dancing

and i don't think common sense and spiritual need to clash

but they will flow together

touche' on the first line...:)

had to look up pragmatic...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pragmatic

personally i think life is very spiritual

even from an atheist perspective

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Personally I think if two people willing participate in the act of sex and the woman becomes pregnant both should take responsibility to have the child. And perhaps put the child up for adoption if they cannot handle the responsibility.

I do not agree with twi that abortion is right the way they taught us

Though I would say that in cases of rape and endangerment to the mother, abortion can be considered. Primarily the mother's decision, though the father can have some say in the matter if it's not a rape case.

Planned parenting is something that is solely up to the parents and not any church organization. It is their decision and their's alone for they are the ones to take care of the results of their decision.

My wife and I decided to stop at two kids by legal medical means.

Sometimes we wish we would not have stopped at two and sometimes we are glad we did.

ok sushi, i don't get it.

though i agree with the statement

i thought it would say 'can be'.

can you say more?

hi Garth,

yeah they can be just like anyone else

i've learned a lot of bible from them too

they ask questions that many bible students never thought of

which i'm very interested in

and the common sense approach to life in general

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/nontheism/atheism/

I've learned a lot from different atheism sites.

Anyone care to share what they see?

to pick and choose strange teachings that seemed to contradicit one another(Bullinger vs. Lamsa for example) is not legitimate research

Thomas,

I think there is where the real challenge is.

Tofind the whys and what fors of those strange teachings.

I've learned from Greasespot that if everyone thinks alike then no one is thinking.

I think that is a tag line for someone here.

yeah, no response george

good

those who know nothing should say nothing

or ask

don't see that happening

damn shame'

just let 'fate' f you

keep bending over

sticking your head in the sand

bye

i estimate the dead to be at least 100

in their actual vulnerability penetration operation

into our schools

it was only a vulnerability test

100 kids are not really dead

what can we do

THINK mainly

you keep implying that i'm promoting something i'm not

and i'll keep shoving it back in your slow face

and i can say more about

prevention-mitigation

preparedness

response

recovery

if anyone is interested

another day though

i'm going to bed

of course this is about saving lives

and changing lives

not sure if this is what bramble had in mind

from bramble

Quite honestly, making plans and carrying them out has worked far better for us in terms of finances, jobs etc than our former practices

george you used different terms then finances, jobs etc

these things work the same basically in other situations

george

just cause you like to change my meaning to suit yourself

that don't change what i meant

you want an argument

i'm saying there are things you are missing

probably intentionally to justify your own ignorance

your privilege

and my privilege to counter your point of view

nothing was said about everyone being safe

you changed the subject

it's about how much control do we have over life

you are basically saying none

i say we have more then we realize

IF we just search it out

and we are all ignorant in various things

wonder what would happen if we listened to each other?

0 yeah,

there were also reps from fed law enforcement

police departments

and government officials there too

hi george

And the really big, all-encompassing, far-reaching events in our lives we have little or nothing to say about

your list leaves out the really big, all-encompassing, far-reaching events in our lives

and there are things we can do about it

not only the things in your list

but those things that you may have ruled out

and i don't mean prayer the way you think of it

plus there is a hell of a lot more then prayer that can be done

on another note

my entire school district staff

of which i'm a part of

just had a day conference

with the department of homeland security

prevention-mitigation

preparedness

response

recovery

it was an interesting day for sure

might want to look up some of those words

maybe you don't believe they exist

thanks WW,

sometimes things are hard to put in words

good job

i'd dump yahoo toolbar though,

gettin pretty crowded up there

plus you can still keep the anti spy perk from norton

its in program files

yahoo

nss

send it to the desktop as an icon

ie7 seems to be working ok.

didn't install net framework though and it all works.

powerful endorsements of the "rightness" of the doctrine

How is that the doctrine gets the credit?

Getting miraculously healed

Who heals? What heals?

Not doubting your statement about being healed.

Just how it came to pass.

Good points waysider

why is it that doctrine is held in such high esteem when it is not even understood?

under the old definition of 'right believing'

let's take for instance

'the giver and the gift' pfal style

what if one was shown differently

not by men but by the revelation of Jesus Christ

wouldn't there be a choice to make?

what if it is different yet not fully understood?

would one hold to the old doctrine or leave it-

to seek further this new found way of learning

and what was learned?

(of course the old learning is still in the mind and can actually be drawn upon, even dismantled to see what held it together)

I think there is a great fear of lost control.

Rather then fear it, investigate it.

Why am I not in control?

Who is controling?

What is the purpose?

why do we HAVE a doctrinal section anyway?

Good Question.

what is doctrine anyway

some unchangeable thought pattern?

a system of thinking?

rules and regulations?

is it a tank with thick armour that nothing could get through?

I THINK NOT!!!

lol....

has man progressed and not God?

if God doesn't change have we ever really seen him?

the bible...pfffft...

o my God

held in the face like some kind of rule book

NEVER INTENDED TO BE THAT AT ALL!!!!!!

imo....of course

remove NOT the landmarks!!!!!............. they yell

shoot, just where in the flock are they?

we are to GROW

which means changeing thinking

'we shall all be changed' it says

well I damn well hope it's more then my body

cause my thoughts are getting tiresome sometimes

bored, depressed, angry, joy, gladness

all those FEELINGS that some religous people despise

yeah, they say control your emotions

f you, no, maybe i want to see where they lead me!

not to hurt though my own hurt lives

not for gladness though i'd like it to be there

without sadness where would happy be?

so

o yeah, doctrine

what an abused word

limiting so much that can be experienced

learned seen felt in every part of the mind and body

let's pick a new definition for doctrine

like say.......

what we need to be feel hear learn and grow out of

into the arms and mind of a living breathing God

that is so darn close you can smell it

God says move

the Spirit is moving

well by God I'll leave my tire marks all over that damn word

run it over a few times

till i can BREATH THE SPIRIT OF GOD again

Oakspear,

Yes this is a site for ex twi or anyone else.

Why attack twi doctrine?

Because it's still alive and well in many circles.

Not only in twi but in other 'camps' as well.

twi doctrine is the slavery that men have produced from the workings of God.

twi is a profile of what can be doine to harm injur and kill people.

twi is a perspective that will stop the mind from thinking and give in to peer pressure.

The spirit of the old testament killed by the carenal mind,

nailed to a cross that which was against us and contrary to us.

Taking it out of the way.

Principalities and powers still want to try to show their hand of deceit.

Clear thinking and freedom to think without dogma.

The spirit of God knows no bounds.

It cannot be bound unless we let something bind it.

yeah well i believe everyone is going to heaven

some will have more hell then others to face

cuz no 'man' can see God and live

so many things must die and and change

and though lcm and vpw may have 'tasted'

they certainly did not go any further

to compare lds and the way

is quite silly

they each have their own whatevers

differences can be seen

so can likenesses

don't make em the same

vpw lusted to be as big as lds

and despised God at the same time

what a mixed up fruit

besides his obvious hatred of eastern religions

faith in what would be a question

faith in what we we think we know

or what we really do know and have seen

yet not attained but attainable

a living faith must a living reality

Well I think all religions can be a stumbling block to knowing God.

To having his Christ work within.

If a religion forbids other religions from the same blessings,

I'd say a change should occur.

Out of all I've seen the Hindu Faith is the most universal in practice.

And this is nothing against you templelady.

How you found and got involved and why with LDS.

Is your business, as well as staying with it.

Problem is that people are putting Christ in a corner.

And saying well this is hoiw it was set up and this is how God wants it.

To go upon anothers 'revelation' as from God to you.

Is quite the mistake.

We learn from others but the Holy Spirit teaches you.