Bumpy

God Bless from Johannesburg, crime capitol of the world!

Bumpy is not going to relate to all of you on this thread or any other, but every adventure finds new adventures. This time someone from Sweden who knows so many people from my past in Stockholm. He said to me, "you can only look for your golf ball for so much time". I cannot type on a Swedish keyboard, itäs too frustrating!

Free advice...take an adventure tour, get away from all of this communication, meet new people. Every new person you meet in life is a MIRACLE!

South Africa is so Beautiful with all the animals and contrasts of Africa. There IS a life OUTSIDE of your past, but you must breakout of this constant over analysis of what happened during your time in twi and ces.

Tomorrow is an overnight train to Cape Town. Lions and tigers and Bears...oh my!

Senegal is so far away!

My daughter moved to Chicago in June of 2006 and is currently living in what they term "the girls house". When she first began going to fellowships I wasn't concerned. I was raised a Baptist and I thought hey, they are studying the bible, what can be wrong with that. Lately, she and I have been having conversations that completely worry me. Apparently, this group of children (ages 17 to 24) have been getting materials from the Belizian BRC to avoid copyright infringement so that they can hear the teachings of the guy who started The Way International, I don't remember his name right now. Also, they are going to a youth advance in Ohio next weekend. Their "leader" has told them first that he doesn't want them to read this teaching, which by the way I have no problem with after I researched the guy, and secondly, that if they go to this advance in Ohio, he is kicking them all out of the group. Apparently the group they are going to is part of PFAL. I don't know much about that and haven't been able to find much. Anyhow, I don't know how to reach her and convince her to just come home. I am scared, and I want to help her without alientating her. What do I do? How can I help? Please anyhow who can give me some information I would be so grateful.

Dear Wendy,

The Devil's grandmother died of two ailments. One was "free" advice and the other is poor excuses. I think you will find a lot of both here at gs. It's sort of like a "Dear Abby" column. Everyone wants to be your friend until they decide they don't like you. So here's MY advice! "Trust in the Lord with all thine heart...Believe God to help you find the words you need when you spend time with your daughter, and give her the best part of your heart you can. You cannot do more than that. Things will work out, just be patient!

I think it really has to be looked at on a case by case basis.

For example:

With a 15 year old - What could be considered "consensual" for one girl could be considered "rape" for another girl, depending on the maturity level and circumstances.

I think it's impossible to make blanket decisions, but some situations are obviously rape whereas others are in a more "gray" area.

Belle, you should have been a lawyer. You could then define "consensual", "maturity" and appropriate "circumstances". As for being 14,15,or 16 she might have a problem with the truth? Maybe it's not even a "she"? Let just hope they have some fun under the blanket before they wake up!

Belle, you should have been a lawyer. You could then define "consensual", "maturity" and appropriate "circumstances". As for being 14,15,or 16 she might have a problem with the truth? Maybe it's not even a "she"? Let just hope they have some fun under the blanket before they wake up!

I forgot, the legal defense could be...that "gray area"!

Bumpy just wants to say bye bye to all the "nice" people I have met on the gs site. I have a 3am taxi pickup to catch my Dakar-Jo'burg flight.

Quirks...African taxis which break down on the road to the airport or in the middle of nowhere, it's happened more than once. Surprises, don't need them. Phony people, especially those using mobile phones next to me while I'm eating. Sad people with broken hearts, I feel so bad when I hear what they have had to endure. Social injustice, especially people who use $$$ to hurt those underneath them. An expensive bottle of wine that's "corked" and no way to return it. And finally, seeing the body of Christ so divided like I've seen on gs. Is there no way for us to come together except behind a modern day mask of disguise? I keep asking myself.

Oh well...that's it for now. If you're in Cape Town on the 12th of Feb drop me a line.

Bump

why do you live there bump ?

Adventure, nature everyday's different. I have birds out my door in AMAZING colors. There's always someone you can help, if you want to. There's a lot of artistic and musical talent here. One artist whose name sounds like u sin door has been touring in the usa. If you have a chance listen to some Senegalese music, it's pretty good.

Africa is like a movie that's always changing, nothing stays the same, sort of like one of those kaleidescopes you looked at as a child.

Other than the above, and the WEATHER & FOOD & cost of living!, there is not another sane reason I can think of to be here!

Maybe we can get Ted to record this for us. BTW Paw, how about interviewing Ted Ferrell for the next Radio Cafe?

Is he still married to Mary Marth Koos??

Hey Bumpy, I found some people that might be able to help you out. All you have to do is supply the volunteers (victims)

:)

How to build your very own cult

Went to that link...yikes! I used to wonder sometimes what I missed the last 25+ years in America. Even though life is more than crazy here, the US seems to be so complicated. I try to go to Maine once a year to re-connect with lobsters and enjoy what I think is a great state. But when I turn on the tv...

This cult thing with twi and ces still has me mezzzmerized!!! I had NO clue twi was alive and that "nice" little ces group of people in Christmas postcards I received in France had discovered spiders. Jeeeez, they should visit places here if they want to see spiders!!

To answer your question, I think the CES ldrs did find a new cheese source and moved there very quickly after leaving, being fired from twi.

It worked for them for a while, but after enough folks find out about what's been going on behind the scenes, the ldrs may have to begin searching again for another new cheese source--MG probably already is...

Hi there! I was thinking that the cheese book would have been useful for patients not the leaders. I think leaders somehow get to be leaders because they "smell" the cheese first...and have CULTivate their presentations skills to convince the poor meatheads to play follow the leader. As WC Fields famously said..."never give a sucker an even break".

He said that, not me...so nobody take offense ok?

OK, here's a little strory from Mpumalanga near Krueger. Your lying on your "bed" reading, you hear something hit the floor, you look down near where you were resting and it's a rat, but it's not moving? Strange (sorry), that doesn't make any sense so your next survival sense says look up...Yikes, 6 feet away on the wooden beam over your head rests a black mamba. And he doesn't look happy! What do you do...call the bless patrol?

You get used to no running water and electricity, morning flushes are nice when they happen. I have the last land line telephone in the village.

Greetings Mr. Ham from Sherwood!

I have to confess, I always wanted to be a cult "leader"! So all of you out there can maybe help me actualize my dreams? Here in Senegal would be a really good place to start. What are the requirements to assure my happiness? Plenty of black slave girls here already! By the way, did any of you twi or ces (I hesitate to lump the two together!!) heavies ever cross that book "who moved my cheese?" Should have been required reading maybe?

Mr 123, if I have your permission to add:

"and couldn't function in a real world job if their life depended on it.."

Hey, maybe Wikipedia could use some of this stuff..

:)

Senor Jamon, Can you help me with a new anachronism so I could make a posting? I just can't think of one that would rhyme to fit the girl I would like to strip in twi? Did they really have all that great sex? I would like to know more about how Craig handled it all? I mean, I met "all the family" in Alameida, northern Calif. in the '70's and at the roa. They looked like a nice couple back then. He had long curly hair and talked about college football a lot. Was his wife put off by it all? Or was it an "open relationship"? Bumpy...go to bed!

Like an Eagle. I had already had my AC status stripped from me by then. I left 2 years later. I refused to shell out the money to take that class again just to be reinstated. Now I am glad I didn't go.

I am trying to follow all of this...but how do they "strip" your AC status during this particular class? Was it live? I must be getting too old for this, but I think having your parents there must have been a bit awkward?

I agree.

In a lot of ways, I think they start out like a mom and pop business, you know the boss, you belong..

wages aren't too bad, there are some benefits, and they don't work you all the way down to the bone.

Then they retire and sell the business.

Little church in the home, or on the block, then they start to think..

"geeze, this is so cool, EVERYBODY oughta have it.."

Yeah. They HAD it, PERHAPS, when they were small.

Well, I guess if you guys are right, the show is over? Because this may be a great forum to share with wonderful people, some filled with good intentions, and we can all Yak from Senegal to California but we will never meet and enjoy the things which you share face to face! Too bad, because you guys who suffered all the pain are the experts, not me!! I just know I need to see the people I closest to me.

Bump

you have talked alot about why people are here on gs and their reasons for going on about the past

my question for you ...

why are you here on gs?

If you read some of my posts you might find some answers? I had my own little "history" with twi and ces in the mid '70's, '80's in the US and Europe. I found this site on a google search about 10 days ago. Since then, I have had some deja vu and tried to thread that with what I hear on the gs site. I hope that helps...I'm not a SPY from somewhere if that is what you might be thinking. On that you will have to take my word.

Have you ever been to Africa? I can tell you some interesting stories, but you have to be nice!

Naw, I think it's just that most of us don't like rude people, especially rude people who pass judgment on folks they don't know anything about.

If I did that Belle, I apologize! I don't know where in my posts you got that from?

At times, a newcomer comes to Greasespot Cafe and the questions are posed......"Why are you still talking about VP and twi?" Or, "All this stuff was 20 years ago and you're still in the past...why?"

Hmmmmm.........I seriously doubt that a short paragraph would sufficiently answer questions of that sort. For many of us, wayworld represented a period of time......a pivotal era dividing our youthful days from adult & cult awareness. For many, the 1970's and 80's were a time of twi immersion and now, posting here on GS reflects a microcosmic perspective........whether spiritually, mentally or metaphorically.

And, if I wrote a song, I'd entitle it...........Bye bye, Mister Twi

Like the song, Bye bye, Miss American Pie......see www.understandingamericanpie.com/......there are vast interpretations of this song's meaning. Hopefully, someone can add this link.

And, just like American Pie......where the song depicts deep reflection of a changing American culture, music greats like Buddy Holly & the Beatles & others, social unrest, assassinations, etc......so too, would "my" song reflect: 1) the long goodbye of spiritual innocence, 2) the simple hearted who love God, 3) the dark shadows of evil men, 4) shifting standards of acceptance, and 5) lots of ambiguity and misplaced allegiance.

Everyone saw a different twi........coming from different family backgrounds, different religions, different leadership, different commitments, etc. But, in general terms, the overriding desire for acceptance, friendship, devotion,......were grounded on the far shores of betrayal.

Maybe a song would answer these questions from certain posters?

:)

That's a good insight and how I feel about my few visits to the rock and the people I met. Maybe in "todays" world that sense of innocence is lost for all those who were there? Especially you and the people who spent years of dedication. But I think it happens to all generations passing bye. The best part of our future is behind us!

I've know that for years..

kinda like, something's rotten in proverbial Denmark..

Bumpy, here's your hug:

(((((( Bumpy ))))))))

My initial thought was that organizations and/or leadership really overestimate themselves, CES being a good example. Really.. I don't think they can bring new light like hasn't been known since ages past, automatically be able to heal practically anybody who crosses their path, have the Creator's inside skinny on people's lives at a whim, or in general, have a one-size-fits-all walk for the lord, that people are "nuts" not to take up the offer..

But the same thing applies to me. Most of the time, I feel like I'm lucky enough just to take care of myself, and PERHAPS a FEW people around me.

Some people hit the "big time".. but they are few and far between.

But is it possible to design a ("business") structure or system framework in which people can feel comfortable? I am not interested in ages past or great revelation or healing, just a group of people to share the Word with and put a few more verses in my head. I don't know anything about this pp thing at ces and I don't think I want to. But if certain programs were set and the atmosphere relaxed, can people not get together for prayer and share? There is such a strong basis of Biblical knowledge on this site, is it not possible to find an administrative solution to keep the 'bad guys' under control? Too bad if it can't be done, because as I said before, maybe this site is the best we're going to be able to do?

I agree with your other point, most of the time I'm happy just to keep my head on straight too, ESPECIALLY here in Africa. This place can become an Islamic asylum nightmare and anything can go wrong at anytime. In short, the Devil's territory. You cross some of these people and you can kiss your #ss bye bye.

Gut-shot Christians sure know how to fight. And then there's a screenplay from Senegal? Bring it to the Seychelles.

No matter how un-qualified I am to say this, I will anyway...WELCOME to this site! Senegal is far away from you as you know, but is supposed to be so BEAUTIFUL!! Are you living there or on vacation?? I might be in Maputo in a few weeks, for sure Durban. That's getting closer.

Screenplays are fun, reminds me of Jonathan Swift and all his laughs at the expensive of the English. Do you write?

Translation: Bumpy needs a hug.

Line forms to the rear.

Bonjour de Senegal,

Le vent est TRES fort aujourd'hui! If I am here, where are you? I need to know where to receive my hug!

I am slowly learning I think how things work, but boy can you me misunderstood here! Is that because some people just want to bash or are they resentful of what you might have to say, or how you say it? I mean, I can make a joke out of almost anything, but then who would take me seriously? You have to maybe be a sports writer to be approved? The question might be, how to connect the brother in Christ thing via this invisible media. It's a bit tricky, don't you think?

Anyway, I think of all these people who have so much Word knowledge that others could use, is this the only or last forum? It really does feel sort of Orwellian. Will the last one on-line, please turn out the lights. Too bad about all the divisions amongst people in the way and twi, and especially all the bad feelings! I enjoyed the Word I heard during those days. Too bad the house is so divided, pains me to see it. After all when we get down to it, we're just people sitting in a small space of time waiting for our expectations to be filled before it's over. Amazing how complicated it's all become.

dear bumpy,

basically, the only thing i know about CES is the exwayfers who are involved with it.... meaning john lynn and mark and karen..... a few others....

don't regret the fall of twi at all

or ces (i'm an onlooker)

i don't like offshoots.... they're too much like twi

as far as the club thing, i've often joked about this being my new cult

but i spent most of my life in a cult, been really hurt, so it is nice to commiserate here

plus now i just like the people here

i'm sorry it seems so closed, really. i don't think it is, but i've been here a long time

i've made cyber friends and i like it

i don't get out much, by choice

love,ex

It's very windy here in west Africa today. It comes from Mauritania and the Sahara. I just drove through there a few months ago. In the wind you see nothing and forget driving, your air filter can't keep up.

Anway, I don't think this place seems closed, I think poeple don't know me so they don't trust me. Plus I think some are looking over their shoulders as to who might be following them in this maze of postings. Residual fear of the past maybe.

You should get out more, it's healthy. Europe is a great place, spring time in Scandinavia or Berlin. I leave here before the rainy season begins in July/August. Too many snakes, scorpions, appear out of nowhere especially in the south near Guinea Bissau.

Glad HS enjoyed the stage! Read again the Oct. 12 posting about the do's and don'ts of the site. I will try and be more careful, even though I'm not concerned who reads these posts. The more the merrier. Certainly it never crosssed my mind that I was trying to blend everyone together!, maybe this happened before my time? I can certainly feel a lot of individual feeling and opinions out there. I think that's vital otherwise you're back in the box in another structure you don't want to be in.

As the forum is to overestimate themselves, I would conclude it has more to do with CES at the moment? Do you have the same opinion of twi? Did they not go way beyond just overestimating themselves through the rampant abuse I am hearing about? You see, even though I took 'the class' and a few others, until the last few days I had no idea what was going on or this forum existed. The posts I read about, how people's lives have been basically destroyed or at least dismembered are NOT funny stories!

That being said, can anyone go beyond Bible speak and think of ANY organization that gives you the Word as you want to hear it without "having to belong"? If you read my posts, this is the problem I have. I want to love people, but not go to meetings! Play a game of golf, help me with my understanding to grow as a human being, but no more colon cleanses!

Now, who knows how to get an Islamic microphone off the Moskie?

This is definitely going to go down easily...but VP's been dead for 20 years, already! Why are you still having this conversation??

Between 1974-1999 I sat through them all. Sometimes they were 15-hour classes in a single weekend. Three hours Friday night, nine hours Saturday, and three more Sunday morning. Then back to work or school on Monday.

And as if the class wasn't already long enough, add a long-winded coordinator to rehash what you just watched. Then there was the obligitory presentation of the gift and card to the coordinator.

Really!, during all those years you should have stuck to the leave it to beaver...I love Eddie Haskell, Beverly Hillbillies and Mr. Ed re-runs. What a waste of time! Pod casts came out too late I guess??

Christrian Family $ Sex. All the virgins were gone!

Hey Bumpy.

Welcome.

If you want more biblical discussions, go down to the Doctrinal section....................I'll be................ nice.

Hi Bliss,

The drums, Tam Tams are beating in Senegal tonight. It's GMT time in case you didn't know. Pablo the chef is busy with his latest seafood creation. We only eat fish here as it's so fresh. I will try and get to your doctrinal section. Maybe you can guide me through...if you promise to be nice!

bumpy