TED Ferrell

Thanks JR my friend for the info. I thought I had it right on both tunes but was not real sure.

Yes I recall about Right Now it was one of Helen's first songs she sang at The Crescent Theater. I asked you to do a Wes Montgomery lead and as usual you did a super job.

I still am one of your biggest fans cause man you can play guitar like no one I've ever heard. Hey let' get a band together and go on the road. You me, Lepenski, Ellenwood,MCcaw and any other stray cats we can find.

My Adorable Exie

Yeah we always did get along pretty darn good and still do. Could it be because of you being a Jersey girl and me and old West Virginia hilbilly.

I think I have your email addy if so I'll forward you a copy of There's A Place for us.I mean to tell you Carrie Underwood sings her heart out on it.

Richie lives in NYC I think in the Bronx.

Ken and Helen live about 90 minutes away from us we keep in touch and see one another from time to time. They are doing great.

E i pray things are going good for you and all is well.Love you girl and always will.

Your Hillbilly Friend

Ted

Thomas this last Sunday got by me also, my oh my ! The church mt wife and I attend did not mention it being Pentecost.

There is a lot of newer gospel songs that I really like,for instance a song by Carrie Underwood titled There Is A Place For Us. So much of the new gospel songs I enjoy come from country gospel. Maybe that's because I'm still a hillbilly at heart.

Socks I have a question for you do you recall who wrote the songs that Helen did one called Right Now and A Reason To Be Breathing ? i think Reason To Be Breathing was written by Richie. The reason I'm asking is because there is a fellow musician that has big church band and wants to record these two songs.He wants to give writers credits and obtain permission.I have asked Helen but her memory is about as bad as mine.Thanks for your help.

Yes yes Stevie Kay was one of the best that ever come down the pike.In the late 80's she and I worked as a duo doing a lounge gig in Colorado Springs . We performed there five nights a week and stayed there for 18 months. The owner wanted us to stay forever.

Stevie use to do New York New York with a top hat and cane.She always brought the house down with that number.

These days she is a high school music teacher in Cos. and her students have won many awards. We talk often and are still the best of friends. She is just about ready to retire

from the teaching profession.

Far as twi holding people down.I don;t know about that because many of the musicians were on paid staff and today you won't find many ministries that pay anything at all.I know cause I attend a mega church and about all I get for my efforts is a thank you. Which Is fine .

Hello Linda

Nice to hear from you. I pray all is well with you up there in Ohio.Here in Florida it's starting to get warm but that comes with the territory

If you ever want to come for a visi tyou are most welcome but let me know cause I'll have to clear out the alligators in the spare bed room. ha ha

Sure would love to see you again someday.You will always have a special place in my heart.

Your Friend

Ted

We sure had a lot of very talented musicians and songwriters come through those doors in New Knoxville. To this day I'm still amazed at the talent I had the privilege and pleasure of working with.

Most of you have never seen or heard me doing my lounge and club routine.I pretty much do all styles of music rock and roll,country,and a lot of the old jazz standards.I do a lot of Frank Sinatra tunes, big band and etc.Yes I'm still at it doing gigs here in Fl.

Be the good Lord willing I'll keep on a rockin'

Far as singing gospel that is still a very important part of my life Mostly in that avenue I perform in nursing homes and assisted living places. There is very little pay if any but it's my way of giving. Sometimes I'm even asked to preach.

Well anyways besides all the dog and pony show that some of us went through. A lot of the music and songs that were produced has a special place in my heart. And that's the name of that tune.

God Bless All

Ted

Socks you got that right on.

A good friend of mine that did contemporary praise and worship music for several years gave it up. One of the reasons was he said Ted I just got plain tired of belonging to the 7-11 club. I asked him what do you mean by 7-11 club? He replied well you do 7 verses with the same words and 11 chorus with the same words and each song lasts between 7 and 11 minutes.

The church my wife and I attend pretty much follows that 7-11 format. I enjoy some of the tunes but wish the musicians could be a little more versatile.As they are playing I look around at the congregation and at least 60% are over fifty years old.It seems to me they don't count as to the type of music that's played in the service.I have spoken out on this but to no avail.

I do some nursing home and assisted living gigs and always include some good old fashioned sing along's Sometimes I use Thank You Dorthy Thank You Rhoda tracks that I have and as I do so most everyone in the room knows every word by heart.

One style of gospel music where there is still a strong message story line will be found in country gospel,new and old I perform several in that style and most seem to enjoy it.

Contemporary praise and worship is the thing these days and far as I can see it's here to stay so likwe it or not Ted get used to it.Amen and Amen

The modern Praise and Worship music - there's a lot of it I like. I lot of it is basic pop music, heard one, you've heard a dozen just like it. I was involved in a Christian music forum for a year or so and found that many of the songs being written are really just turns of the same old phrase....."C - G - A minor F.........throw in a chorus of C - Bb - F C - D - F9 and repeat - different keys but kinda same. That particular verse progression has been used incessantly in pop music the last 10 years or so - I guess because it always works. But it's been done, to say the least.

Lyrics? Dunno - depends. A lot of it seems over wrought hand wringing stuff but again - I'm more or less okay with a lot of it. Can't think of anything in particular - Hillsongs always does good stuff, Lincoln Brewster's a local Cali guy that does nice stuff. It's interesting though, Christian P and W has definitely developed into a market slice.

The church we go to sometimes has some great musicians and they do good stuff, some standard P and W kinda things and others that are more original sounding. Jack Blades (Night Ranger and other stuff) is a local and he's done some tunes, he's written some very heart felt Christian music that I like that's he's done. The band leader's a very good musician as are the others, pianist, organist, bass player - real good bass players. One of their organists has become a friend and we got him into NAMM last year on my company card One of the guys from the CC&R reformed band subs in, good guy and killer guitarist. They often sub in for each other and the lineup moves around from week to week. They're largely local working musicians and do this stuff as a gig, and they're just good people all around.

But - Clayjay - I may actually feel a little like you - when we first began going I liked the music, electric pop and rock stuff, some older sounding standards done well but mostly rock. But after a few services - I had to ask "what if someone doesn't like rock?" Because that's largely what they play. These guys can play some serious stuff - the music at the services is the P and W style pop/rock, with some variations thrown in.

I agree- buzz the pastor on this and let your "requests be made known". I've written the pastor at this one and passed on my thoughts several times. He's definitely looking to do a more modern colloquial sound in the music but leaves most of that up to the people that play and sing. He has tried some other types of music in certain services. There's a general trend they're following - that's fine. I don't really go for the music to be honest but I do appreciate what they've done. It's not easy to do anything, whatever it is.

hi ted i love you

such songs that showed me why i was worthwhile

Clay Jay

Yes I do have the Heartbeat album are these the songs you are thinking about

1.Easy To Love You (JN) 2.It's Gotta Be God (JN 3.Pioneer (pressed down) Putting Wings To Your Prayer (pressed down) 4.Brand New Way (Socks and JN) 5.Gospel Songs (pressed down) 6.Accidentally (JN) 7.Give A Listen (pressed down) 8.All The Love In Your Heart.(Claudetee and JN 9.He Was Quite A Man (JN) 10.You Rescued Me (JN)

Here is the skinny on this album. I have a very good friend in Michigan that is a master of doing superb remixes from LP'S to CD. We are working together to persevere

the oldies but goodies for our generation and the next ones should The Lord tarry. I will send Heartbeat in the next shipment to him. So if this is the album give me a shout by email with your mailing address and soon as the album is transferred I 'll send you a copy free of charge.My email address is ferrellsong@yahoo.com

God Bless

Ted

Yep Socks this little fiasco is almost downright funny Guess she didn't know who she was trying to con. There are a few of us old fogies out there that have not lost our memory as yet. As for me I don't remember being absent minded. ha ha ha

Love You My Friend

Ted

Nice to see you two who know the score on those songs. I love those two songs myself BF and Chockfull. And hey, as an aside, but still on the topic of wonderful songs, I have a question to axe you Socks and Ted. First of all, at the first Heartbeat Festival, which took place at the Marin County Civic Center, I received a cassette tape of the weekend's biggest performance, an evening with Joyful Noise. I remember that "It's Gotta Be God" was on that one, as well as many other favorites. Even though many if not all of the songs by JN were on that tape, I loved that one in particular. The quality of sound was excellent, and either there was a couple of songs on it that were new, or I just liked the sound of it because I was in the crowd. Sadly, my '66 Volkswagen Fastback was broken into down in South Central LA shortly thereafter where I was a WOW that year, and my Alpine cassette deck was stolen, and in it, that tape from that night. I often prayed that the thief listened to the tape and got born again because of the words and sounds of the songs. BUT, I have also always thought that to get a copy of that evening's performance would have been so fine! I had often thought to ask Mark Glucken while he was still here with us if a copy of that was possible to acquire, because word had it that he had archived tons of recordings, including music. But, I never got around to it, and then sadly, Mark fell asleep. But I wonder, Socks and Ted, since you may have known some of those people, if you might know if there is a recording of that evening's performance? And if so, how I might acquire one?

HI CJ. I was at that Heartbeat, and the Seattle HB too, that year. I believe that year Good Seed played - ? if I'm remembering correctly, JN was out and about on field assignments that year and we were in California for the year.

I don't have that, sorry. Perhaps Ted or another will.

Yeah Ted, I can't really understand where that woman's coming from on this. Off her rocker is right.

I had to crack up seeing her facebook page and all the songs by Bob Dylan and others that she notes as "covers", giving the original artist full credit.

Yet, she stole - er-borrowed two "Christian" songs from others and put her name on them, thinking she'd get away with it.

Maybe we need a verse that goes "and be especially bad to anyone who's a Christian when you don't think anyone's looking".

bowtwi

Send me by email your home address and soon as I can will send you free of charge a CD copy of He Gave Me Love My email is ferrellsong@yahoo.com

Have a great day and God Bless

Ted

Maybe I should rephrase my question.

I tried to Google Stevie Kay and He Gave Me Love.

I would like to buy a cd or download an mp3, whatever is available.

Socks My Friend

Yeah this gal is off her rocker and just trying to cover her butt. You know how the story goes when caught in a lie you make up another one.

About the song The Price He Paid the copyrights are owned by Boskin Music out of Cinncy Oh. When Stevie did Love Child album that was not a in house Way Prod.

venture.

Far as He Gave Me Love you know and I know Stevie wrote it and that's that.

Pray all is well with you Janet and family. Sure would love to see you someday

Love You Brother

Ted

Sidenote to the sidebar...

Well well....thought I'd poke back in on that site and she appears to have removed that comment now. It was there last night, late and now, well, it's gone.

People are so....interesting, no? :excl:

Stevie Kay wrote He Gave Me Love in 1975 and was recorded on the America Awakes album

in 1976

Oh The Price He Paid is on Stevie's album Love Child recorded in 1977. The writers were Larry Panarello and Dean Ellenwood.

This gal Donna says her age is 50 so if we deduct 33 years that would make her 17 years old when these tunes were written and recorded. More than likely she was involved with The Way and heard both of those songs as preformed by the original artists

Far as Loretta Lynn wanting to record He Gave Me Love I know that did not happen.

Bless You All

Ted

I listened to both songs as performed by Donna and her claiming she wrote both is not true. I will let Stevie Kay and Dean E know and they can take from there.

My goodness you would think this woman should know better to claim she wrote those two songs.

God Bless

Ted

I listened to both songs as performed by Donna and her claiming she wrote both is not true. I will let Stevie Kay and Dean E know and they can take from there.

My goodness you would think this woman should know better to claim she wrote those two songs.

God Bless

Ted

Sorry to some of you folks for having posted some of my first hand knowlege about Way Productions and VP's involvement .When push comes to shove VP was Way Productions greatest supporter.I know that no matter what I say some reply's will be yeah but.

With that said I will be moving along. Just one more truth to add, The Victors I put together beacuse VP asked me to do it for him.

That's all folks have fun and God Bless

Ted Ferrell

Socks my man you got it.

That's right a producer is the one or ones that puts up the bucks.If anyone has a Pressed Down album look on credits that reads produced by Steve Hefner.On Selah the credits read produced by Ted Ferrell .One more album that has my name listed is on Tom L's Glory News

I decided that I or no one else were the producers ,only the board of trustes were the true

producers.That was my decision

Far as compensation is concerned let's say you make a recording for a major label. Before you recevie any monies the cost of studio time, musicians etc. and etc. must be met first.

Way Productions never sold enough product to warrant any compensation.The Way even at it's peak only around 25% purchased our albums.

In 1975 I had to convince VP.that I believed Joyful Noise was ready and that we should record and put out albums.I told him we will not be going to Cinn.Ohio to record and rack up thosand of dollars for studio time as we had done before,.but rather do it in house. My closing statment was let's think big but keep it simple.

He said OK and that's how Joyful Noise 1,2,and 3 come into being. Everything after that was recorded in house with the excepation of America Awakes in 1976. That was Ken's baby and he did a wondeful job of directing.To this day the songs and lyrics of America Awakes hold true for our hurting country.

There is much more that I could share but I'll call it a day, but before I head outI will add ,that my friend socks is still my favorite picker of all times .The man is the best all around musician,singer,and songwriter to ever come down the pike.

Hey You All

I don't post here much but will add a few things on this subject matter.Socks pretty well said it like it was.

When I started Way Prod .back in 1971 it was never my intention that we would control any artist or their God given talent .Believe it or not VP gave us free reign and most of the time he stayed out of our way.Oh sure he would add his two cents worth from time to time but it was never this is the law thing.

There is much that most of you have no idea about such as most of the pressure in the beginnings of Way Prod. came from leadership on the west and east coast.

In 1974 I chose from the fouth way corps (not VP) the musicans and singers to become part of Joyful Noise,and I will say that to this very day I'm so proud of all that took part in our venture. Later on we were blessed by several new members of Way Prod.

Some of you may think VP controlled Way Prod. but I'm here to say he did not and take it for what it's worth I have first hand knowledge on that issue.

The things that happened after I made the choice to move on in 1984 I don't know about.The reason why I moved on was because I could see and feel the cold wind of change was blowing in,and that my work for The Way was finished.

In my dealings with churches I have attended since that time,I have not found anyone that believes next to the greatness of God's taught or spoken Word the next greatest way to move God's Word is through music and song I heard VP make that statement many times

Please be it known I will not get into a ruhbarb with any of you or defend my statements.

God Bless All Of You And All That Good Stuff

Ted Ferrell

The first time I walked into the BRC one thing that warmed my heart was the great old gospel songs Dorothy and Rhoda were laying down. I loved it and still do.

Rhoda was a gentle kind lady that for years gave her all in all for and to The Way.There is no doubt in my mind that she has earned a lot of rewards that she will receive from our heavenly Father, after the gathering together.

The last time I saw her was at Mrs. Wierwille's memorial service .She was in a wheel chair then but quick as she saw me she grabed my hand and said Oh! my Ted I am so glad I got to see you again .Needlless to say that I was very happy to see her.We talked for awhile and I thanked her for all her years of serving God and His Son Jesus Christ.

Well my freinds with the passing of Rhoda that pretty much closes the books of the old gaurd. In closing all I can say are words that many of us heard countless times right before the sharing of God's Word ..........Thank You Dorothy Thank You Rhoda

So Long Rhoda My Beloved Sister In Christ

Ted Ferrell

John Shroyer was truly a example of all a man of God should be.

I knew John as a young man at TWI and he always had that kind loving giving heart.

I could tell you many wonderful stories about John, but like I wrote in previous post time and space will not permit me to do that. So I will write the more recent words and times I had with John.

In 1997 I had come off the road to help take care of my Mom in Cleveland Ohio. I found out some of what John was doing down in Tipp City. I went to see him and he spent a whole afternoon with me telling me his vision for CFF. He told me that after leaving TWI he and Mary Lou were planning on retiring to FL. One night before going to sleep God spoke to him and said take care of my people. John said he put up some fight and said no. But after God spoke to him a couple of more times take care of my people. John finally said OK. I’ll never forget one thing he told me that day, he said Ted if CFF gets to the point of being a centralized place with rules and regulations I will shut it down. To my knowledge he remained true to his words. And God’s Word.

When my Mom passed away in 2006. I asked John when you come to FL. Would you do a memorial service for my Mom and he said sure I would be happy to do so. I got to thinking about how much my Mom loved and respected John , so while John was here in Fl. I asked him if I could bring Mom’s ashes to CFF and put in the ground there. He loved the thought and we decided to do it during the time of CFF family reunion 2006. The place where John decided to put my Mom’s ashes touched my heart deeply. We buried Mom’s ashes in a flower bed right in front of the CFF entrance way. We planted a rose bush to mark the spot.

I loved John and for all he stood for. His only desire was to help and love God’s people. The words God spoke to him that he should take care of my people.John fulfilled that mission. Let us do likewise.

So Long My Friend See You Soon

Your Brother In Christ

Ted Ferrell

Oh! the wonderful stories I could write about John ,but time and space would not be enough for me to express my heart felt feelings about John.

The best way I know to sum up his life is to say-- John was a man after God's own heart.

I loved and will always love John Shroyer.

His Forever Friend And Brother In Christ

Ted Ferrell