suz

btw Vic, 9th corpse was never MY elder corpse,

thankyouverymuch ;)-->

suz :D-->

Thanks Sudo!!

fun seeing all the pictures of the gang in action. Can't wait for Pawvio to figure how to get "the dance" on here.....

The cutest one is Paw getting "tutored". Luckly the Rascalettes were there!!

Suz :D-->

I sure miss all the old crew from Pasadena, specifically Mary Bangham, was married to Jim.

Anyone know Marys new name, where she lives or even Jims info??

Please private topic me and let me know. I will be there soon and would LOVE to find Mary.

Our kids were the cutest years ago, I want to show her the old pictures, I haven't seen or heard from her since 80!

suzie (wickler)

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or

suzie aar (now)

Napkin Lady are you HIDING your birthday DAY??

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

Well I too want to wish you the Best Birthday EVER!!!!!!!!!!!

So whoop it up and enjoy your special day.

so much to be thankful for.

suzie :D-->

I just thought I would expound on some of our bs that we allowed them to do to us.

Lets start with moving!! OMG did we have to move about 4 times each year or what??

Let me give you an idea of what it was like at IC with our little darlings around. (and for us single moms w/1,2,3 or more kids)

Box scramble, babysit someone elses kid(s) while they take their boxes over to their new room, they babysit your kid(s) while you try to get to your kids new room to find out last kids aren't out yet, go back to pack and babysit someone elses kids who's kids room IS available for them to move boxes, get knock on door and complaints YOU aren't out yet, get THEM to babysit while YOU try to go to the room your kids are sposed to be in, to find they have only moved 3 boxes and room is trashed, Truck back to your room, your kids, plus the ones you are babysitting to find that the new people are already moving in YOUR room. (sometimes leaving our kids alone to vend for themselves, on moving day, fun, funny)

Whew, so NOW you get to go to lunch, wonderful loving crowd there, really "bleeessseeedddd".

Eat and get, no time to digest, back to the pack.

Lucky YOU, your room is ready, so you can try to lug thru the halls w/kids in tow and try to get stuff in your little corner, whatever your space is, not sure cause what is your room-mate(s) going to say about who gets what bed, where, dresser, etc.. oh boy oh boy. Top bunk, the kids LOVE this, I am not to excited. Kids across the hall, close, nice. So on to your kids room hoping maybe its ready. IT IS!! and all this only has to be done in 3 more hours, unpack your boxes in your room and take empty boxes (with people in halls begging for them) to kids room to try to unload/load and truck back thru the halls w/kids in tow to unload their stuff.

It goes on and on....Sound like Fun Dot?? makes your moving day sound easy in comparison doesn't it??

Bottom line, Eventually I move into my kids room so I don't have to sleep w/5 room mates who have alarm clocks going off at all hours of the night for "bless patrol", work, whatever. Most of us single moms, kids coming in all hours of the day/night for mom, sorry you single women in the room, hope you like kids.

I sleep with the 2 yr old, bottom bunk. Oh boy oh boy.(2 yr old who still wets the bed) getting a great nights sleep.... Its kind of like having

my own room, just a little crowded. Rooms at IC for the kids were about the size of a large walk in closet, bunk bed & dresser. The End

Lets talk "bless patrol" next you guys and gals. Whole nother subject.

Did you learn ANYTHING about moving from hall to hall, room to room? (cept who snores?)

Did they (mngmt) have a camera somewhere so they could watch us like mice in a maze?? who got the last laugh?

Not me

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ok don't try to be nice Vic, but see your private topics PLEASE,

suz :D-->

I was 18 when I went on my first snipe hunt, on the beach in NC,,,,when my dear o'l dad heard about it he laughed his butt off!!

Rascal is right Shell, rules is rules.

Darn you chatladies, IF you got MIKEY red undies this year, I mean what is to follow???

Can't wait for the next one, specially if he's gonna model for us.

So now instead of "where's the beef?" were gonna say, "where's the bacon?"

even tho Paw and Tess, heartell the "bacon" showd up in full colors later that night....

Birdman was saying next year in his back yard, he has instant cabins, and even seats for the campfire area-- AND NO PURING AWAY GOOD DRINK, unless of course its pouring it DOWN a throat.

Not sure about snipe hunting in his back yard tho....

Well I am hoping my little get together next JULY is as much fun. I am taking notes.

suz :D-->

PS. also green with envy that TN isn't closer for me to attend (like Hope)

Dale,

all her info is posted in private topics.

Suz :D-->

PS I don't have any of your info, email or anything, Jewel is still waiting for you to call btw.....

so Paw goes from being Fabio to bed offers...No wonder he has a grin on his face in the picture...

you girls are gooooood.

continue with the stories .....

I am enjoying hearing it.

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Welcome home all you Roasterettes. Glad yu all had fun. We all need to laugh and enjoy good food sometime.

Hope you liked all the jokes I sent also.

The picture is fine Paw!!

Can't wait to see more!!!!

XXXOOO

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sorry Verbie, your SOL.

as it was Paw and Sudo had to go to a local

internet cafe' and with only a small amount

of time they got the picture in before it

closed down.

If y'all notice--No Herbal Mikey, where is

he anyway???? lol

This is going to be a film, a documentry

and butofcourse, will be even better than

the ROA film!!

Put in your orders now for the upcoming

video of Fun at the Park in Tennessee with

GreaseSpotCafe, ie Where's Mike

for ONLY $19.95

but Wait, you can also recieve w/every order

still shots of campside sing alongs, cooking &

eating at camp, individual shots of everyone

(except Mike of course).

Order now, time is running out. Only a chosen

few of these films will be produced.

Y'all know Supermom has a zillion kids (Rascal)

and now you can see! Littlehawk brought his boy also but he is standing w/the adults (and I see on a rock to look taller too!)

Jardinero does look lovely in front of all those guys, (good call girl). Shell leaves her kids at home and in the picture is holding a baby!!

Sudo is the skinny guy on the left holding a dog leash--but didn't bring his kids....(and has lost many # on Atkins).

Ttessa hiding in the backrow.

Woodie definately looks the part w/that TN hat on.

What fun for the gang to be gathered together. I sent jokes for Shell to read at the campfire. It will be a blast to get reports on everyone tomorrow, I also am seeing an empty chatroom! So welcome back you TN gatherer's. Let the stories roll.

(ordering information soon)

suz :D-->

You quit HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMing Paw and update us!

as I wait patiently by the chat door waiting for someone to come in,

boo hoo, I miss all my chatbuds!

xxxooo to the gang,

suz :D-->

hey Sudo a tenderizer tip for the stew.

Boil your stewmeat, onions and garlic in a can of beer and let it set for a bit.....will tenderize up that meat quick and of course the alcohol boils off, but leaves the meat tender and tasty.

Saves loads of time, wishin I was gonna be there to taste your cookin,,,,do you put novicane in any of your stew?? thinking you may have to if you add them thar peas.

Hey Sudo convince Geo to fly out there with his lovely wife butofcourse.....

tell him you want to check out his loose crown (both of them....lol)

suz :D-->

[This message was edited by suz on September 16, 2003 at 18:43.]

Yeah it was a great year. Nancy and I had a great group of folks. Plus the freedom to do things since we wern't WOW's. I was twig area coordinator so me and Nanc had our own twigs but we lived together with my two boys, which she loved and they loved her. We lived in the heart of Trenton, when Joe would come to visit he would say, "this is fun having two pretty girls here in Trenton". Lou Gigue (sp?) lived in Toms River and I got to visit him once and the three of us went to LV. A week of it. He also was not a WOW, only 3 of us intrim corps in the state that wern't WOW's. But it was a great year. We did whatever we wanted and had a blast.

Nancy was not religious our uppity, which is good cause I'm kinda down to earth. It was a great year and I feel privledged to have lived under Joe's true leadership. He knew it was a struggle for people to have to work, raise families, go to functions, be leaders (whatever that means). He was a wonderful example. I miss him so!

I still talk to Nancy. She has 2 boys of her own now. She is back in school and she is still a nurse. I was lucky to be with her too!

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I loved Paul dearly. I even wrote a poem about him. What a wonderful gentle man. I don't believe he was from CA, think twi sent him there. I will pray for him Dot, it breaks my heart to think of him as homeless.

Can't imagine telling stories from that year (75-76) w/out puking. Wayne was an actual mental case, craiggers imitator wannabe, run a wow program and treat folks like crap, expect everyone to worship YOU....kinda like the rest of the corpse leadership!! Wayne and Shirley broke up after that year and she re-married someone who was the same!!

Paul was one of those guys who kept me sane, loved me when the branch was told NOT TO TALK to me and treat me like crap hoping I would leave. I think thats why somehow God knew NOT to send me wow on my interim year, Might have pushed me over the edge...Instead was privledged to be under Guarini in NJ with Nancy Kegley.

Please see your private topic Gray....

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They had given him 6 months to live, so he went ahead and made his last album!! 9 months later when it came out he even got to hear it!

He coughed himself into his grave,

light up another on all you smokers!

Eddie and Gloria were F5, my senior corpse. They were sweeties, actually used Eddies' research paper on Forgiveness for a basis of my own research paper.

Well let me continue the saga of the skinnydipping....(since Vicki INSISTS)

Well the receptionist was laughing her head off having to hand over the clothes to the guys in the wet undies. She was great. The guys of course knew my room so they came to take pieces of my flesh. Knowing they would KILL Me I was hiding out in another room, listening to them pound on my door and insisting I was there. My room mate, Gail, a black lady told them I wasn't there so they left. I sat in horror for weeks, wouldn't stay in my room for fear. So I hid out in other rooms for a long time. Rumor mill had all the facts about the incident, I was a marked woman. And the one wife was mad at me, like I knew they would get in the pool....oh well. Anyway one day at lunch, I was sitting w/Katie Connelly eating and low and behold they came at me. Lunch on this Sunday afternoon was sit anywhere, bbq type thingy, so I wanted to be with Katie. Then I looked up, and they were coming at me. I couldn't escape!!

They picked me up, (the whole crowd laughing and knowing I was in for it) and took me out to the pool and threw me in!

Could have been worse. But thank God it was over then.

Think BM was wondering what was happening, but he had his a$$ lickers that I am sure told him what the rumor mill had produced. Anyway it was pretty funny. Think the wife is still mad at me....lol. The 13th corpse girl was releived to see us all act normal. To her we were senior corpse and being there was to much once again for a single girl.

We all went out one night, to a local bar in Kendalville. I wanted to dance, so I danced with the coat rack. (Not as good as Fred Astair, but it was fun.) BM heard about that and teased me about it the next day...

I want to discuss some of the corpse things we did next time!! The bogus assignments and the stupid expectations.

But for now you all can imagine me dancing w/a coat rack or getting thrown in a pool.

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I'm still hoping that next year y'all don't pick a stupid month like September!!

Have Supermom arrange it for the Summer months so ALL her kidletts can attend.

Those of us w/teens will be glad to leave them home ;)--> but September is a bitch to get away!!

my heart is broken I can't be there....

my achy breaky heart...

y'all have fun yahear'

I expect pictures. Who has the digital camera??

Can't wait.

tho I be absent in the flesh, I be with you in spirit y'all.

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Tom, you said, "How was I able to relatively enjoy in residence"

I must admitt, we had a zainy wacky corpse, and we laughed a lot, I did

also enjoy much of it....really I did.

I mean the NYers were a blast!! Joe & Bonnie Phillips were the sweetest!

and even tho Dot didn't enjoy BM he was ok to us!! Chris Newcomb was a genius and did some really great skits and was talented up the ying yang, I laughed with him so many times, loved him and still do tremendously!!

The married men were wonderful to me, I mean they had their own wifes and kids but they still had a heart for us single moms and kids. And the wifes understood I think (cept for the NY wives.....)

John Niece (staff) was an *** but was a great boss for me. I was the secretary for the maintenance dept and John treated me good, it was a great job.

On LEAD one year me and Chris Newcomb relished our Mint Floss, it was flavor we could enjoy anytime!

I really had some great folks that treated me and my boys wonderfully. And we had to depend on each other for help so often. I mean they would tell us we had to go to Dayton to do whateverthehell, so we would have to pawn off our kids with whoever wasn't going this time. Then we did the same for them when they had to go.

Lemme tell you bout the skinny dipping thing. One night it was night off (BM & Dotty were out of town) Me and Linda Tokash decided to skinny dip in the pool. (small pool on top of the ground...thinking it was 4 ft high?)

Well got to be midnight and the couples started heading home from night out.

Bruce Peterson and Gino Tateo I believe....well they saw us swimming, told the wifes they were going in for a dip, and jumped in the pool. They didn't know we were nakee...... (them in undies)

we tried to stay away from them....but its a small pool.....

Bruce came up to me, put his hand on my back, then realized somehow that I had nothing on.....Linda decided to get OUT of the pool then...(she is a bit larger than me....) so then I HAD to get out, I mean there I was nakee in the pool w/2 married men.....(there was a 13th corpse girl there watching the whole thing) So I got OUT of the pool and decided to take the boys clothing....with me.........(I''ll show them!)

well I lived in the Annex, real close, so I got as dressed as I could, took the boys clothes to the receptionist and told her I found them!!

she said, "yeah, sure"....

well the boys had to walk thru the ac dining room in wet undies to claim their clothes.....

they got me back....later....at lunch one day...

did you guys already know this story??? I don't believe I told the details before....

IF anyone is interested I will continue with the continuing saga.....of

Suzie in the pool and payback time....

So I did also have fun. Alan Jewett was my drinking buddie. I would go to his room and his wife would say, " your girlfriend is here, want to go get beer with her?". Hal Smith (whose wife was corpse grad so he was in rez w/me) is my sweetheart. His wife would also refer to me as Hal's girlfriend, cause we loved...(we sat together in class and he would try to keep me awake)

So I am thankful for the great folks that I got to love in Rez. Some great women and some great men that I loved dearly. We did some really wacky stuff to make it fun.

Once when we were having baked potatoes, we took (everyone in the dining room) took their leftover potatoes to Alan's table, he must have had at least 25 potatoes to take back to the skullery. We had a water fight once at lunch too. Rebels we were....It also was the only way to put up with the insanity of what was expexted of us.......

Once we had a flop of desert, something lemon...it was rubbery.....so me and Wilma Willman (married Charlie Parsons-11th) took plates of the leftover rubbery lemon glop and put a plate in front of every door, knocked and ran.... Once we short sheeted our pals......

Laughing was medicine

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David I still am looking for you. Our days before corpse in CA were sweet!!

Anybody know where he is?? Heartell he has a brother out there somewhere.

David went to USC, what a guy, what a guy!

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I agree 100% with To Gray....

I also grieve.

We did what was expected of us, to ourselves, our families, our children. I also am thankful to move on in life and re-discover truth.

Its refreshing!

Life is really to short to live and dwell in the past. I choose to move on in life. I do miss some of the folks though.

Much better to move onward, upward!!

I also wonder what did I get of my own 17 yrs in (72-89)besides "Nothing but a heartache".

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we did NADA, well we worked together that day, that was special.

The house we were working on, nice folks, ordered Chinese food and we ate with them.

On the following Saturday we walked all over downtown tho, and Geo got a new hat....

then we had lunch together,,,,

does that count?? Then we rented Chicago and saw lots of T & A...hows that???

thinking maybe on our 20th we will celebrate then.

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No I never thought you even came close to making it personal against me, I honestly don't now or never did care who did/does/doesn't like or dislike me.

As for hitting our kids, once again it was expected for us to make sure our kids were, "in subjection" and it was something we were taught to do! (God forgive me once again)

I was just trying to show you the climate there at RC. Women (single)(and married) were expected to leave their kids and when they came home the kids just didn't get it. Many women were under a lot of stress. ( I know that is the same same as any campus)

I understand about being sick too. When I was sick I was still supossed to get my kids to meals, when they were sick, once I even had to miss a class cause my kids temp was 105. When the tc came to visit he was his tigger bouncy self and he thought I was looking for an excuse to stay out of the riviting class I was missing. When I went on lightbearers I came home to find out my oldest had blood poisining, and God forbid if he could get any help until my babysitter came up with the $50 to pay the doc. Twi wasn't going to dish out any money!!! I think the way the "leadership" at RC was no different than any twi people. It ran downhill, they did what they were taught, they were who they imitated.(BM, JL, CM, vpw) none of them were any different in my opinion.

Hey on lead Billy Grahme got in a car wreck and had to come home cause she broke her leg. They made a special lead for her....(and they were the original people who owned Tinny NM) We also had a girl, on lead, who got her eye poked and had to wear a patch on it...she still had to belay down the mtn... my back pack on lead was much to heavy hiking in, I fell over numerous times,(turtle effect face down) then I got dry heaves and had hypothermia type symptoms, they (mighty big of them) decided that maybe a back pack that weighed 180# was a bit to heavy for a girl of 120#. Once again, mighty big of them to relieve some of it. And lead were no different than any of the leaders. So it just didnt' matter where we were, they were groomed to make life hell for most.

The only fun I had at Emporia was pretending I didn't know the rules and breaking them...lol

gotta love that, but then I did it also at RC and HQ whenever I could.

Anyway I will not take up any more time on this tread, its sposed to be fun, not a big whine.

But if you find Dave Hanson tell him I love him dearly.

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So I tried to go to sleep and couldn't. Bear with me I just need to add one thing, or maybe two. I meant you 11th corpse women didn't understand us SINGLE moms.

That WC program you were in--we were also. I got up at 4am to run, so I could do laundry at 5am (against the rules) so that I could get ready for whatever the day held. You got up in the morning and got your own a$$ ready for the day, I did it for 3. You ate breakfast and went to your class or job, I had to take one kid to the school bus and one to the West Wing for childrens activities, THEN get my butt to wherever. Lunch I picked up a kid to eat with us THEN get him to take his little nap so I could either go to job or work. Dinner I had 3 at the table, once again little expexted waybots that were supposed to be perfect. I went LEAD and LIGHTBEARERS, HQ for a week, Surrounding area gigs, I moved whenever they called to change our ROOMS, usually 2 rooms subjecting myself to room mates not of my choice and sometimes my children got the same thing. I had to write a research paper, while juggling whoever would take my little ones so I could. My kids spent more time with strangers than their own mother!! So while we were with them to ENJOY them was most difficult. I had to get my tuition just like you singles, PLUS pay for 2 kids, intrim year-expenses for 3 of us. Lucky I was with Nancy Kegle. She loved my boys and we had a ball together in NJ. But otherwise I guess the guys of the 11th corpse liked my boys so I was lucky. Maybe they saw us single women struggle as single moms, which brings me to my 2nd point.

Single women with kids. Most of us didn't date either. Not just cause we were exausted...It was the 11th corpse guys-99% of them were afraid of us. Why?? In Dave Hanson's words, "You are to strong and being an instant Dad scares me". Dave was a doll, much to young for me anyway, but a sweety and I appreciated his honesty about us women with children. We didn't date cause also when we got a night off usually it was to spend with our kids! If we wern't running off to save the world somewhere we tried our best to be moms. Our expextations from leadership was absolutely stupid to be perfect little waycorpse and to have these perfect little children whom we had to subject to the wierdest conditions a mother would ever give a kid. I had to apologize to my children when they got older. Some of it was good, some really really bad.

So once again your perspective was from a woman who dropped in on a situation (RC) and only saw one little part of it. I wish you could have seen my kids when I came home. It took sometimes weeks before they didn't re-act to me even leaving for class!! The little guy just didnt' understand! Hell I didn't either! I think most of our kids were scared for life!

Dillard always got a kick out of my youngest cause he ate lunch at my table. He was always understanding of the woes of single women with their little ones. The Mosers also seemed to like the little kids, but not having any themselves at that time was different for them. I bet they have changed now!. The guy who married Alison Heaney watched my kids once for a week, he got my room all to himself and loved taking care of my kids. I never remember any 11th corpse women ever offering to help with the kids. I'm sure someone tackled you for help, depending where you lived, but I never had any offers from women.

Anyway somehow I too graduated. Even paid my tuition for the 3 of us! God forgive me for ever being there and putting my kids thru the living hell they must have gone thru at times.

My hindsite is a different perspective for sure.

Those of you with kids NOW think about going in the corpse with twi's expectations and YOURs. We were good little waybots wern't we??

We have been looking for Patricia for a long time too. Let me know Vic when you find her. I know where some of the others from that era are but not Patricia, and NO it isn't spelled Swayze. I don't believe she is still in WA state tho.

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