pinklady

White Dove, this is pinklady. YOu are right that one can not hold someone accountable for someone else's actions, however, When that someone. i.e. Geer has Knowlege of one of his liscensee's abusing women and children, then I believe that person has a moral and spiritual obligation to reprove and dissassociate himself

Geer did get involved in my situation, via letters and he choose to allow and condone that behavior. HE may not say these things in his classes, however it is how you live your life and how much you love people. He just does not have the love and in God's book that is the most important thing.

J. C. says If you have a problem with a brother to go to him with 2 witnesses and if he won't hear you go to to church. I followed the correct steps. That is why I am telling my story.

My freind gave you some very good advice, people are just trying to warn you out of brotherly concern, but as I have found out by my kids, if someone is asleep he won't hear you.

You have to find out for yourself, One day you will hit the same wall we all did by following and trusting in men.

I have no no bad feelings for you. I will pray for you. It really does not matter who believes my story , the warning is there for those who have ears to hear, God bless! Have a great day!!!

Mr. WhiteDove,

This is Tina, the friend of Pinklady's. I checked myself on the misreading of your postings. So I read more postings.

I agree, you don't know Pinklady's situation first hand, but I do.

Your right there are two sides to every story but I did not mention her story to you.??!

People post their feelings here, correct me if I am wrong but I believe that this site is specifically for those who have been spiritually abused by The Way and G-rite splinters. Splinters hurt (ouch), sorry, in a funny mood :-)

It seems by what you have said to me that you have some unresolved issues about people placing blame. I am sorry for your encounter with this spirit that has hurt you in the past.!!!

I saw brotherly love as a warning for your well being and you turned it into a debate.

I understand and respect your concern about people accusing leaders or any others of wrong doings without proof, people can be hurt by what others say I have been there!! If you would like to talk I will be understanding.

Bottom line, I have loyalty to Jesus Christ because he died for me, that is proof.

Peace & Love,

Tina

I am a friend of pinklady and I have been reading this and I have never been in the twi.

From my perspective, it seems as though the followers of these groups are not barring one anothers burdens. Isn't that the heart of love and why we are learning God's word? Or is it that we are "learning" so that we can make it to Heaven?

I know I want to go somewhere that my feelings matter. I wanna go where I am loved.

To the ex-way people, I feel your pain, I am a part of a family that only think about themselves, I remember one time I was hurt beyond betrayal by my husband with my little sister and my dad said "he can still come over to play cards he didn't do anything to me".

I see you people pouring out your hearts and the response I see from Dove and Johniam is cold and unfeeling. I don't know them but this is what I am reading. I wish them well and no disrespect.

I know one thing if I want to be loved on I would want to be in a room with you ex-ways.!

peace & love to everyone, I feel close to you guys, thanks for your time.

Tina

What about Geer's Walking in God's power class and his suposside advanced class coming ? Apparently you have to have a stamped page 3 times in order to be eligiable to take the advanced class!!

Like my 19 yr old son said, It excludes a majority of people from hearing the word, He also told his father, who just left because of Geer that he does not feel he needs a class to teach him the word. He said He goes to a youth fellowhip on campus and he has God's word in his heart!!!!

Whitedove, How about evil associations corrupt good moral? The Apostle Paul surely would not condone any corruption from those he was associated with or any that lacked intregrity!!!! Geer Has knowlege of many things that are contrary to God's word and he does not care. It is his responsbility, he is responsible for his actions or lack of proper ones. I have letters from him and from him to others where he has told believers never to contact him again, all because they wrote him about one of his liscensees, PP!! All he cares about is the money!

johiam's statement, PL's story sounds combustible, I don;t speak for those people, they don't speak for me, What I have observed with people in the Geer groups is they seem to loose a sensitivity or caring for others. As long as they are not the one being attacked they sort of have a blind eye for other believers.

Well, what difference does it make, Its not me. I watched people turn a blind eye to kids marking and avoiding their own mother, they went along and condoned it!! What's up with that?

It is more of a click, a private group of people, who are afraid of life without being in a group with a class and a leader, who pretty much decides what is best for their life.

When the love of God is alive in a fellowship you don't hear any stories or accusations against leaders, read 1 thessalonians about Paul and how he treated believers, they knew him because he made himself available to them, No one could charge him with anything!!!! Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

What kind of a pastor or a man would condone children not contacting their parents who raised them in the word? I'll tell you who did that, PP and Chris G!! I wrote Geer about the abuse and he turned his head. He did not want to lose that franchise or his 15%. My kids are just more abs in his pocket!! Why didn't he do everything he could to reconcile our family? He just does not care and what you look at is what you become, I don't even know my husband anymore. His heart is corrupted from the idolotry of following men! PL

Thanks for the concern, MY kids and I are currently in christian counseling, called overcomers. The church is paying because it is quite expensive, they do have degree's. I have been in for over a year due to the excessive spiritual abuse that my husband allowed. I do not have hatred. I do still love him but I can no longer trust him and I deserve so much more, I have come to realize. I filed a injunction and I go to court soon. I am doing what I need to do to protect my kids. Thanks for the prayers!!!! Love, P.L.

JOhniam, I went to a Geer group for 12 years and I have had more than 3 correspondeces with him, so I think i can qualify as a expert on this topic. Geer does not care about people, families or who gets hurt by whom, he only cares about his bank account!! He never counsels or pastors anyone. What does he do to deserve that money? He promises the golden advanced class for 15 years dah, why are people so blind?? I can tell you from experience there is no true love of God. Some have innocent hearts but the leaders decieve the hearts of the simple, for what? To feed their own belly. That's what Gods word says.

God's word is not a business and people are to be loved not used!! I lost 2 of my kids and a husband who beat me for not submitting to Geer. Where's the love in that?

People here have true stories from the heart to tell and there is nothing negative about that. I am not the only victim of family marking and avoiding, thinking they are doing the word. The heart of the word is the family. they separate and divide them. Wake up for you sake and those you love. With respect P.L.

Thank you Lori. You do understand!!! I'll take that hug and give you one back!

I just have to blow off some steam!! Many of you already know my story and quite frankly I tired of telling it. Breifly, for those of you who don't know yet, I was in The Way 1 for 20 years and a splinter Geer group for 12. The splinter was worse, I lost 2 of my 4 kids, a husband and I got beat up by him 10 days ago because I started a investigation. He stiil want's to play follow the leader!!

I got out finally. I felt like a stepford wife, he was way corp's, sounds morbid, ha! I was not, thank God! As long as I obeyed leadership, stayed positive, never showed any emotions because that must mean I am not believing God!!

Make sure you pay God for His protection, and never miss a meeting. We were once questioned on that. Don't invite people over without leadership approval. Make sure you give them full control of your children, after all isn't it children obey leadership, not God?!!!!

The biggest most important thing is make sure you meet all of his sexual needs, the heck with your emotional ones and God forbid you should need his support and protection!! Too bad my husband married a woman who can speak her mind, they call that rebellious and witchcraft.

Too bad he married someone who is a virtous woman, who takes care of her body and looks better than she did as a teenager!! They call that egotistical. They were probally jeolous. When I think of it it was a requirement to be a good wife in this ministry. Women were treated horribly. well folks I'm not ever setteling again..... Have you ever felt that way?

Thanks everyone!! It is so nice to know that there are still loving, caring, compassionate believer's. I have been around the most cruel, judgemental. people who have no empathy. They are very much like robot's, trained only to say what their leader's say.

Have you ever watched the movie, the stepford wives? That's kinda what I felt like. As long as I was smiling, obeying leadership and meeting my husband needs, I was treated just halfway decent!!!

Thanks for your prayers!!!!!!!!! It sure is nice to know that there are still caring believers with compassion. I have been with some of the most cruel and judgemental ones.

I am so sorry to hear that. I am going through a painful divorce and he is after everything. I will pray for God to comfort and protect you and yours! Praying for that job to come speedily.

I can't really talk to my husband because he beat me up a week ago!!! I filed a injunction against him. I do see what you are saying, I will try to forgive all of them so I can have freedom in my own mind.

It was a Geerite group in Tampa Fl. run by Pat P.

Thanks for that!! I did loose myself. It was always about pleasing the ministry, my husband and giving up my dreams to stay home 25 years to raise them. They obviously don't appreciate it now. I don't regret being a stay at home mom I just realize that it is important to take care of yourself!! MY husband wanted to work the word constanly, no family time. I enjoy life and I'm a people person. we were quite opposite I suppose, I do know he was way corps, I was not. That may be why I could wake up easier?!!! I don't like religion!

I am relatively new at this, I was involved in the Way International 1 for 22 years, Then I got involved in a splinter group for 12 years, which was even worse!! I lost half of my family, including a husband. My mind is what I am trying to sift through all the crap!! For instance, I knew abs was handled wrong. Leaders got rich and believer's were made to feel guilty if they had a need.

Second, Believing was way off base! Believers were basically taught they don't need God, you have the power to control the outcome. They say if you are not positive all the time then there is something wrong with you. God gave me these emotions for a reason. I am learning to set boundaries in my life!!!

Third, The man of God issue!!! Following men was simple idolotry. It was so subtle. How could I play follow the leader for so long? Thank God I woke up. I only wish it were sooner then mabe I could have saved my family.

I would love to hear some tips from those of you with experience at this, What are some things that helped you? How do you erase the years of spiritual abuse? I am pretty low on self esteem right now.

Pete, Thanks so much for that. I was recently beaten by by husband, who folows Geer. I was telling him of everything I learned of Geer here. He left me because I started a investigation on Pat P. his liscensees. I am sure that my husband is back with Pat and in contact with Geer. I am taking on a huge battle and I was beaten up pretty bad. Please pray for me because I am going to expose these corrupt men with God's help. Got any advice???

Thanks for sharing that. Right now it looks pretty impossible now that my husband has turned on me because she was very close to him growing up, hoiwever even when he left before she did not talk to him much. I have to have hope. I always pray for that day to come. I often think of all the time we lost and things we could have done, like shopping,ect. They talked her out of a full scholarship. I pray for that miracle to happen to me as well.

Geer said he could not be responsible for the moral character of his liscensees!!! Can you imagine the Apostle Paul saying that?!!!!!

It is a long story but Pat is a liscensee of Geer. Pat tore our family to shreds and my husband allowed it because I wrote to Geer to tell him of all the abuse going on praying that he would help me, but he sided with Pat and wrote us a letter saying we, the parents were harassing our kids!!!! My husband stoped trying to reach our children and turned very mean toward me because I could not obey Geer and just Let pat control their lives. MY husband fought with me for 5 years instead he should have stood up for his wife and kids. Mabe more anger at Pat less towards me??!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for understanding.

Concerning my 11 yr old, I have sheilded him from these way corps monsters, After pat P. abused him I had to stop my husband from forcing him to go spend the night!!! I have been sheilding him from day one without my husbands help. I had to pick him up from school early, fearing my husband would try to get him. He saw the bruises and went with me to the courthouse and the woman there instruscted him on how to take pictures. He does not trust his father and you should not make thease statements without knowing all the facts. He has lived with this nightmare for 5 years, I saved 2 of my kids so please think before you say things you have not lived. If his father had sheilded me and his kids we would not be in this situation. Think about that!!!!

Please pray for me. I was beaten up by my husband today. He is 9th corps and follows Chris Geer. I wrote my story on here before as a Mothers pain. 2 of my kids were brainwashed against me in a splinter group in Tampa Fl. run by Pat P. My husband lets abuse of me and my kids happen because he blindly follows Geer who is in partnership with pat. I filed a injuntion against him today and it really hurts because I was married to him for 25 years!! Why does this have to tear up families and how can this be stopped. I am trying but I feel I am all alone except for God. I have 2 boys at home with me and we really need alot of prayers right now. thanks!

Here's a update, my husband beat me up today. He admitted he was involved with pat P. and Punched me in the face 4 times and I have bruises all over my arms. That's how much he is into Chris

Geer! Please pray for me!