WOG

What's kinda really weird..

I believe I knew God before twi.. had a "vacation" of sorts..and found him after leaving..

I don't think I got involved because I was hungry to know God.

That's interesting, Hamm. What do you think it was for you? What were you looking for?

It does make one feel rather stupid, silly, gullible, fill in the blank, to have been taken in yet again by a peer just as we were in The Way.

Imagine, I hear you. I attended an exway group and they did all the same things. I thought those things were unnecessary and strange in order to have a relationship with the Lord but participated anyway because why not? Thought I need a group to be a part of (was still thinking way-like).

Sound familiar? Said they were different but weren't.

Only thing different about them was they did these silly things searching for the anointing and to make themselves feel spiritual and to, in my opinion, disarm people.

It's funny because I was thinking about this morning how my thinking digressed from "We (the leader of the group and I) have the same training, I'm not looking for a spiritual leader and if I were I'd have no desire for an ex way one" to "I now consider you my whatever because I need to get in a submitted relationship to be in alignment with God." succumbed to subtle innuendoes and prodding to get there.

They were listening when I told them how devilish it was to sit around and talk about and analyze people coming to your fellowship (common corps practice in the ministry). Since they said nothing but nodded their heads I assumed they agreed and were in recovery along side with me.

Not. It just kept them from ever asking me to participate (because they knew I wouldn't) in their little secret "after meetings at Golden Corral." This practice was in place even to the extent that they would discuss people who came that morning and name devils they thought they spotted in them. How sick.

Thankfully, three of the exwayindividuals who participated in those meetings left the group about the same time several others did and told what they did there. Shame on you! what a group of exway hypocrites!

These are the same people who used to do meeings with JAL and had over a hundred exway coming at one time. There were about 50 coming when I first started and they dwindled down to maybe 20 including children then less and finally closed shop. What a disgrace. To this day these people call themselves pastors. How sad. to my knowledge a very small handful of people even keep in touch with them anymore. Wonder why?

Thanks for bringing this up. It feels good getting it off my chest after all these years. My intention is not to grill anyone just to put it out there so people will know some exway have jumped on that bandwagon that imagine spoke about. They may jump around, lift holy hands, hoot ‘n holler, but in practice they're just the same as they ever were.

You know you're out of a cult when you FINALLY, FINALLY, FINALLY

figure out you don't need a HUMAN SPIRITUAL LEADER

other than the Lord Jesus Christ!!!!!

GET OUT !!!!!!!

i always knew she was the wog of our day and time

I take exception to that!!!!! :P

To answer your question, I think the CES ldrs did find a new cheese source and moved there very quickly after leaving, being fired from twi.

It worked for them for a while, but after enough folks find out about what's been going on behind the scenes, the ldrs may have to begin searching again for another new cheese source--MG probably already is...

"Woe to the man so posessed that he thinks he posesses God!" Martin Buber (from Buber's Challenge to Christian Theology)

I think, instead, the instruction is to SERVE them.

As I've said before, we who choose to follow the Bible need to look at the fruit that is on the tree (not what is coming next season, what is here today) to see if any of these brothers/sisters in Christ meet the qualities GOD tells us that His leaders must meet.....I and II Timothy is clear. When I see repentance and humility in one/any of these folks...when I see any of them living up to the standards of I and II Timothy, I will then consider thinking about being wiling to consider thinking about whether or not I might want to support their teaching

ODDLY ENOUGH, THESE WERE THE SAME WORDS THAT WERE USED ON US TO COACH US TO GO TO AN OFFSHOOT HERE IN INDY THAT USED TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH JL AND LATER CES MEMBERS.

RESULT? COUPLE RUNNING IT HAD A COUNSEL TOO EVERY SUNDAY AFTER CHURCH SERVICE. ONLY THEY WENT TO A RESTAURANT AND SAT AROUND AND TALKED ABOUT THE PEOPLE COMING TO THEIR CHURCH, MOSTLY EX-WAY. OUTSIDE OF THE AFTER CHURCH COUNSEL MEETING, THE WIFE WOULD TALK ABOUT SUSIE TO JEANING AND JEANIE TO BILLY AND BILLY TO DEANNA AND DEANNA (FICTICIOUS NAMES)TO SUSIE AND THE HUSBAND WOULD CONSTANTLY TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WHEN HE GOT TOGETHER TO HAVE COFFEE WITH "FRIENDS."

IRONICALLY, THEY ALWAYS TALKED ABOUT BEING YOUR FRIEND.

AFTER READING ALL OF THESE THREADS, THE FRUIT SMELLS VERY SIMILAR TO THE CES BOD.

Yes, I dooooooooo know what it's like to start over in my 50s/60s.

Wouldn't you imagine that a lot of us here KNOWS what it feels like after our twi involvement?

Probably more here in that boat than we realize.

Tanzia, thanks for sharing your story here and adding light on the subject.

Hind sight is 20/20, but I do think, as a rule of thumb, that it's better to say "I failed" than to give God credit for our failures (through pp or prophecy or the like).

leadership = washing of feet

You've definitely got the formula down, Brokenone.