QuietThinker

Oh no, I did that Sudo...

And none of my programs could detach them. I've no doubt it was me :-)

~QT

I can't remember how to spell his last name. If anybody still has our graduating corps list (polar bear? Keynote? Cacoon chuckers?) it was be on there. But I it's Jan Henriksen.

I told you, Ex10, that I would update you as I have information, and I will. I've contact the Norwegian authorities, and while much information prior to 1990 is held on microfiche and in paper form, they have been very kind and will be sending a snail-mail packet to me.

When that arrives, I'll scan and copy what they send. As you know, my concern was not having enough information upon which to proceed and didn't want to waste time, but, your information was particularly helpful. Jan Henriksen is the name on record, and whether or not twi was referenced in particular, I have no information at present.

The only information I will receive is that which is considered public record. My Norwegian is not as strong as my Danish, but, a qualified translator will look over everything before I post it, just to be sure it's accurate.

Until then,

~QT

I once was made and example during a foundational class because my socks didn't match my pants. (I didn't know any better) To this day I'm still concerned with matching my socks to my pants.

This entire thread made me think of a "memo" that was circulated through our limb just about 10 years ago. Since I was the one who typed it up for the LC, I checked through my Oooooooold data diskettes to see if I still had it somewhere, and I do. I am adding the pertinent text here:

"God Bless you abundantly!

In order to make our household functions a blessing to all, we want to share these guidelines for appropriate dress at ministry events. Please contact your fellowship coordinator if you have any questions or needs.

Yours in Christ,

(LC Name)

Limb Functions - Best Dress

Men: Dark suit, blue or black. Holy Spirit Pin on right lapel. Dark or red tie, muted patterns. Dark shoes, to match suit.

Ladies: Dress or suit. Two piece sets are less formal.

Branch Functions

Men: Light suits, jacket and slacks, and tie. Dark shoes.

Ladies: Dresses or skirts and tops. Arms should not be bare.

Casually nice: No jeans, no ripped clothing, no shorts, no tennis shoes. Pressed jeans and all clothing given attention to wear and stains.

Household fellowship: No blue jeans, no sneakers or tennis shoes, no t-shirts with slogans.

__________________

Now, according to my own final naming system, this was just an initial rough draft. I recall the final was circulated and I think I didn't bother saving it.

Interestingly enough, two weeks after this was floated through the limb, a branch function was held in the H*mb**ck's home. The BC and his entire family showed up in matching track suits and brand new trainers. The rest of us were demurely attired in clothing suitable as described above.

I asked the BC's wife about it afterwards. She said, "Well, these are appropriate, and they a brand new."

"True," I replied. "They are new. And they're still track suits. I think the rest of us would have loved to be here on a lovely summer day in similar attire."

*sigh*

We were M&A'd a few weeks later. It was the best six months of my life in twi, and coincidentally, the best six months of our marriage. Things went south again after we were "welcomed back to the household".

((((to all))) who were ever made to feel little, or small, or socially inept.

~QT

Hope you've been in the birthday Mooood,

Wishing you all the best, my friend.

~QT

Hmmmmm....I am unable to detach them as yet.

Anyone else?

~QT

I was searching for something completely unrelated (albumin allergies, actually) and came across this article from The Psychiatric Times, March 2007 edition....

Hmmm...does this mean all we really need is a good whack in the head?

Yours frowningly-on-brain-damage, and applaudingly-on-those-who've-quit,

~QT

Birthday greetings up northwards, PB...

Yours with cakeishly,

~QT

For a general test, mine was generally accurate:

Wild Cat

Escape Artist

Back to Basics

Home Soul

In that order.

Yours testingly,

~QT

I love the lamb in a Gyros sandwich.

Flat bread, some kinda white sauce, onions, and lamb.

Never have tried it any other way.

So where does one get a leg of lamb??

I've not seen it in the grocery stores up here.

Do you have to go to a specialty meat shop?

We have a couple of those here in town.

Is this something they would have "in stock"?

David,

My parents order 4 lambs every year from a local, organic farm. They're slaughtered, packaged and delivered to them, then they send care parcels to us kids. Maybe you can find a local supplier? I'm very much a lamb-snob and most of what is sold as lamb and ordered through stores is really mutton.

Now, that said...these recipes are really lovely, I think. I'll just slip in two more, which are favorites of my kids, and the only way I can get my son to eat anything resembling meat...

Shepherd's Pie

And the second, Lamb Puffs, is my own recipe, so I'll just tell you how I do it, but, be flexible with it, because it's not a hard and fast mix.

Lamb Puffs

lamb, either ground or minced, about a pound.

1 medium carrot

2 shallots

3 cloves garlic (more if you love it)

1 T minced chives, fresh

1 T minced rosemary, fresh

2 tsp. Worcesteshire

6 oz. mushrooms (I prefer dangakes) processed fine/

stock (I make my own lamb stock, but chicken will do, or even veggie)

butter

puff pastry

demi-glace sauce.

In a little butter, or butter and olive oil mixed, sautee shallots and garlic until sauce and fragrance is released. If your lamb is already cooked, add it now and heat through. If your lamb is raw, add it and brown. Process the carrot very fine, and add. add a little stock to moisten the mixture, then add the mushrooms. Cook over medium heat until the mixture has body and tends to lump up onto a spoon. Add the herbs, stir well, remove from heat.

Now, I make my own puff pastry, but, I have used those pastry shells that you can buy frozen in the store and they're just fine. So, make your puff pastry cups and bake in a 425 degree oven until risen and golden. Leave them slightly underdone...maybe 5 minutes before you'd normally take them out.

Fill them with lamb mixture until they are heaped nicely, then put a little pastry cap on the top. Pop them in the oven for 6-7 minutes until the pastry is just how you like it.

Top with a demi-glace sauce, drizzling it over the puff, don't make it swim.

I serve these with a green salad, sauteed spinach and spaghetti squash.

Yours Baaa-ingly,

~QT

Ya know, I shoulda known that! Hey ...maybe I'll start doing the same thing...umm, lets see? Undies or bra's -- wonder which one I would get in the least amount of trouble for....

That'd depend on the relative value of the item being pinched...of course, all the best in lingerie never hits the wash proper. ;)

My laundry is now all finished, and so is the problem that was bugging me.

I designate this a celebratory weekend!

Yours empty-basketedly,

~QT

*UPDATE - and then bed*

3 barbie shoes, 1 pink, 1 purple, 1 go-go boot.

3.73 in change

2 littlest pet shop pets

2 mangled plastic soldiers

my ring

a shoelace bit

7 bristle blocks

Can you tell I just toss the clothes in all at once?

Oh, P.S.

Duct - You're HIRED, man!

SV - it's always an adventure :)

MB - Your post indicates you do laundry. No wonder your lovely wife keeps you around ;). If that were my situation, I'd keep you too! hehe....and, all my socks always sort out in the end. Never lost a sock to the sock-monster...but there's still another load to go.

Yours foldingly,

QT

Ok...so...

I have this really hard, stressful, ugly situation surrounding me at the moment. It's been on my mind. The laundry has not. As a direct result of this, I've been doing marathon laundry all day. The first conclusion I've reached is that we simply have too many clothes for three people, two of whom are kids. My second conclusion is that weird stuff just gets into my machine...and, yes, I'm not a super-laundry sorter.

Today, thus far, and I still have 4 more loads to do, I have found the following:

• 2 plastic zebras
  
• 1 plastic wolf
  
• 3 rubber snakes
  
• 12 dollars in change
  
• 3 pounds 35 pence, British coins
  
• 1 spoon, plastic, for a baby doll
  
• 1 spoon, stainless steel, for a real person
  
• 2 chapsticks
  
• 1 headless G.I. Joe (the small kind)
  
• 3 identical yoda action figures
  

and...

• My own plastic, credit card sized birth certificate.
  

It's just me, isn't it. Yep, I knew it was.

Yours All-Tempercheeringly,

~QT

Hello out there in the doctrinal spaces...

I tend to stay out of here, but I read something on another thread that reminded me of a question I've wanted to ask, and have forgotten until now.

Over on the CES and Momentus thread, Undone as part of his post referred to a recent experience like this:

"In both Discovery and Breakthrough there were people from all walks of life and all levels of faith"

The bold and italics are mine. What does that mean, "all levels of faith?" and does it apply across the spectrum of many faiths, or does it mean to include those new to one particular faith all the way through those whom have been around a long, long time?

Does it mean people that believe a little, and others that believe a lot?

I've worded this really poorly. My apologies. But, I really am curious, and have not found (not meaning it hasn't been written) answers that have helped me understand.

Thanks in advance,

~QT

Hello, Another Spot!

I have read your post, and while I have no practical answers, I am sure of one thing...you are welcome here at the cafe. So many people come and there's always room for another. And, I think I can say without hesitation that those here that do pray will be happy to add you to their list. There is even a prayer forum where you can ask specifically if you have concerns, too.

You're in a difficult and troubling time. But, come in and sit down...the coffee's delightful (if a little strong). Take the time to get to know us better!

Yours welcomingly,

~QT

< wide-eyed-innocent-stare > < sarcasm >

But..but..but...

Mr.Ham...it was true! I mean, you certainly couldn't go beyond what you were taught in twi...you weren't even allowed to look at other books, remember? In fact, if you did, and you proposed alternate theories, you were chastised at the very least! < /wide-eyed-innocent-stare > < /sarcasm >

Seriously, though...that phrase always struck me as being surface-true and, as Wanderer says, something that "goes flat" upon closer scrutiny.

It is, however, one of the phrases that sticks in my mind and every time I hear it in another context, I wince.

~QT

HP techs are very polite, but hard to understand, and for sure visa versa. The credit card thing is only if I don't restore to factory settings. I wanted around this loophole because it takes so long to get the PC the way ya like it. So I'll restore, get the drive, and install. I bought it at Sams Club in a bundle deal. Can't build one as cheep. Also I bought an extended warranty from Sams for 3 years, which will allow my kids to have it under warranty. I trade up every 3 years, and give one to my kids.

So I have 2 years left on this PC, and maybe by then they'll have all the bugs worked out of Vista.

Thanks all for you help and support,

God Bless,

CWF

*hugs* CWF...really hope that goes well!

~QT

Very cool, ILBpipes!

I hope you get that needed publicity boost!

~QT

I apologise, Lori, for my part.

QT

It's been a long time. I was in in 1979 and out, by '83. There were no serious incidents, yet my time there occasionally pops up...little beliefs linger. I think the real problem with me is that there were a lot of half truths. Things that they taught that work, followed by a whopper that was outrageously pure BS. That shouldn't outweigh the truth, but it warps it in some strange way. Sorry, I'm never "Blessed", but I'm often thankful of the hand of God in my life. I don't think I get revelation, however I see divine inspiration often in my life. It's not a simply terminology thing...what happens to me seems almost natural, not forced as in the TWI days, yet there is a nagging doubt. "Did I abandon God and his household?" The fruit in my life would indicate otherwise, yet the doubt remains.

These days I'm accepting of almost anyone, and many are lost. I do my best to connect with the confounded and place them on a suitable path, one that seems to point to their indended destination. Kind of a very gentle undersheparding...without the pretense, without the greencard, no judgement. There are times when I don't even understand my oun path, yet I trudge on, over the next hill, grateful for the next sunrise.

Wanderer,

I find myself doubting many things, and even the comfort of lab-work doesn't always reassure me in the way it sometimes has in the past. You recognize "the fruit" in your life and still you question. It seems to me that it takes time to root out certain patterns of thought, even when you see contradictory evidence in your life, and it's not easy.

What_the_hey makes some interesting points in terms of the free and flexible nature of thought and accountability, and has a questioning mind. All I can say is that at least when you're questioning you're thinking, and thinking implies engagement.

Although we come at this question from different perspectives, I can agree that there are yet more hills to climb, and the sunrises that come with the hope of better understanding are worth the walk.

Cheers,

QT

(and sorry for getting into the derail of your very fine thread)

*editing for slip-shod typing

LOL, BOW...

Maryland...*snirk*

~QT

OK...so...

Rene DesCartes walks into a restaurant.

He orders a lovely large dinner, and enjoys it immensely.

After he finishes, the waiter asked him, "Would you care for dessert, sir?"

Decartes replied, "I think not."

And *poof* he disappeared!

Teehee,

~QT

That all depends on who you are addressing and exactly what one considers the truth to be. (snip for saving of space)

Today we have to kid ourselves into thinking we are free. Like the philosopher who said, "I think, therefore I am" we put a hedonistic twist on that - "I think I am free, therefore I should be free." I believe we have a measure of freedom. Every act of men has a measure of freedom injected. We're not biologically controlled - affected yes. There is an ebb and flow in our physical life, but we are not animals controlled by predetermined cycles. We can change anything with a little injection of freedom. You're not free, you just think you are, and there is no capacity for love or trust without freedom. But this generation doesn't know the difference - between loving to be loved, and loving.

Even love has become nothing more but an ambiguous word in my generation. Well, if you had an ambiguous word - you are going to go, if there are options, you're going to go with that which is the "party line." The context forces you to choose the latter. If you are already sealed on your opinion and your point of view, then you're certainly not one who is going to be prone to 'stick your neck out'. The early ones though, they were just seeking the truth.

Hey Tater (What_the_hey -- Sorry, I tend to think of you as Darth Tater, and wouldn't want to confuse anyone),

I read all of your post with great interest...and I think it is a return back to the original thrust of the thread? As long as you understand that I'm not speaking philosophically...but rather of events that happened to people, some of a criminal nature.

And, it was rene des cartes who is credited with "I think, therefore I am." Which reminds me of a really bad philosophy joke, which I will go post on the appropriate thread.

Thanks for your posting, Tater (What_the_hey)

~QT

*edited for appropriate name usage

Mr. WeirWolf,

I am not sure, but you may be in need of medication, such a harsh response! And so mean, I don’t know what to say? It seems like something that happened over 20 years ago (or may not have happened, depending on future proof of course), has attracted such immediate and emotional attention!

Now if I have to supply the burden of proof to console you and possibly others, when there are so many former twi people out there, it might give you the impression of me having to play the role of “professor”! And I really don’t want you to be subjected to such a demeaning position.

So, I will give you another “hint” to help you solve the mystery of “Murder in Norway”. Think of it as an Agetha Christie novel!

The murderer’s initials were CMH and he was often at HQ.

Well, aside from your descent into condescension and patronization, you have resorted to personal name calling and practicing medicine without a license.

As many a host can affirm, you can try to host a party to which no one will come.

Evade, deride, obfuscate and stab as it pleases you, Bumpy. That does not however mask the truth which is merely this...you've made an accusation and offered no proof. You've avoided answering questions and opted for attacking the person.

Ah, well...as the old saying goes...some people just open their mouths and remove all doubt.

~QT

(((Hope)))

I can add nothing to what you've so beautifully written.

~QT

But back to the subject...Because you’re such a smart guy, why don’t you challenge yourself and do some research on what I said happened. I am sure with all your credibility at gs, that if you find what I’m saying to be true, others will not “doubt”. After all, you have your correspondence friends already in Scandinavia, n’est ce pas?

Impress me, I will look forward to seeing another brilliant, analytical posting. Bump

I'm a woman, Bumpy, not that it makes any difference as to my intelligence. And it's not my job to do your research for you. You began the subject. You made the statement. It is, therefore, incumbent upon you to provide the evidence. However, it may interest you to know that two journalists working for Aftenposten have no idea of these events and can find nothing upon cursory examination.

That's not to say there isn't evidence. Just that these particular Norwegian journalists haven't come across any.

And, while your opinions are yours and you're free to express them in any manner, I would suggest to you that your condescension has nothing to do with Christ and what you state as fact isn't. It's just your opinion. Others may differ, in fact they often do.

...and, again, I'll suggest to you that I'm Mistress of My Own Time. I'll spend it as I see fit...as I'm sure you do as well.

Regards,

QT

*edited for spelling

ok...no one said it so, I will...

Happy Birthday, Lindy...hope it was a Hoppy one!

~QT