1 john 3:1

Let's not rejoice in iniquity, Tom, I don't like to see any believer ill.

Hey Sush, Quote the whole quote, not just what you want. Sushi, this is a personal letter to me...............from Sangat ( & ) also Linda is available to talk to so give her a call......... enough said. The 1st part was a personal letter to me from Sangat the other was forwarded to my from a believer in Calif. It was from Linda with her name, town & state. I did not go to CFF looking for it, glad you did, helps the doubters. Perhaps you can try whitepages.com If you put the name in you will find two Pauls! Jr. & another Paul. They are probably related. However; your motivation seems questionable to say the least since you don't believe it. I am sure she is interested in people wtih physical needs who are struggling and that she wants to help. Yes he could have and how sad that he didn't get it. It's sad when anyone is ill and does not get the deliverance they deserve. It's a gift, you don't earn it.

Sushi, this is a personal letter to me...............from Sangat & also Linda is available to talk to so give her a call......... enough said. You can be a doubting thomas but that's your perogative, many of us do not doubt God's ability or the ability of the power of Christ within us. Sorry but I have to end this here, we are very blessed, God bless you all!

Excuse me if I missed something here but neither of us are "dis" or "cuss out" other denominations? I believe it is the basis of this forum to do that. We happen to fellowship in many different places. Don't twist or put words in our mouth. In addition it is GOD that brings healing, working thru his people. We work with together with more people from many different groups so I am not sure where you are coming from or what you are referring to. Don't include PL & I Thomas in that thought pattern, PL attends a church as well as other places. I really hate the way things on this forum are not read & quoted correctly as well as the twisting. I am not biased against any group, just certain individuals who have caused harm and most already know who they are & they have to live with themselves. I think this discussion is over for me.

Way to go Pink Lady. You have shared alot of wisdom here and I totally agree with you. I was thinking before (and still haven't yet) going to bed about how much Word each believer here at GS has in their hearts. I hear what they went thru. I believe with all my heart that any one of them could start up their own fellowship in their own home & teach the greatness of the Word. So much Word gets thrown back and forth, it's just a matter of putting it together and just teaching it. I don't see in the Word where it tells anyone (with their experience here) that they can't run their own fellowship. Obviously having been victims, and having posted here for many years, why not just let go and let God & start loving and teaching in their own homes. No one has to Lord over anyone and I think that's what I have been trying to convey here. LEGALISM, hahaha, they changed their fellowship night so you could go to church. I love it.!!!! After TWI, we just started teaching within our own family & a few of the believers who had left. Well we are still here & Rev. Shroyer, Rev. Clapp and several other believers have just blessed our lives. They just want to know how they can serve us better. It's such a revelation after so many years of the error creeping into TWI. So if we all agree about the legalistic bs, just go run a fellowship, teach what you know & no legalism. You would be amazed what you will see & how God will bless you. Sangat was very instrumental as well as Rev. Shroyer, Rev.Clapp at bringing us back to the greatness of the healing we are now seeing again. That was my first clue that something was very wrong with TWI. Everyone in our area was sick & I mean really sick. Now that is over and we have moved on with new people. So we just don't get hung up on words & being misread. Like, the law of believing. I still believe law = an avenue to God. Pistis, shmistis who cares. When we believe, awesome things happen. Do bad things happen too, of course but we can tackle it better knowing God is with us. I also hated when ministries began to focus on the Adversary rather than God and his power. It's so subtle..........I would rather confess God did this and God did that instead of what the Adversary is trying to do. This was part of the way down for TWI back in the 90's. Now so many of us have been able to get rid of that last shred of fear that they dumped on us and we are moving again. So I encourage the gs's here to just go do a fellowship..........teach the Word that you believe in your heart is right. We will never have it all perfect and will waste precious time trying to always figure out every jot and tittle. Just enjoy life and give believers a chance instead of pouncing on every word and being critical. Enough said, I am going to bed. PL I cann't wait I am so excited for you.................It's gonna happen, in the meantime enjoy life and thank you for your timely post.

ABSOLUTELY: This was from Sangat on August 26, 2006 in reference. By the way, I have received a wonderful testimony of Linda Morrison from her husband Paul who live in West Virginia. I thought to share this testimony as it inspired me and I know that this will increase our expectation that nothing is impossible with God. Linda lost her, I think, her left eyes at her young age so she has been wearing a glass eye when I met her with her husband in Tipp City for the first time. John and I ministered healing to her as her faith was that she would be able to see. This is the background of this testimony. Our God is indeed the Mighty God and Able to bring to pass all the desires of our heart. Then later: An update on Linda's eye. I don't know if anyone told you. July 8 a new eye appeared and she saw flashes of light. It seems to be a small eye growing. It is white with a large dark iris forming. Some blue is starting to show and what looks like a pupil. She can no longer wear her false eye because it won't fit comfortably. She can not see out of it yet and it is much smaller but growing. She wears a patch over it to cover it and protect it. God told her she could show it to her dad and then her mother. they were blown away because they were there when the surgeon removed it. Their whole world was rocked. Her mom now wants ministered to. He wrote another mail and told me that It is continuing to grow to become a full eye. THIS NOTE FROM LINDA: Rec'd Dec. 17, 2006.............. My testimony is a bit lengthy but if you read it all the way through it is capable of helping you or someone you know immensely. At the age of two I was suppose to have corrective surgery for a drooping right eyelid... the surgeons decided to try something new. They cut the eyelid off. Rather brutal. Not too long after the eyelashes began growing back but because the lid had been sliced the lashes grew down and into the eye, piercing it all over like tiny little needles. The eye became badly damaged and i lived in excruciating pain. I lost the sight in the eye. No doctor would take my case because of the fear of malpractice until one day while my dad was having his flight physical a United Airlines Flight Surgeon recommended a doctor in Chicago and one in New York City . These two doctors teamed up and began a lengthy procedure of twenty one surgeries over several years trying to correct the badly damaged eye. They did remarkable work but the sight could not be recovered. In February of '91 the pressure behind the eye built to a point where I could no longer function. I had to stay in a dark room with pressure over the eye. The pain was unbearable. I couldn't care for my two young sons. I flew to Chicago and had the eye removed. Through the years, even before the eye was removed I searched for healing through spiritual counselors and not a few. I can very much relate to the woman with the issue of blood. My family had spent a great deal of money and I searched high, low and in between for healing. I too could never accept what the enemy had blindsided me with. However, I was told before the eye was removed that there was not enough community believing to be healed or that healing went out with the Apostles, or it faded away when Jesus left, God only heals really good, religious people (I was either good or religious but never both at the same time or I was really bad). After the eye was removed I was told it never happened in the Bible, God won't heal me because He's have to change all the physical laws in the universe to do it, if I wanted healing I shouldn't have had the eye removed and He (God) won't go against my initial choice, replacing an organ or a limb is nowhere in the Bible... one thing I wasn't told is 'Yes, God will heal you.' I was devastated because these people knew more and probably still do about the Bible than I. They must be right. Besides, they are my leaders. They would know. I couldn't understand why God would heal this disease, that illness, this person, that person, but He won't or He can't heal me. It never made sense and it was extremely hurtful to believe this way. My mistake was I went everywhere but the Word of God for the truth. In January '06 my husband and I visited CFF church in Tipp City , Ohio . Wayne and Ferne Clapp lovingly and graciously invited us to come and stay in their home. Before we headed back to West Virginia , we purchased the CFF class series. We started listening to them right away. Everyone should have them. They are healing. As I listened to the class Ministering with God's Power- that old tug in my heart came back, I wanted to be healed. By February I had finished the class and as I was walking my two dogs (this is my time with God where I talk things over with Him). I made a decision. I would no longer listen to what ANYONE says about my healing, including and especially myself. I would go to God. I would ask God to heal me. It didn't matter that I'd never heard of anyone ever getting a new eye - the circumstances would no longer have speech, I was healed. I simply decided God would heal me. I ministered to myself during that walk and thanked God for healing me. I told Him I would fight the good fight until my last breath. I would never again accept any information that came to me and implied I was wrong and God won't or can't heal me. Then, God showed me a sign. I didn't ask for it but He sent one that couldn't argue with. I knew He did it because He knew I was serious and wanted to comfort and confirm for me. My fight began in February. I went to Tipp City at the end of April and was ministered too. I hadn't seen any physical changes. But, I did not quit or give in. I kept fighting because our God cannot and does not lie. I drenched my brain in scripture. I confessed out loud "I'm healed" over and over and over again - I still do. On June the 8th '06 I woke up and there was a new eye forming in the socket. In July I saw my first flashes of light. In October the prosthetic eye could no longer fit and now I wear an eye patch. Today, on Thanksgiving, the iris is visible and the cornea is formed (we think of it as a lens- a little clear circle over the pupil). The eye is sensitive to light and is about 60 percent completed. The eye continues to grow and change. I want this testimony to first and foremost give GLORY to our GOD and to thank my Lord Jesus Christ who paid for this healing and who is the very reason I fight for this, they deserve for me to be healed. I would also like this testimony to reach out to those of you who so deeply desire deliverance, God will heal you. He has healed you through Christ's stripes. Because of Christ's payment- you are owed this healing...GO GET IT!!! I am here for you who need to talk, those who need help and earnestly desire help. I understand the agony and grief you have lived with or are now living. I was at this years planning meeting so someone in your area will have my phone number. You can call me after 7:00 EST- or email my husband with the caption 'GOD GETS THE GLORY' or else it might get deleted. I am keeping a journal which I will make available after the glorious day when this eye patch is forever removed. God bless you- God will, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS!!!!Linda Morrison, Barboursville , West Virginia ************* Many people are missing out on the blessings God has for them because they are held back by the past. Sangat, John, Wayne and many others from other ministries around the country are teaching and blessing believers like we should have been blessed way back years ago. That's my story & I'm sticking to it. This is only one testimony, there are many more. The next one is from a believer in Denver who had written a note to Sangat after he left. I wanted to let you know about one woman who came to you for healing when you where here in Denver. She had gall bladder cancer. The doctors told her it was in the fourth stage and there was nothing they could do for her. All of us in our fellowship noted the color came back into her face after you ministered to her and she looked much better. Last week she saw the doctors who ran more tests on her. They could not find any trace of cancer in her. Completely healed in the Name of Jesus Christ! Praise God. God Bless You Dan

Mr. Hammeroni, I can only attest for Sangat & Cff. You could ask John Shroyer anything, Wayne & Sangat and they would never shun you or make you feel bad about any questions you have. So if that was your question the answere is yes, been there done that.............Sorry I missed the point..........

Thank you, I agree with you and am sorry I misread your post, everyone else seemed in attack mode which happens frequently here. If I posted any "name calling", that too was my defense kicking in. However; I also see inuendos without the name calling that results in the same thing such in Belle's post. "Well you don't see to be one". I take that as a slap so I responded. It seems as if most, not all here are living so far in the past, how can they ever see past this junk and move on. In response to Bramble's post: See it in your own post Belle, so I am ignorant & heartless and no one else here ever name calls anyone.

Sloopy, I can read your posts & know much about you.

You are planting seeds, seeds produce fruit.............you reap what you sow. Did I not read this in the Word? Vengence is setting things right. You waiting to be a greasespot by midnight, I was not refering to that.

Have any of you read the story of Linda, who had to have a glass eye put in at around two years old because she had a bad infection and went blind. She finally met a minister who did not tell her he had never heard of anyone being healed in the Bible of a glass eye being replaced by a new eye. That minister built her up, prayed and now 7 months later the glass eye isout and the new eye has grown underneath it. IT WAS NOT INSTANTANEOUS BUT IT'S THERE. She finally got fed up and wanted her sight back. That minister was Rev. John Shroyer. She's blessed and willing to talk to anyone who would like to learn from her experience. So some of you are really missing out on some great things happening. But guess you'll have to find out yourself. I have her last letter of thanks, encouragement to those that are suffering and she is ready to minister. That's how it works, one ministers, one receives & helps others believe and beat the adversary at his own game. Well Belle I guess you will never know..

***** I agree with you but they are out there and there are loving people in the Body of Christ**** I believe our children have learned great lessons from the mistakes of others & will have the compassion to move ahead with the Word under their own ministries of reconciliation. I am sure there are move leaders who have left TWI, that can really be teaching about God and the good news of the Power of God rather than wasting time in their precious lives that were bought with a price. I think we all know enough Word to move ahead from all the past crap.

Is that your father?

"I John 3, thanks for the wonderful example of a CFF defender that you are. It really helps to see what kind of people are involved with CFF." Yes it does and if you reread my posts I support several ministries & individuals who I believe God has worked in my heart to support. I defend anyone, not a ministry that is doing the Word and producing fruit. The titles mean nothing to me. There are great believers in every ministry. If you look for and focus on all the negatives that is all you will see. I do not need a title over my name for all to see in order to walk with and function within the Body of Christ. Many, many of the the great believers I have met, happen to fellowship with CFF. God has worked within me to function with them also. So please share where you function within the Body of Christ and how is it blessing your life, I would really like to know. This seems like a ministry to me and they have legalistic laws, do not join this group or support that group, it's going to ruin your life because...............sure sounds legalistic & cultish. May not have started out that way but it seems to be turning out that way with endless debates. So isn't it great that we can support who we wish and share what we wish without having to agree with each other. Such freedom in Christ. Exie, I am sure your continued firey darts bless the Wierwille children and grandchildren, why don't you give it a rest! You are so full of bitterness, anger and hatred it's not healthy for you. It's very

Mstar1 I will pray for your deliverance from all your bitterness, mistrust & anger. 1. As for CFF, you will never know, you don't affiliate yourself with them. Sad very sad you are missing out on some wonderful healings and blessings, but it's your choice! 2. You have nothing against the hearts of the individuals blah,blah,blah, so why are you being so critical? You obviously have alot against these wonderful individuals & I would shut up if I were you. God will not tolorate your attacks on them. Vengence is mine saith the Lord................. GREAT FRUIT? How can you comment, when you know nothing. 3. "What have they actually done to improve anybodies lot, other than give a few a place to hang out and spend their time and money...... have they made a dent in world hunger that I havent heard about? ended homelessness? brought world peace? Built schools? Adopted orphans? Shoveled snow for old ladies? Anything at all? What have they actually done that qualifies as great?" You really sound like you don't know very much of the Word at all? So tell us what you have done to end world hunger, the orphans etc.? I would really like to know. As a matter of fact we are also very much involved with the "poor" in India and they are getting delivered, healed and turning onto the Word at a very rapid rate. But then you wouldn't know about that because you are not involved? Oh well, again your loss. Sad 4. "Ive been around long enough to know that Way and Way offshoots have never and will never do diddly squat, other than to promote themselves and stroke their contributors with a pat on the head, to get them to do their sales for them.." Wow it must be a great feeling to know that the spirit of God in you has given you this revelation and responsibility to spread the news, thanks, I never would have known it. It's the legalistic God Polilce at work in you again. You've been around so long, sounds like it's time for retirement, you're getting bitter. AMEN brother Please spare us the ugly bitterness.

Y "You comment that wierwille might have made a mistake......but then, discount the point that cff leaders are teaching it." Everything that Dr. Wierwille taught is NOT a mistake. You all learned alot of the Word there. Some things are taught. Yes I support CFF, they have never intimidated me, coerced me nor have they ever made me feel as if I am in any kind of legalism, quite the opposite is true. For those that feel the heebie jeebies at their website, you read my scripture, perhaps you should go and get ministered to. Many are and many are being healed. You will never hear the great testimonies that are happening at this website. I am sure one day PL will be able to share her deliverance with you and we will all be blessed. It will come from GOD not a denomination, but perhaps thru a loving believer(s).

Let's stop making Dr. Wierwille the center of attention here. It is not Dr. Wierwille's "law of believing", it is God's law. I mentioned that Dr. Wierwille made mistakes like anyone else, I did not say everything he said or taught was a mistake. So what are you guys teaching in the Word lately. How many signs, wonders & miracles are you seeing in your lives. This is nothing more than another cult religion. It's time to let it go. There are many people who believed for God to open a door for them and then PFAL came along. May not be perfect but it worked then & works now. So go pick every word apart, then we can start on you and your words to see if you make a mistake. It's the great fruit in these ministries & the hearts of the people that count. God is prospering them spiritually because they are faithful, trustworthy & truthful on the Word. You want to monitor every word? Good Lord who made you guys judge & jury. Time to give it up and try doing something positive & loving for a change. I normally try to stay out of the garbage debates because that's what they are. This will go no where & Pink Lady has gone thru enough spiritually, I am sure God can continue to counsel her & guide her without all the negatives here. Do you guys ever, ever say anything nice about anyone? You debate and never solve anything. Keep life simple......not religiously, legalistic. You do the very thing you accuse people of, only it's called spiritual adultry, cut people down in the name of saving someone. God bless you Peter Wade & what a thrill it was to have you come out to CFF a few years ago. We send you and your lovely wife our love. Your website and teaching are a blessing to all who partake. Ya know what, it works for me, it has always worked for me and it brings fruit into my life so I shall not involve myself in this debate. Pick it a part and miss the blessings.

(Phil. 1:27 Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel. Hope this helps. So what if CFF "quotes" the law of believing. So what if they quote Dr. Wierwille. Dr. Wierwille could not make a mistake? Give me a break, which of you is proficient enought at the Word that you don't make mistakes. Please spare this poor young woman, your legalistic attitudes. It's no offshoot or ???? Go to any church, pray to Mary? Pray to Budda, please. Yes and the law of believing is in the Word. Without believing it's impossible to please God, he that cometh to God must believe that he is and that he is a REWARDER of thost that diligently seek him. Even Dr. Wierwille taught the Word, he never claimed to know it all. that is written in the University of Life "Thessalonians". So since you all have and opinion and I have an opinion, I think it's time to let Pink Lady discard the junk and make a heart decision. I happen to love CFF and the believers there. I also love other strong standing ministers on the Word. I do not think most of the complainers here are on the Word, at least in their posting, back biting & evil speaking.

Pink Lady, you could never cause division here, it was here long before you posted. As I mentioned in my PM to you, CFF wouldn't care if you went to their fellowship and went to church the rest of the week. The important thing is the Word, not VPW, not PFAL, but God's Word being reinforced in your heart and mind. I think God is big enough to handle all your problems & have you see the signs, wonders and miracles that we have been seeing at CFF & beyond. We are by no means limited to CFF & I am sure Rev. Shroyer would be the first to tell you that. There is a standard of the Word & God works in that standard, no matter who is following it and what congregation they go to. So again, you can attend church & go to a fellowship, no one from CFF is going to pressure you. We all had enough of that crap in a prior ministry. As far as my being nasty (confronting), I think the posters who posted know what I'm talking about. Unfortunately they live in the past, thinking they will control the future. And yes there is much fruit in CFF & some other great ministries that are functioning and moving ahead with God. We are all experiencing great growth in the Word and physical, mental & financial wholeness which is God's will for all of us. If anyone want to know specifics, they can attend a fellowship themselves. Each fellowship is independent of each other and works with God to meet the needs of the individuals in that area & IF someone would like to contact John or Wayne for advice in order to help they are available 24/7. So I personally resent criticisim from people who are not even a part of this particular group. I also support other ministers, a suicide support group etc. So God is certainly not limiting us to anything except the Body of Christ to heal & bless people. And yes there is still alot of bitterness, hatred and anger here with regular gs's. Not all but some that never let it go. No where in the Word does it say to focus on one miniatry to back bite, in a forum like this but to preach Jesus Christ and move ahead with the Word of God. My bible says put the past behind so you can have a future. God will bless you Pink Lady and open doors for your family and they will get healed. I prefer to spend time in the Prayer Room. and thanks Cow Girl. hugs :) C

Heebie Jeebies by going to their website? Titus 1:15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. Could you say it any plainer. You thrive on division? Need I say more. Matthew 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: Luke 11:17 But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.

Great advice Mr. Pipes. I think it's very wrong to criticize CFF and try to put them into a catagory of religious groups when they have encouraged all of us to just do the Word every day and reach out & support whomever is teaching truth. We are never badgered by them to take a class and if we want we can own it. When a class is together it's because we want one & it blesses new people. All the materials can be copied (syllabus) so for about 20.00 to copy a 400 pg. class they can attend & if any grads want to come they are welcome to any, or all of the sessions. There is no pressure, so I think a few people here are still harbouring alot of hate & bitterness that will prevent healing in their lives until they give it up. As Belle put it in her "prophecy" CFF will probably go the way of CES??? How unloving and fair. I sometimes wonder when some of these guys have even prayed for former leaders who are endeavouring to correct mistakes that were made by TWI. And yes, I do believe that PFAL was a Godly material to move the Word back in the 70's, just ask anyone who was so down & out and someone witnessed to them because they prayed to God and that class had a healing effect. So maybe it wasn't perfect, well I haven't seen anyones else here come up with something better or even try, just continue to criticize what they probably have never sat thru (meaning the classes at CFF). So this gets so tiring hearing everyone & very loving people lumped into what they would have you believe is all wrong. Is there anything right anymore according to many older gs's. It's even tiring to hear this stuff anymore & yes there are many miracles at CFF & they support many other Godly ministries & ministers. So some people here will always have a hardness of their hearts if they don't give it to God. Sorry I know some will not agree with me & that's ok but I try not to get involved with this backbiting any more, it's bs but sometimes they go way overboard. One posts then the next and they are all the authorities on every off shoot ministry. What have they done to move the Word. I would like to hear some of them share what Godly fellowships they are enjoying, just once. :)

Actually I have had several encounters and I find the best answer "I have joined a new group, it's the Body of Christ and Christ is the Head and now I can operate the ministry of reconciliation with all 9 working in me all the time". I like that.............simple as God would have it. :D