shortfuse

For all we know, the "apologies" and signatures on the document are all forgeries.

If it is it's a damn good forgery. Having seen all of their hand writing plenty of times, it seems authentic to me.

POP is available to read on the internet. You can read it if you can stand it. It is EXTREMELY boring and full of unimportant details.

That's exactly how I felt about it and why I ended up just skimming through it.

I've skimmed through POP and was left wondering what specificly CG was saying the BOT was doing wrong, too. I was amazed when I saw the scanned document above. I still don't get what they were admitting to. Did Howard actually believe he helped kill VPW? (I thought smoking did this.) Then later LCM said it was Geer who killed VPW. WTF?

if that is how the rc's do it it can't be any worse that some of the idiodic rambblings i heard while in twi

Both approaches have the same intent. Controlling the meaning of the scriptures (and thus the followers). The RC approach about it open about it, the TWI approach is cloked in the notion that the student is actually thinking things through for themselves.

If I may "let loose" on this verse...

"no prophecy of scripture is of one's private interpretation" =

"leave it to the church to do the interpreting for you... idiots!"

Interestingly this is how some Catholic theologians handle this section. The church (Peter and the apostles)is the origin of the scripture, there for the church (the Pope and his posse) should give the interpretation.

So, my friends, where did the Devil come from?

I heard he was from New Jersey.

I hear there is a new Way of Abundance and Power Class starting soon. I'm curious if anyone knows who is teaching, what it's about...I wonder if it's going to be new wine in an old wineskin, or old wine in a new wineskin? :unsure:

New class came out last March 06.

John Rupp teaches first two sessions

Steve Longley teaches sessions 3 to 6

David Chavoustie teaches sessions 7 to 12

Class is more structured than either PFAL or WAP (originals both rambled all over the place) but teaches much of the same doctrine. The teachers speak extended quotations of both previous classes as their own words and Chavoustie does a mean VPW. Credit is given to VPW, LCM gets no mention at all. The sessions all bare the same titles as the previous WAP but some sessions are complete retooled. Yes the Gen 3 eve/homo teaching is gone, but many other less sensational but equally illconceived concepts remain.

One addition is the pre-recorded session reviews by Bev Coyle, who's smile shines so brightly in makes that view just a bit uneasy.

Pinklady,

I think you are taking a important step already in identifying the wrong teachings and ideas that used to keep you in bondage. Seeing what exactly was wrong with a particular teaching and what was right enough about it that it baited us. The understanding will come in waves, but it will help you to heal.

I am sorry for what you have been through and what you have lost. Even though you feel regret for what you wish you had seen earlier, you can be thankful that you did eventually see it and stand up for yourself. That's not an easy thing to do, but you have.

It is also helpful to have the support of friends and there are supportive friends to be had - one place is here.

One more piece of advice. Try to be more selfish. By that, I mean if you are coming out of a spiritually abusive relationship(s) you are probably used to surpressing what you want, what you think, what you like. You might even feel like you have lost your identity. Find it again by doing what pleases you. If you don't know what you enjoy anymore, don't be afraid to try new things. As you find things you enjoy you are finding yourself. Reach toward the future and make the most of what lies ahead.

Wishing you the best,

sF

How about FABULOUS? A lot of the men I know use that quite a bit.

That reminds me of another pet peeve. Thesaurus abuse. "Manifold, verigated, multifarous, greatness of his wonderful loving goodness."

..."and how about that Way Productions song, that was wonderul!"

gee Shortfuse, I could give you at least 50 better reasons for leaving...................

but, hey, I've been there with the lingo thing.

The word ''prevail'' gets my blood boiling...

That's probably true. It's nice to vent a bit. 50 reasons, eh? Perhaps I will ask you to name them.

Shortfuse,

Are you still in?

Nottawayfer,

Are you some kind of detective? You seem to be hot on the trail. Read my posts.

Fabulous...I am a man and I have never and will never use the word Fabulous.

How about "unbelievable" yes, Our Unbelievable ministry is so unbelievablable, why it's unbelievable!!

I'm with you on this, OT. I like to insert an expletive into the word as in un-*@#%-believable or unbe-*@#%-lievable

If it's "wonderful", where and what are the "wonders"?

And the signs and miracles, come to that.

I wonder.

Everyday I hear wonderful people describing our wonderful ministry with such wonderful adjectives as "wonderful". Some wonderful day soon I will snap and I'm going to put my wonderfully large foot up their wonderful @ss!

Note to TWI wonderful watchdogs: You're killing me. Find another modifier! It's called a Thesaurus, you might want to check into it.

On their way to Washington I believe.

Litigious, yes. It also appears to be longer than most of the content on the site. It is just curious to have so big a disclaimer and so little total content.

Still at HQ.

Oh God, that is funny. A hand out on all your a$$ muscles? That's unreal. :lol:

Lindy,

That would have been funny, but that's not what I meant. There are other valve like structures in the body all named with a sphincter derived name. Apparently, your tear ducts for example have a sphincter. (The a$$ valve is just the most famous sphincter. ) I can't say for sure I'm describing it precisely in medical terms but the info was all long these lines. I'll have to check - I may still have that handout.

And I have a problem with comparisons to "sphincter regions"!

What's the difference between a "sphincter region" and LCM (really, TWI in general)?

A "sphincter region" helps to eliminate waste which would otherwise poison the body....

(you can take it from there)

'member when LCM was all excited about the Sphinx and sent the Corps a handout of all the sphincter muscles in the body. Turns out there are like 26. The sphinx is like a sphincter in that it "puckers together" the constellations of LEO and VIRGO.

I wouldn't think he was ever "in the Word."

In hindsight, I doubt how much he really studied the Bible either. Used to think he was the most "in the Word" dude out there.

Pretty sure the weekly report persists. There was something similar for WOW's back in the 90's. You wouldn't do less in the Prevailing Word would you? Seriously though, I'm almost positive they still do it.

Heard of this book as well from John or Beth at an ROA some time ago. I seem to remember them saying they had only bound a small number of copies. Maybe 25 or 250, something like that. May be hard to come by.

Here's my favorite unscriptural TWI platitude: "EVERYTHING GIVES OFF SOMETHING!" Better be damn careful what you're stuff gives off. And if your an artist, you really better watch it.

Attention TWI watchdogs: Let me break it down for you. All color is a reflection or refraction of light. God is all light. So shut the H up about evil colors and good colors. You're attributing evil to God. How you like me now...

I alluded to this in an earlier thread regarding who is running TWI. I am interest to know if anyone here knows with certainity if he lived in a TWI owned home in Toledo, and if he infact still does. Anyone know if he receives any kind of $$$ from TWI still? That would be f'd up IMO.

Actually, Belle, the Decade of Prevailing is the name of this here ten years. Decade of Victory is so 90's. I think the one before that was the Decade of Word Over The World. or something.

On the bright side, there is no "Century of Service", or "Millinium of Manifesting all nine all the time."

I was thinking about LCM when I posted the original question. He is said to live and work in Toledo, OH and I only recently found the article online about the property alledgedly owned by The Way in Toledo. Kinda fishy. If Craig is not involved in the direction of the Way (I doubt he really is), is he on the payroll in any capacity, or is he receiving any financial support from The Way.

He has been on "probation" for years now, and when people have asked about his status or standing with the ministry, or really any information about Craig, the reply has been "that's not your business, the ministry doesn't reveal people's private matters." Well that's disputable, but since Craig lead the whole ministry and affected loads of people throughout the ministry, it kind of elevates these matters to a bigger scale than his private business.

I'm guessing Rosalie is probably running things.

John,

I think I just got what your were saying. PC at work not a server, right?

You are thinking of GoToMyPC picked up a few years ago by Citrix.

Try this link http://www.gotomypc.com

Never worked with this product, but have heard good things about it.

cheers,

sF

Making progress with USB printers. It was a Terminal Server Configuration Setting at the server. Had to uncheck something. But still no luck in printing to my NETWORK printers at my site (client). They have IP addresses that begin with 192.168.??? which are internal IP addresses behind my router. Any clues as to how I might redirect those printers in a Terminal session?

There are a variety of system policies that limit client printing to varying degrees. (eg. "no client printers", "default client printer only", "local printers only", or "all printers"). I suspect you are still running into a restriction on the terminal server. If you connect to the network printer with an IP port on your local computer, it should look like any other physically connected printer to your Terminal server.

Regarding the routing issue with your IP scheme, this would be a problem only if attempting IP printing directly from the TS. In the scenario I describe above, the print job gets handed to your PC first and then to the printer, thus no routing to worry about.

I am thinking of trying Citrix. It looks very web based and easily configurable to limit remote users' access to the Server 2003 desktop, files, etc.

Is there a demo I might try before I buy?

There are typically demos available, yes. I am not clear if you own the client AND server side of this operation, or just the client. Citrix needs to be on the terminal server and the PC in order to work. I am highly experienced in this area of technology. PM me if you want to discuss in more detail.

Does anyone know for sure?

John,

First the USB question. It depends on the version of Windows you are connecting to. NT4 does not provide USB support. Windows 2000/2003 does. I'm guessing you are working with the newer stuff.

In that case, the printer connections are only established in the terminal server session if the print drivers from your PC exist on the Terminal Server. If they do not exist on the TS then the printer will not map in your session. Because of stability issues many sysadmins will only support native Windows drivers (meaning the ones that come with Windows). Typically, you will have to negotiate with your I.T. group to get the drivers you need installed, or find a suitable substitute driver they will support.

Now, concerning LPT/USB vs. network printers, these are treated the same by terminal server. It is really only looking at the queues on your PC. If the driver exists on the terminal server, it will create the queue in your session.

Citrix offers a universal print driver, that helps address these problems, as do several third party vendors in the universal driver space. If this is an ASP service you are paying for, definitely push them for some kind of universal driver support.

If all else fails, and you are working with a common file type you can copy the file to your local hard drive and print it. Alternately, you may be able to print to PDF on the terminal server and pass that back to your PC. These are clumsier solutions but they work in a pinch.

hth,

sF