't remember that, but it was probably not visible from the ranch. I didn't get out much, except to exercise the horses in the BLM. Jerry, Star, Buck, .... ummm, Dancer, Prancer, Vixen ... wait no, those were Corps women ...

I see a football stadium back there, maybe it is a school initial.

It hasn't been spent yet.

On the other hand, the PROMISE of spending 700 BILLION obviously hasn't impressed Wall Street much!

George

The correction was probably needed first ... but they keep changing on where they will put the money. Will it go to Goldman buddies to float their bad banks? Or to support good banks when we get to a bottom? If changes are not made first, $700 billion will go down a rat hole, and the rats are in congress or own congress.

Some rules need to be fixed ... reform and regulation are not the same thing. Congress was bought with pork, not sure what we ended up with.

We've enriched some enemies that want to continue their war on us by trashing our markets ... I'm HOPING a real bottom could bet put in in the 7000's ... 7600 has been my number since 1998 ... give or take 800 ... HA.

Anyway, hopefully we catch the bad players that cheated and bought politicians ... and for the sake of the average American working person that saved, we/they don't just throw it all away.

Some feel this is the way the banks take over and one world government progresses. If that is the case, I hope they are kind overlords.

I'm betting on a 7600 bottom ... or I might bet ... no bets yet.

Europe is beyond me .. but there is some wild sheet going on ...

I'm glad I can grow some commodities ... sign up for my wine way corp ... you need $500/month sponsorship and a willingness to work hard in the vineyards ...

hmmm .. what else ... complete subservience? a sense of humor?

I need to recruit simon for the mechanical ... george st. george you are perfect as a vintner ... need a good chemist for that ... other george ... you can build anything ... turn the big barn into a gravity fed winery ... grapes in upstaris, wine out downstairs ...

To invest in my IPO just send $100K minimum up front ... or you can just show up if you have a large bulldozer and operator experience ...

Anyway .. you almost have to think about your life ... not the market ... I sold my window cleaning business for 3 months of revenue ... some of these corporations go for 20 years worth of earnings ... now some are close to a PE of 10, maybe going to 5. I'd rather just build my own business.

But really, investing in yourself is a good idea ...

I'm just glad that I converted all my 401K to the money market option back in January (after taking about a 20% hit between July and December of last year). On retirement, I rolled over to an IRA. The fund manager wanted to move me to a more "aggressive" portfolio, but I said I'd wait until things even out a bit. My IRA isn't growing fast, but at least it's moving in the right direction! I have a few shares of Dow stock which are worth less than I paid, but it's not enough to be catastrophic.

George

Well you're looking pretty darn smart right now George ... and with real estate prices lower maybe you can pick up a couple vacation homes on the "cheap".

9200 is the next support on the DOW, and we already bounced off that once today ... we sure got there fast. I hope this holds, but from the charts, 7600 looks like a real possibility.

If we charge back to 10K, it might be another chance to get out ... but that is always a tough call. Hope springs eternal. One guy is calling for a 21st century DOW theory end to the bear ... another considers 7286, the 2002 low, a possibility.

A lot of veteran traders have never seen this before ... glad your retirement funds are heading in the right direction.

Dow's back down below 10,000 again. I plan to just file my 401k and IRA statements without opening them for a while.

It sounds like the bailout isn't helping, and that more banks are expected to fail all over the nation and world over the next year or so. I'm thinking that doom and gloom will rule the day for a while.

We are seeing the result of bubble economics ... and yes, a lack of proper oversight.

I sure don't rejoice in people's 401k's being devalued, but much of those 10% yearly gains were unreal. But over the last ten years, a lot of real retirement money has been thrown to the snakes, and now we'll be taxed to cover their sins. I sure hope they track down the culprits and hang them, but I'm not very hopeful on that.

The last crisis I told a friend at Delta to sell her stock at 140, she didn't and it went to 5 or so. This time I know folks thinking of retirement with their money in company stock, that has now been cut in half. It is life changing for many people, even with fewer losses.

I feel better at getting out in early August '98, but even cash as been devalued and not completely safe. Maybe I'll invest in guns and ammo, but if you hold too much of those, the government takes them away.

The bailout may have helped, but it should have been called "the trying to avert an even worse fiasco bailout". And in the long run it may not help but hurt. But perhaps it keeps some people in jobs, if they can start to utilize some of the money.

I don't think the $700 billion is even in play yet, and a market correction was needed. "Success" might be a large correction and long slowdown, rather than an Argentina style collapse.

Well, that's what I like about talk, it is cheap ... but everyone has money somewhere, so all are invested ... and our limited amount of time is invested as well ... :)

But here is an article on derivative games ... for those that want to play along at home ... not that I get it all, but it cleared up a few things to me ...

The best analogy would be to picture watching a poker game and around the table are the biggest Wall Street Sharks. A lot of chips are on the table and depending on the accounting treatment used, each player would claim to have won the entire pot even though the last cards have yet to be dealt.

The problem is, those cards will be dealt eventually and someone is going to have to book a loss. In this type of poker game, if you don't know who the patsy is, you're the patsy! A number of investors in some big subprime mortgage hedge funds just found this out.

For the past couple of years, 40 percent of profits in the S&P 500 have come from financing activities, and financial profits have a long way to fall just to get back to historical averages. Remember, the U.S. economy has been driven by the financial system which has created an unprecedented level of debt. For those of you celebrating when the Dow edged up toward 14,000 and the S&P 500 hit a new record high, you may find the next celebration a long time coming. The recent stock market slide is caused primarily by worries over credit quality and excess leverage. The problems are just beginning.

So I don't know, the DOW could go to 10,000 again and still be in the uptrend I think. Party on Garth ... and everyone else too :)

Just thought I'd bring this up again ... as Bumpy and I were talking of this derivative calamity over a year ago ...

I do think this funny money system could work, but not if banks are allowed to create money ... and I think they have outdone the Fed by creating 97% of the money .. M3? I don't know ... but Greenspan refused to regulate them.

Regulate/deregulate are vague and confusing ... we need the right regulation.

I vote for Ham for president ... nationalize it Ham ...

Thanks cool chef and Belle ...

Belle ... cheers ... glad you broke the rule ... I saw Styx too, but it was in 1974.

Do they have walkers now? ha ...

Thanks Excie, RB, LU, and GSG

yeah George ... lotsa years ... lotsa beers

That's great news Shellon ...

Get well soon Ron ... the world isn't ending yet ... :)

I started it to put together the message of the Kingdom of God that I have learned over the past several years. I included references to what I used to believe, so that other ex-Ways could identify with where I've come from and what I've learned from the Bible since then.

I have found that this overall message is not limited to any particular group, and is not something that any one person got "special insight" about. Many people from all different backgrounds have seen it and realized how it makes the whole Bible fit together. They have started seeing this, and realizing that the Gospel of the Kingdom is the primary message that Jesus preached and taught. He also said that this Gospel would be preached to the whole world, and then the end would come (Matt. 24:14). My website is my small part in that.

Nothing makes the whole Bible fit together ... the bible history has a very shady history ...

Silly TWI thought my research paper should be in GMIR ... it was just a rehash of Bullinger with a VPW variation (which made no sense ... except to distinguish him from Bullinger) ... and Rear hard or someone stole my intro for a SNS teaching, or did I steal it and he stole it from the same source, I forget. (I asked him and he said he never read my paper that he quoted almost verbatim)

THE Bible history is best studied with books penworks has suggested ... she researched and then went to college to find out what went wrong in her quest for TRUTH.

I respect that ... I came up with something without bothering to check academia ... but "THE BIBLE" is not what we were led to believe ... and if you want to bother with that line of inquisition, I'm pointing to her advice. (and she was second corps I think, if that helps ... )

What you're watching is a fallout and it's going to get worse, and this ain't the thread to post it on. But if you can bail out and watch it in a foreign currency...da pain will feel like Tennessee rain!!

Well that was a really good call ...

So people were giddy at 14,000 and we went to 10,900, where people are terrified of losing their life savings. The expression is "buy when there is blood in the streets"

But they do need to get these guys reined in, since they are using "the people's money" (investors I mean) and leveraging it 25 to 1. Even Fannie and Freddie were maxing out their credit cards which were cosigned by mama government (US).

The impact of Ike on rigs and refineries is VERY directly related to the hurricane.

Why in the world would that be a new thread? Talk of where it will hit is over.

There is really little political about it ... the question is how long will they be off line ... and how much damage from Ike was there?

It is one of the aspects of Ike that effects everyone ... gas prices here jumped 40 cents, big damage would be a big deal.

I guess George and P-Mosh will check in when they get home or get power back.

I've stayed in New Orleans without power for 3 days before, and know what it is like to anticipate such a thang about to roll into your door step.

Kit ... New Orleans had more flooding than most expected, as the winds were strong from the south for so long, and the system was so large, but none of the major levees were threatened. I haven't seen much on western Louisiana yet though, where I'm sure they got a lot of water.

Here is news I just saw ...

Hurricane Ike hits heart of U.S. oil sector

Some 14 refineries in Texas were shut due to the effects of Ike, while one in Louisiana was shut in a slow recovery from Hurricane Gustav earlier in the month. Together, the refineries account for 23 percent of the nation's fuel production capacity.As strong winds continued to batter Houston, Exxon Mobil and Valero Energy Corp said they were returning crews to their shuttered refineries to assess damage.

A spokesman for the joint operations of southeast Texas emergency management agencies said the state's refineries appeared to have escaped the kind of heavy flooding that left plants shut for months after the 2005 hurricanes.

huh? did you mean to post that bit of info here on the Ike thread?

yes ...

you said

still not much up here except that they've raised gas by $.40 since yesterday at this time... and some stations are just closing so they can save their gas for tomorrow (or later) when they can raise the prices even higher... gouging... there are a lot of refugees up in this area as well...

So on the subject of damage from Ike, since the hurricane is over .... availability of gas is an issue ... isn't that why the prices are up?

So how long before supply comes back on line is important and related, don't you think?

You brought it up.

Jindal made an appeal to Bush before Gustav to open the strategic reserves. I'd guess now again production would be slowed, though I doubt there was much damage. They still have to get everything set back up to run.

But I don't know that the reserves are already refined or not ... maybe some are.

Or it's like a big club playing Dungeons and Dragons or some myth ... except in the cult it is easier to actually escape into the game. And it is fun for some ... life takes on a mythical element ...

So there are new clubs now, and new wizards ... pretending to fight some dreamed up demons ... (or fire breathing rhinos )

So these guys are running churches now, but it is a whole state (with some outsiders), and the actual work of ministering and running the services is done mostly by others, for free.

Sweeeeet ...

And they collect the money so that people have a place to give their 15% so they can be blessed.

And their twigees are in their 50's now, so they make more money and can ABS more ...

But I heard CFF does not collect all the money ... so maybe they don't do the ABS thing all the time. Do any of them open their finances for the members? How much are VF and the bus driver making these days?

IF NY had 1000 followers, and they gave even 3% on average, revenue would be thirty times that of the average worker ... minus expenses leaves a lot of money.

But I have no idea what any of the numbers are ...

Well if they really trained them in something, and didn't just indoctrinate them with the same old garbage ... it might be a better waste of time than getting hooked on drugs.

If someone there knows how to build and a little about animal husbandry, it could be a good adventure. But they could go get a real job and learn that stuff too, and get paid and not be under control of some youngster and his dad.

If they went out on their own they could take responsibility for their own life, instead of passing that off to these pretend men of gawd.

But while they are in cult world, they could have some fun little adventures.

I hope they put up pics of the 12 minute test, the building progress, their way corps shirts, hitching to LEAD, hitching when they cop out and go home ...

Is akriBoS accredited?

Does work on the farm count toward a semenary degree?

Have we established the CFF - V2P2 farm direct connection?

What is the ministry that will receive the material abundance?

How many single young women are on the farm?

How many goats?

and I can do the integrations and such by hand before the prof can figure out how to use the integral tables..

well, easy is relative.. it did take me a bunch of years to get to this point. Double the math required, a half a dozen chemistry classes.. physics..

Congrats on going through calculus and p-chem at such an advanced age

I switched out of chemistry before p-chem. I had 13 hours of calculus, which I did well then, but wouldn't want to try it now.

I think I switched during organic, I was only interested in the alcohols and found nothing very inspiring in the lab work.

You have one more year or so?

Rain readings went up to 30" in 24 hrs.

As far as New Orleans goes. I think they need to dredge the Mississippi and put all the mud in NOLA. They could raise the cities level up above the water level and save evrything in the long run.

I remember getting 21" in a day in New Orleans once ... and they have to pump it all out. It wasn't even a hurricane.

The area in New Orleans where I lived was originally lake, but they dredged up from the lake to add about 6 blocks of land. That area is actually above sea level and didn't flood, while a few blockes away they had 8' of water.

But besides the huge size of New Orleans and the massive task of moving that much muck, you'd have to raze the place before you could start over, unless you want to just bury the buildings and leave them as ruins

Had Gustav been just a little more to he east, I think huge sections of New Orleans would have been under 6' of water again.

Here is MyFoxHurricane, which has several maps to choose from on one page, a little graphic intensive though.

But here is one of them.

They had several pictures ... mostly guys it looked like. But I don't know if that was the twelve.