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I KNEW IT, you old 'King of Tyre' you !!

maximum information in minimal amount of time....makes sense to me.

I hope not because she keeps dropping the 'O' in G_D !!

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Careful...the 'smart a@sed comments' policeman might pop up !!

And Oaks..the amount of 'putting down' that anything to do with pfal beliefs cops, sort of 'infers' that those that 'adhere' to it are idiots, wellll...in my books makes me feel o.k. to believe that those that have shunned it are idiots too !!

yeah...sorry, I just took it for granted that most of us knew the thing backwards and sideways anyways.

It's o.k. Dancing, most of us have Bibles, maybe you don't need to reem off pages of scriptures.

Sir Guess...'Flowery' again

Abi...Jewish tinted glasses

Blah blah blah...goodnight !

Sorry, I must have missed something...the woman is what spirit ??

Hi Tommy...try this linkhere

they are associated with CFFM etc.. read their testimonies, especially those of a Sangat Bains

Actually, from what I recall it was just touted as 'ones own' and loosely implied by VP as to the 'origin' of idiot. It was never referred to by VP as a 'letting loose', that's another greek word.

What I meant was that just like Jesus Christ as the 'red thread' throughout the Bible, Lucifer, Satan is (for want of a better description) the 'loose thread' or 'black thread' throughout the Bible. As such, one has to look at Satan in the context of the whole Bible. No reference to 'illiteracy' et al was intended, my apologies in advance to Lindyhopper if 'how' I opened up may offend !!

Maybe I should just cut and paste the WHOLE Bible ? The Bible mentions at least the INITIAL 'goodliness' of Lucifer. (perfect in the day he was CREATED) Ezekiel 28:15 , yes I believe it is a reference to satan, no man is ever called a 'cherub'.

Satan would not have been 'perfect' if there was ANY residual evil in him initially.

The 'evil' had to develop like a cancer.

Lucifer could have stopped and repented at any time, I'm sure Gods' mercy would even have extended to him. (Even in the 'midst' of hell God is there) Psalm 139:8

Pride and envy got in the way. Ezekiel 28:17

LCM was given as an example by me because (as I said) on a human level, he was/is someone who went from making godly good decisions to PROGRESSIVELY evil and unrighteous decisions.

Well that's true too...the fulness of the Gentiles not yet 'fully in' ??

Very good Kit ! With all the guesses/guessers someones bound to get it right eventually. I like Revvels synopsis about end times; I think how could anyone really be prepared for the second advent ?

As Revvel says " what if you woke up one morning and the world as you knew it had changed forever ? "

Well maybe read the posts again Dan.

Well I thought the 'rationalist society' members would turn up pretty quickly !!

That someone (or something) could go from being REALLY nice and holy to progressively more evil and darker should not seem so foreign a concept ?? LCM is a good example just on a human level. He has a chance to repent just like I'm sure Lucifer did as well. Adam repented and then got on with trying to right some wrongs.

With Lucifer it seems some things like pride and envy got in the way of his repenting. What can't you understand ?? What seems so unlikely ??

Just the mere fact that you're sitting in front of a computer on a sphere in the 'midst' of a galaxy called the 'milky Way' swirling around an unfathomable universe with conscious thoughts of what you're doing, (namely the same as what you're posting about) to me makes it TOTALLY plausible !!!

Wonderful stuff again...thanks so much Roy.

It's o.k. Dancing, spare me the details.

How about ..."Religion keeps beating you over the head all day whilst telling you to be positive" - quote, lifelines.

"Blessed are they who have NOT seen, but believe"- Jesus

Sorry...what Jesus are we talking about here Dancing ??

Thanks for your in-depth perception Dave !! As they say, "always two sides to any story".

Can't recall 'flaming or insulting' Safari at all, can you help me out here ??

All I've tried to do is 'show' that 'vegan(ism)' can become a 'religion' like any other (ism).

Since when have I 'decreed' someone like that will go to hell Mo ?? I don't think even twi taught that, but rather that someone like the example you've given will be 'resurrected' and 'judged' with Gods' wisdom as to how they lived their life.

The Israelites 'died' without ever 'knowing Jesus' either. Differn't judgement Mo, differn't ressurection, differn't rewards.

But 'baptism for the dead' ?? I don't think so.

"And as it is appointed men once to die, but after this the judgement" Hebrews 9:27

As I said...all things in moderation...even vegan(ism). And the truth of the matter is MANY vegetarians and vegans look 'sicker' than 'your average Jo Schmo' !!