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In Revelation, John quoted Isaiah: “They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.” (Rev. 7:16, 17) John quoted Isaiah (49:10; 25:8) for the same reason Paul quoted Isaiah and Hosea, and Peter quoted Joel: to reveal the future tense fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy in the light of New Testament revelation, the mystery. Paul and John both quoted from the prophecy found in Isaiah 25:8. No coincidence. Christ’s precedent. John’s Old Testament quote of Isaiah follows the sixth seal, and comes before the seventh seal. Thus, John’s quote of Isaiah is part of the sixth seal revelation: “And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood. And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.” (Rev. 6:12-14) This seal presents the same signs as prophesied by Peter: the sun turning black and the moon turning blood red. John's revelation adds to Peter's signs. Following the sixth seal, there are 3 separate prophecies for 3 separate groups of people: Gentiles (Rev. 6:15–17), Jews (Rev. 7:1-8), and the church of God (Rev. 7:9-17). This is exactly how God sees His creation: “the Jews, … the Gentiles, … the church of God” (1 Cor. 10:32). The third presentation, which pertains to the church, begins with Revelation 7:9: “After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.” (Rev. 7:9, 10) “Salvation to our God….” This future tense salvation is the same future tense salvation prophesied by Peter on Pentecost: “The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” (Acts 2:20, 21) John’s vision of the church raptured to Heaven concludes with John’s quote of Isaiah (Rev. 7:16, 17). The plagues of the wrath begin after the seventh seal opens in Rev. 8. And with the church already raptured to Heaven, it is saved from the wrath—exactly as Paul prophesied: (Rom. 5:9; 1 Thess. 1:10; 1 Thess. 5:9). When applying the precedent set by Christ, the revelation given to us by Peter, Paul, and John reveals this: The Rapture, which is accompanied by dramatic heavenly and earthly signs, will occur before the wrath. Next: Paul’s prophecy of the Rapture 1 Thess. 4 & 5, and what Paul says about the day of the Lord coming as a thief, and what Christ has to say about coming as a “thief.” revvel

Peter: Acts 2: Applying Christ's Precedent On Pentecost, Peter quoted Joel. And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this? Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Acts 2:12, 14-21) On Pentecost, Peter quoted Joel. Why? By the authority of Jesus Christ we know why: it is either the present tense or future tense fulfillment of prophecy. Or, in this case, it is both. First: Present Tense The crowd asked Peter, “What meaneth this?” And Peter quoted Joel. Peter quoted Joel for the same reason Paul quoted Habakkuk: it is the present tense fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy. Peter quoted Joel because it was the present tense fulfillment of Joel’s prophecy (Joel 2:28, 29). The Spirit was poured out, and continues to be poured out on those who believe the message of faith. Second: Future Tense Peter didn’t end his quote with Joel 2:29. He continued until Joel 2:32a, prophesying about the day of the Lord: “The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved” (Acts 2:20, 21). Peter prophesied about the day of the Lord for the same reason Paul quoted Isaiah (25:8) and Hosea (13:14): to reveal the future tense fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy. By quoting Joel 2:28-32a, Peter revealed the present tense and future tense fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy, and thus, he connected our present tense salvation with our future tense salvation. Peter is referring to all those who call on the name of Lord—which, in the context of Peter’s prophecy, are those filled with the Spirit. That’s us; Christ’s church. And according to the prophecy, our future tense salvation is accompanied by heavenly signs: the sun turning black and the moon turning blood red. In essence, on Pentecost, Peter revealed the mystery—which pertains to the church—hidden in Joel. And the rest of Joel’s prophecy (Joel 2:32b & following) applies to Israel’s future salvation. Next: John’s quote of the Old Testament as it pertains to our future salvation. revvel

Thanks Infoabsorption for the link. FYI: In the coming posts I will be in the Book of Revelation. revvel

Hi Infoabsorption, I can appreciate where you are coming from. I ask that you follow the prophets and apostles I will quote here. Eventually, this will come full circle back to Matt. 24. revvel

I question what you think or intend to communicate with your use of "in the light of New Testament revelation." Perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining that for me Hi TLC. To answer your question, I will quote Paul. Paul: FUTURE TENSE FULFILLMENT: 1 Cor. 15:51-55 In Corinthians 15, when Paul quoted the Old Testament prophets Isaiah and Hosea, he did so in the light of New Testament revelation. What is the New Testament light (revelation) you ask? Good question. Paul began his prophecy by saying this: “Behold, I shew you a mystery.” That’s your answer: “a mystery” which is composed of present and future tense prophetic fulfillment (present and future salvation). The “mystery” is New Testament light. Christ gave Paul revelation about the mystery. Paul revealed it while simultaneously quoting Old Testament prophets in the same context to reveal the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy. Here is a mystery and here are the Old Testament prophets, together: Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? (1 Cor 15:51-55) Paul revealed a mystery, and part of that mystery was already hidden in the Old Testament. Paul revealed the mystery hidden in the Old Testament when he quoted two Old Testament prophets: Isaiah (25:8) and Hosea (13:14). In essence, Paul revealed the mystery hidden in the Old Testament, which pertained to the future fulfillment of prophecy for Christ’s kingdom/church. Like Paul, Peter and John also quoted Old Testament prophets, revealing the mystery hidden in the Old Testament. Peter’s quote will be next post. revvel

Paul: Romans 1 “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.” (Rom. 1:16, 17) Paul quoted an Old Testament prophet, Habakkuk (2:4), “as it is written,” “The just shall live by faith.” Why did Paul quote Habakkuk? By the authority of Jesus Christ we know why: it is either the present tense or future tense fulfillment of prophecy, placed in the context of New Testament revelation. Paul quoted Habakkuk in the context of “salvation to every one that believeth.” This applies to the present tense. Thus, Paul quoted Habakkuk to show the present tense fulfillment of Habakkuk’s prophecy, which applies to our present salvation; Paul expounded upon “The just shall live by faith” when he presented the message of faith (Rom. 10:8-10). In subsequent posts, focusing on the future tense, I will quote Peter, Paul, and John and the Old Testament prophets they quoted—and apply Christ’s precedent to each. I will start with Paul. revvel

This post is about Christ's precedent. Christ established a precedent in the Gospels. When this precedent is applied to the revelation given by the apostles (Acts – Revelation), the “interpretation” of their revelation is provided by Christ. For, it is His precedent that is being applied. Christ’s precedent is found in the answer to this question: Why did Christ quote Old Testament prophets? Christ quoted Old Testament prophets to reveal the present tense fulfillment of prophecy or the future tense fulfillment of prophecy. And, He quoted the Old Testament prophets in the light of New Testament revelation. Thus, He revealed the context of the fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy. Examples: CHRIST’S PRECEDENT: PRESENT TENSE FULFILLMENT: Luke 4 If you were with The Way, you heard this: Christ quoted Isaiah (61:1, 2a) in Luke 4. And after doing so, “he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears” (Luke 4:21). Christ quoted Isaiah to reveal the present tense fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy: “This day….” CHRIST’S PRECEDENT: FUTURE TENSE FULFILLMENT: Matt. 24 “And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, ‘Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?’” (Matt. 24:3) These questions pertain to future tense fulfillment. And in Christ’s response, He quoted an Old Testament prophet: “[T]his gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains.” (Matt. 24:14-16) Christ quoted Daniel (9:27) and, in doing so, He revealed the future fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy in the light of New Testament revelation. This precedent established by Christ is His standard—as to why an Old Testament prophet is quoted. Thus, when an apostle quotes an Old Testament prophet, it is either to reveal the present tense or future tense fulfillment of Old Testament prophecy, in the context of New Testament revelation. When applying Christ’s precedent to Peter, Paul, and John, the following is revealed to be sound doctrine: the future tense fulfillment of prophecy—the Rapture—is accompanied by dramatic heavenly and earthly signs, and will come to pass prior to the wrath. Prior to posting the prophets quoted by Peter, Paul, and John, I thought it would benefit this thread to establish common ground by referring to Paul quoting the Old Testament in Romans 1. That is my next post. revvel

Hi Waysider, Thanks for stopping by. I was aware of the "degree mill" stuff for the doctorate. revvel

Hi TLC. Being raised Roman Catholic, frankly, I never heard of such theories. I will post next week from the Gospels. revvel

By the time I left The Way, I was well aware of the 3 popular theories of Christ’s appearance for His church (those born again in His kingdom): Pre-tribulation (“signless Rapture”), mid-tribulation, and post-tribulation. As with most in Christ’s kingdom, believers subscribed to one of the three—as did I. That was until the year 2000, when I experienced six weeks of divine intervention. To cut to the chase: Peter, Paul, and John are in complete agreement and all three disagree with these 3 popular theories (as given). And their harmonious voice is founded upon a profound—yet grossly neglected—biblical truth established by the Son of God in the Gospels. That was “a revelation.” From this biblical truth, this truth is evident: the Rapture, accompanied by dramatic heavenly and earthly signs, prior to the wrath, is sound doctrine. This principle established by Christ in Gospels reveals a systematic approach to the Bible that has no exceptions. This applies to our salvation and future salvation. Note: I thank God that Dr. Wierwille taught the pre-wrath Rapture. I know Christ’s appearance is a highly controversial subject… disagreement could abound on this thread… but I will get to Christ’s precedent in the coming posts. More next week. revvel

Hi TLC. Looks like it is this week for "a revelation."

Hi WordWolf, Thanks for your thoughts on Dylan. I thought I'd provide the lyrics for His title song, "Saved." As stated in the lyrics, "He bought me with a price." This is connected with treasures in Heaven, for, upon entering Christ's kingdom, treasures are simultaneously stored up in the form of our inheritance. That's Chapter 6 of Treasures in Heaven. Great words by Dylan: I was blinded by the devil, Born already ruined, Stone-cold dead As I stepped out of the womb. By His grace I have been touched, By His word I have been healed, By His hand I've been delivered, By His spirit I've been sealed. I've been saved By the blood of the lamb, Saved By the blood of the lamb, Saved, Saved, And I'm so glad. Yes, I'm so glad, I'm so glad, So glad, I want to thank You, Lord, I just want to thank You, Lord, Thank You, Lord. By His truth I can be upright, By His strength I do endure, By His power I've been lifted, In His love I am secure. He bought me with a price, Freed me from the pit, Full of emptiness and wrath And the fire that burns in it. revvel

This site, perhaps next week.

TLC & WordWolf: Thanks for the prompt. Allow me to elaborate. I wanted this thread to create awareness about treasures in Heaven via Treasures in Heaven. If someone cared to respond to His words on this thread, wonderful. TLC: I actually am pleased to address your question. It's not that I don't want an audience, but rather I wanted to adhere to my intent for the thread. TLC & WordWolf: In response your posts, I will start a new thread that has a very different intent: "A Revelation." Regarding Dylan, I posted it because I like his quote. And yes, friends of mine had no idea Dylan is born again and produced an album such as "Saved." It's awareness... that provoked thought. revvel

Hi TLC, I am pleased to respond to your question, but would prefer to have the exchange via email. As you have been to my site, stop by, and drop a line. Separate from your question, in the book I add to the subject by quoting Bob Dylan. Chapter 1 opens with the following: "Recently, I was reading an interview given by Bob Dylan (who embraced Jesus as his Lord, and sang about being “saved by the blood of the Lamb”5). Dylan said, “I knew Jimi Hendrix. I knew Janis Joplin. If they knew then what I know now, they’d still be here.”6 We lost Hendrix and Joplin much too soon. Each didn’t know what they didn’t know. That’s just it: We don’t know what we don’t know, and if what we don’t know is the truth, that’s tragic." Note: “saved by the blood of the Lamb” is from Dylan’s 1980 album, “Saved.” revvel

In February 1980 I was at “Weekend in the Word” in Philadelphia. If memory serves, it was on Sunday, February 24, that Dr. Wierwille taught, “God’s Dream of the Ages: The Royal Household of God.” Being raised Roman Catholic I had never seen or heard anything like this. I left The Way in 1995. On February 24, 2000 God intervened in my life, and that started six straight weeks of supernatural events. It ended April 6, almost to the minute it first started. I have been researching and writing ever since. Recently, I published a book, Treasures in Heaven. The entire book is published on my site – www.thetimeline.org – and is free. To give you a feel for the book, I have provided a section from the Prologue: “This book is about seeing our lives—and our future life—through His [Christ’s] invitation: “store up for yourselves treasures in Heaven.” With this invitation we are “asked” to answer relevant questions. Why did Christ give us this invitation? What are treasures in Heaven? How do we store them up? Throughout the entire New Testament, Christ the King revealed the glory of Heaven’s treasures, and this is what He presented: To store up treasures in Heaven is to seize the moment in the “here and now,” and it is to receive all that Heaven has to bestow in the “hereafter.” He also revealed this: Storing up treasures is not about chasing after a pot of gold; it is about a transformation of the “eyes.” Christ presented Heaven’s treasures to transform what we see. If we step out the door and see treasures in Heaven, it is clear we have accepted His invitation.” The Epilogue puts Heaven’s treasures in perspective by looking at the chronological order of end-time events as presented in Revelation. Finally, “The End” addresses recent scientific evidence, theory, and divine revelation in the Old and New Testaments. This section is designed for atheists, agnostics, and believers. revvel

Hello Abigail, God bless your heart! Thank you for your thoughts. Hello cman and George, Thankfully, Christ is our judge. God bless. revvel

Hello Socks, My prayer is that everyone following this understands the personal significance of how our God… marked our salvation on the Hebrew calendar… through the first deliverer, Moses, and how Christ made it a present reality for us. OUR SIGN: OUR FEAST The Feast of Trumpets is also referred to as the “Feast of the New Moon,” for it is the only annual feast of God that commences with this lunar sign from the heavens. This sign—of the seventh new moon—is our sign of salvation. We anticipate it with great joy!! God marked the glorious, future event of our harvest (on the Feast of Trumpets) by way of the Law. The Lord said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites: ‘On the first day of the seventh month you are to have a day of rest, a sacred assembly commemorated with trumpet blasts.’” (Lev. 23:23, 24) The Feast of Trumpets fell on the first day of the seventh religious month: Tishrei (equivalent to either September or October). Although Tishrei is the seventh month on the Jewish religious calendar, it is the first month on the Jewish civil calendar. The first day of Tishrei is known as “Rosh HaShanah” or, the “head of the year.” It is the start of the Jewish New Year. In the Torah (the books of Moses), Rosh HaShanah is referred to as Yom Teruah: the “Day of the Sounding of the Shofar (trumpet),” or the “Day of the Awakening Blast.” Teruah means “an awakening blast” and is also translated as “shout.” The Talmud (Jewish commentaries on Scripture) associates Rosh HaShanah with the resurrection of the dead. The corresponding prophecy is unmistakable: when the “awakening blast” sounds on Rosh HaShanah, truly the church of Christ shall “awake” to the Lord Jesus Christ. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump [trumpet] of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (1 Thess. 4:16, 17 KJV) The trumpet blast and the shout will summon all in the church of Christ. When shall this come to pass? Thousands of years ago, God had already marked the very day of the year on the Hebrew calendar when his Son would descent in the clouds for the church: New Year’s Day (Rosh HaShanah). How does the Hebrew calendar mark New Year’s Day? Unlike our modern-day calendar, the Hebrew calendar relied upon the moon to mark the first day of each month. The first day of each month on the Hebrew calendar was marked by the appearance of the new moon. When the first sliver of the new moon appeared in the sky, the Jewish authorities marked the first day of the month. Hence, the first day of the seventh month (Tishrei) was determined by the appearance of the seventh new moon. Herein, the heavens marked the start of the Feast of Trumpets: when the first sliver of the seventh new moon appeared in the sky, the first day of Tishrei was marked—and so was the start of the feast. This is what God’s people anticipated with joy—and this is what God’s people still anticipate with joy!! September 11, 2007... God’s New Year’s Day... was to be anticipated with joy!! Next year... God's New Year's Day will begin on September 29. God's people... world over... will again anticipate this with joy. Socks: My prayer is that you will sense the significance of this as well. Socks: In direct response to your question: I anticipated God's Day, on 9/11, with joy.... Do I wish I was already transformed immortal... and talking with you in Heaven? Yes. Will I anticipate God's Day next year? Yes. To close, I leave you with this: THE NEW MOON: ISRAEL AND REBIRTH The new moon speaks of rebirth for Israel... What follows is the Hebrew liturgy that is read on the Sabbath that precedes the New Moon: “The Reader: ‘He who wrought miracles for our fathers and redeemed them from slavery unto freedom, may He speedily redeem us and gather our dispersed ones from the four corners of the earth. So let us say, Amen! ‘[Hear ye] All Israel: . . . The New Moon shall be on the . . . day of the coming week! May it come to us and all Israel for good!’” “The Congregation: ‘May the Holy One, blessed be He! Renew unto us and unto all His people the House of Israel for life and peace, for gladness and joy, for salvation and consolation! So let us say, Amen!’” This same joy of future salvation rings just as true for us, the church. God bless. revvel

Hello agape99, God bless your heart. I appreciate the love of Christ you shared. revvel

Hello everyone, This is my final (planned) post for this thread. It is not about prophetic Scripture, but is an observation about our history. CALENDAR YEAR 2007 What is significant about calendar year 2007? 2007 marks 40 years since the 1967 Middle East War when Old Jerusalem returned back into the hands of the followers of the Old Covenant. How significant is the number “40” in the Bible? For 40 years the Israelites wandered in the wilderness. What did the Israelites hear? Be careful to follow every command I am giving you today, so that you may live and increase and may enter and possess the land that the Lord promised on oath to your forefathers. Remember how the Lord your God led you all the way in the desert these forty years, to humble you and to test you in order to know what was in your heart, whether or not you would keep his commands. He humbled you, causing you to hunger and then feeding you with manna, which neither you nor your fathers had known, to teach you that man does not live on bread alone but on every word that comes from the mouth of the Lord. (Deut. 8:1-3) If God gave the Israelites exactly 40 years to take him seriously after delivering them from Egypt, then is it possible that God has given the whole world exactly 40 years to take him seriously after again delivering the Israelites from Egypt (and the other Arab countries) in the 1967 war? Without question, the parallel between Moses and Jesus is unmistakable: Just as God gave the Israelites exactly 40 years to take him seriously after sending the first deliverer, Moses, God again gave the Israelites exactly 40 years to take him seriously after sending the second deliverer, Jesus the Christ. (The temple was destroyed exactly 40 years after the Crucifixion.) If God counted down 40 years to when the first deliverer, Moses, helped deliver his people to the Promised Land, then is it possible that Heaven is again counting down 40 years to when the second deliverer, Christ, will deliver his people, us, from Earth to the Promised Land, Heaven? God bless. revvel

THE LAW OF MOSES, THE PROPHETS, AND THE PSALMS Regarding divine prophecy, Christ said: “Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms” (Luke 24:44). If the Law, the prophets, and the Psalms foreshadowed what would come to pass, then the New Testament must be in agreement with the Old Testament. The Old Testament is our standard not only for behavior but prophecy. The Old Testament is the foundation on which New Testament prophecy is built. The Old Testament can only be fulfilled—never contradicted. PROPHETIC TIME The Old Testament Law marks prophetic time—via the holy days. The prophets marked prophetic time; Daniel marked the “acceptable year of the Lord.” The questions we as Christ’s church need to ask are these: Just what exactly do the Psalms have to say about the second coming of Christ? If the Law of Moses and the prophets marked prophetic time, can the Psalms mark prophetic time? 150 PSALMS: 150 YEARS There are unmistakable parallels between what has occurred in the twentieth century and what is found in the Psalms. In essence, there are striking correlations that present us with the following conclusion: the numbered Psalms correspond to the numbered years. For example, Psalm 96 corresponds to 1996. In 1996, the nation of Israel celebrated “Jerusalem 3000,” marking the 3000th anniversary of King David bringing the Ark of the Covenant to Jerusalem. The record of David’s achievement is found in First Chronicles 15:28, 29 and 16:1-33. What follows are the closing three verses of that section: Let the heavens rejoice, let the earth be glad; let them say among the nations, “The Lord reigns!” Let the sea resound, and all that is in it; let the fields be jubilant, and everything in them! Then the trees of the forest will sing, they will sing for joy before the Lord, for he comes to judge the earth. (1 Chron. 16:31-33) What follows is the record found in Psalm 96: Let the heavens rejoice, let the earth be glad; let the sea resound, and all that is in it; let the fields be jubilant, and everything in them. Then all the trees of the forest will sing for joy; they will sing before the Lord, for he comes, he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world in righteousness and the peoples in his truth. (Ps. 96:11-13) This record in Psalm 96 is not just a recording of history; it is prophecy!! The prophecy in Psalm 96 was fulfilled in 1996. Israel celebrated its history in 1996 and Psalm 96 prophesied of that time. The Psalms are not just a collection of old Hebrew tunes... The Psalms speak of prophecy… and they speak of redemption… and they speak of the descent of Christ… and they speak of the church. Take a look at what the NIV scholars stated in the study Bible about the Psalms: “[T]he Psalms ultimately speak of Christ’s church. The Psalter is not only the prayer book of the second temple; it is also the enduring prayer book of the people of God. Now, however, it must be used in the light of the new era of redemption that dawned with the first coming of the Messiah and that will be consummated at his second coming,” (page 779). THE PSALMS: THE GENERATION The Psalmist prophesied of a future generation: Let this be written for a future generation, that a people not yet created may praise the Lord. (Ps. 102:18) What people were not yet created at the time of the Psalms? The church. Why would the Psalms speak to a future generation unless the Psalms would benefit a future generation? If the prophecy in Psalm 96 was fulfilled in 1996, then will the prophecy of Psalm 107 be fulfilled in 2007? Psalm 107 opens with the following: Give thanks to the Lord, for he is good; his love endures forever. Let the redeemed of the Lord say this—those he redeemed from the hand of the foe, those he gathered from the lands, from east and west, from north and south. (Ps. 107:1-3) Who are the redeemed of the Lord? Who shall be redeemed? Who shall be gathered? What did Paul say? Having believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory. (Eph. 1:13, 14) The church shall be redeemed and gathered. Is the Psalmist speaking of gathering the church in Psalm 107? Is it possible that the Psalmist calendar and the Mosaic calendar are in perfect harmony with the prophecies of the New Testament, and the lunar sign of the seventh new moon during calendar year 2007? I present the following as a catalyst for thought—not as a prediction. *Every year the Mosaic calendar reveals to us a potential date of our redemption: the appearance of the seventh new moon. This year that day is September 11. *On September 11, there is also a solar eclipse. The New Testament reveals that our celestial signs include solar and lunar signals: the sun turns black and the moon turns blood red. *Christ was born with the appearance of the seventh new moon—which also happened to be September 11. *Psalm 107 speaks of gathering the redeemed. To be continued… Next: What is significant about calendar year 2007? Note: Regarding the Psalms… take a look at Psalm 91 and compare it to what took place in 1991: the Gulf War. It is said that many soldiers read Psalm 91 during the war. God bless. revvel

Thanks for the song, Jonny Lingo. I feel the same way. cman: I appreciate your interest in the subject... My interest is searching out what God marked in the Scriptures and heavens about prophetic time--and looking back at our history. I invite you to debate anything you disagree with here. God bless. revel THE HOLY DAYS: THE HEBREW CALENDAR: HISTORY AND OUR FUTURE Understanding our spiritual future is rooted in understanding our spiritual history. Hundreds of years prior to the first coming of Christ, God—through Moses—marked the timing of the following dramatic events on the Hebrew calendar: Christ’s Crucifixion, burial, Resurrection, and the descent of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost. Christ fulfilled the first four holy days: he was crucified on the Feast of Passover; he was in the burial tomb on the Feast of Unleavened Bread, he was resurrected from the dead on the Feast of Firstfruits, and, finally, Christ sent the Holy Spirit to his disciples on the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost)—which was fifty days after the Resurrection. These events occurred as appointed by God, prophesied in the Old Testament Law. There are three holy days that have yet to be fulfilled: the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, and the Feast of Tabernacles. The next grand event on Heaven’s prophetic calendar is Christ’s descent to gather his church, and the next holy day to be fulfilled is the Feast of Trumpets—which commences with the seventh new moon. Let us allow the Law to speak to us today—for it is prophetic in nature: “The law is . . . a shadow of the good things that are coming” (Heb. 10:1). God bless. revel

Hello cman, To summarize, this thread is about giving heed to prophetic Scriptures (that speak of the first and second arrivals of Christ), and, in addition, looking at the heavens, our current reality, and history. This thread is not about date setting. In the previous post, I am not making a prediction, but looking at the parallel between the birth and future descent of our Lord... as found on the Hebrew calendar: the seventh new moon and the holy day of Trumpets. God bless. revvel

CELESTIAL SIGNS: THE BIRTH OF CHRIST AND THE DESCENT OF CHRIST At the time of Christ’s birth, the sun and moon were in the constellation Virgo. A great and wondrous sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. (Rev. 12:1, 2) The celestial signs of Revelation 12 occurred over the holy land on September 11, 3 B.C. On this day, it was the seventh new moon that appeared at the feet of Virgo. In 3 B.C., this announced the commencement of the holy day of Trumpets—and as Jerusalem thundered with trumpets, Christ the King was born!! The parallel between the first and second arrivals of Christ is unmistakable: Just as celestial signs lined up with the holy day of Trumpets to mark the birth of Christ the King, so shall celestial signs again line up with the holy day of Trumpets to mark the descent of Christ the King. Is it possible that just as Christ the King was born on September 11 following the seventh new moon, that he shall descend for us on September 11 following the seventh new moon? Why wouldn’t our Lord want us to study the motion of the heavens? Didn’t the wise men—who studied the motion of the heavens—receive God’s blessing at the time of the first coming of Christ? This is our precedent. If the heavens were already set in motion to line up the first coming of Christ (and the Hebrew calendar), then it stands to reason that the Heavens are already set in motion to line up with the descent of Christ (and the Hebrew calendar). Note: For an expanded presentation on the September 11, 3 B.C. birth of our Lord, see www.thetimeline.org and click on “The First Coming of Christ.” I also invite you to search the net: “September 11, 3 B.C. birth of Christ.” I gratefully acknowledge the work of V.P. Wierwille in Jesus Christ Our Promised Seed. To be continued… God bless. revvel

CELESTIAL SIGNS: SEPTEMBER 11, 2007 On September 11, 2007, the sky will witness the following events: a solar eclipse followed by the appearance of the seventh new moon (on the Hebrew calendar). What is the potential significance of this celestial display on this calendar date? …This thread is not about date setting. It is about this: What are the celestial signs that signal our transformation to immortality? How will the Earth itself signal the time of our transformation? What is significant about calendar year 2007? What were the celestial signs in the constellation Virgo that signaled the first coming of Christ? If we can look back in time at the heavens to mark the birth of Christ, then why can’t we look forward in time at the heavens to study what our Lord revealed? Why else would our Lord reveal the celestial signs that correspond to our transformation, unless we are supposed to give heed to the celestial signs that correspond to our transformation? How does our spiritual history foreshadow our spiritual future? Why else would Christ say, “know that it is near, right at the door” (Matt. 24:33), unless we are supposed to “know that it is near, right at the door”? We are to know the times we are in. There should be no doubt. Look at what Christ said in his day: He said to the crowd: “When you see a cloud rising in the west, immediately you say, ‘It’s going to rain,’ and it does. And when the south wind blows, you say, ‘It’s going to be hot,’ and it is. Hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and the sky. How is it that you don’t know how to interpret this present time?” (Luke 12:54-56) Christ established the authority to discern the signs of the times. He admonished his contemporaries to give heed to what the Old Testament prophets spoke regarding the coming Messiah. Hence, likewise, it makes spiritual sense to give heed to the prophecies that apply to Christ’s descent for us. OUR CELESTIAL SIGNS: JOEL, PETER, JOHN, AND PAUL On the day we are transformed immortal, the sun will turn black and the moon will turn blood red (Joel 2:28-32; Acts 2:16-21; Rev. 6:12-14; 7:9-17). The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord. And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. (Acts 2:20, 21) We call on the name of the Lord and we will be saved—transformed immortal—upon the appearance of these celestial signals. What is the significance of the sun and moon? They correspond to the celestial clock—which is a prophetic clock. Is it possible that the solar sign of the sun turning black refers to an eclipse? What about the blood-red moon? Paul revealed that it will not be any moon, but that it will be the seventh new moon on the Hebrew calendar. How do we know this? Paul prophesied that our transformation would take place at the sound of the last trumpet: Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed—in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. (1 Cor. 15:51, 52) The last trumpet corresponds to the holy day of Trumpets; this holy day commences with the appearance of the seventh new moon. Paul himself spoke of the prophetic nature of the new moon and of the Hebrew holy days: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come. (Col. 2:16, 17 KJV) The holy days and the new moon foreshadow “things to come” regarding the arrival of the Messiah—which includes our future salvation. We as Christ’s church have two unmistakable, celestial signals: the sun will turn black and the seventh new moon will turn blood red. What is our third celestial sign? [A]nd the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. (Rev. 6:13) What is our earthly sign? I [John] watched as he [Christ] opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red. (Rev. 6:12) OUR SIGNALS What if the seventh new moon on September 11 turns blood red? What if the stars fall from the sky on September 11? What if there is a great earthquake on September 11? What if the solar eclipse on September 11 is our solar signal? Then we shall be transformed immortal!! Then we shall declare this in Heaven: Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Rev. 7:10) That’s us!! This is what we as Christ’s church will proclaim when we stand before the throne of Heaven!! This is what Peter meant on Pentecost when he said we will be “saved.” MOSES, JOEL, PETER, JOHN, AND PAUL The prophets and apostles revealed to us that Christ must descend for us some year when the sun turns black, when the stars fall to Earth, when there is a great earthquake, and when the seventh new moon turns blood red—on Heaven’s holy day of Trumpets, at the sound of the last trumpet. The seventh new moon is the key, for every year, it reveals a specific month and day. In calendar year 2007, that day is September 11. In 2007, the seventh new moon will appear on September 11 at 12:44 UT (Universal Time). The solar eclipse will begin at 10:24 UT, then will reach its maximum point at 12:30 UT, and will end at 14:35 UT. (The eclipse will be seen in the southern hemisphere.) In essence, the seventh new moon will appear fourteen minutes after solar eclipse maximum. Note: On the modern-day Hebrew calendar, the holy day of Trumpets (Rosh HaShanah) will be celebrated on September 13, 2007. However, the start of this Hebrew holy day no longer coincides with the actual appearance of the seventh new moon, but instead relies on a mathematical computation that has been in use for about 1700 years. What matters to us is the directive God gave to Moses: The appearance of the seventh new moon marks GOD’S holy day, prophetic time, and the descent of Christ for us. Note: For an expanded presentation on the holy days, see www.thetimeline.org and click on “Prophecy: The Seven Holy Days.” To be continued… God bless. revvel