TheEvan

Lots of nice comments. To many I'd simply say 'ditto'. Don't get caught up in semantics, though. If I wanted to get technical I suppose I'd say that tongues is a gift that is manifested when you haul off and speak in tongues.

I think the methodology used to 'lead people into' tongues in PFAL is flawed because it emphasises mechanics (which are quite absent from scriptures) at the expense of simple faith. Notice I said 'faith' and not your believing. No wonder we are left doubting.

I think having a faith crisis in the wake of The Way is normal and healthy if not particularly comfortable. At the root of your uncertainty is the fact that you were told these things by a flawed person who passed himself off as a holy man of God. It was 'predigested' and you are unsure because the knowledge didn't come to you by the Holy Spirit.

When I had my faith crisis I was literally driven to my knees in desperation. I admitted to God that I really didn't know anything any more, even if I was saved. I begged Him to show Himself to me and let me know if I were saved or not. I'll spare you the whole testimony, but I will say that God did give me an assurance of salvation and it wasn't through speaking in tongues. I no longer have a person to doubt, because my assurance came from the Lord himself. I can tell you I've been a different person since and that my ministry to others began in earnest that day.

There is no formula. Ask God for an answer. He delights in answering his seeking children. I will pray for you.

Oh no, that Big Ten vs SEC thing is not settled ... if those sissy southerners could play up north in the cold, where football is meant to be played, the numbers would be different. You put those Northerners in the heat and their body thinks it is summer. Bring those LSU boys up and put them on the frozen tundra ... then we can compare.

Okay, so that explains why Ohio State is now 0-9 vs. the SEC in bowl games. I get it Thanks!

Politics mixed with religion always seems to equal a poisonous brew.

I thought the KJV came from the Stephens text?

WG

It did. The article makes some good points but I hear the grinding of an ax in mine ears.

90% of the KJV comes straight from Tyndale, my personal favorite Reformation here and the most independent of them all. It is a more neutal version thn the Geneva, the latter being a reflection of Calvinist thought of the day.

A better read would be on the lives of the scholars chosen to produce the KJV.

Final poll:

Lsu

Georgia

Usc

I think they got it right.

Bwaaaahahaha.

Tigers Win!

Yo Sanguenetti, you were saying?

bozz?

:P

Tigers are looking goood.

LSU playing a home game (very unfair)

It's not unfair, bozz. The venue for this years' BCS championship game was set some years ago. LSU just happened to get into the game the year it is down the road. I think 'good fortune' describes it better.

I wish I could muster Danny's bravura but I can't. We had a very entertaining season (heart stopping is more like it) but we were plagued by injuries and didn't play well especially down the stretch. I'm worried, but hopeful (how's that for incorrect Wayisms??). I think we are more talented, but football is a team sport. I hope our 'good team' is on the field tonight. Geaux Tigers!

BTW, I was in the French Quarter on Friday and the place was dominated by Ohio State fans. They appeared to be having a good time.

After all that went down I'm happy to hear you've ended up following Christ.

You've listed most of the post-Way burning issues. For me, some of them remain aruable points, some not. For a few years after my departure I tried sorting out the true from the false until I had an epiphany...and rejected all of my Way teachings whole cloth. My view is that, while some of what was taught may be right, it is hopelessly woven together with fatal error. Rather than try to suss it out (an impossible task, imo) I purged te old lump and sought Christ much like it sounds you're doing.

In so doing, some of what I believed in Da Way has come back to me through other avenues, and some has remained dead in the water. But none of what I hold to is tied to the corrupt system. Make sense?

Welcome...

really? mine, too! they were class of '49 I believe... went there after the war...

I'd assume mine must have graduated around the same time. I wonder how I can search that out...

My dad went there and then to KC for KU medical school, I believe. My mom also went the Bryn Mawr & Smith

I'm amazed and gratified to see KU win, especially against a tough team with a good defense like VTech. Both of my parents went to KU so it was a natch to root for the Jawhawks...

Now, if that coach could shed a few pounds...

Not patsy...comparatively patsy.

LSU played (at the time of the game) #9, 12, 9, 17, 18, 17 (loss 3ot) & 14. Besides those, it played 3 SEC teams (Miss State, Ole Miss and Arkansas [loss in 3ot]) and two lesser conference 'patsys' (Middle Tenn. and Tulane).

USC played #14, 5 (loss), 24 & 6. Besides those it played Ida., Wash St., Wash., Stan. (loss), Az, ND, O State & UCLA.

Not a bad schedule USC played (4 ranked teams), but weaker than LSU's (7 ranked teams).

I will aver that USC was playing as well as anybody by the end of the season. Too bad they didn't get paired with Georgia.

And yes, the bowl system stinks. Who didn't know that the Hawaii-Georgia game wasn't going to be ugly and boring? The Rose Bowl pinheads should have matched Georgia to USC. Now that would have been the other great game to watch. And VATech should be matched against Oklahoma. The bowl wonks are killing their own golden goose by setting up boring blowouts. If all were right with the world this year would see 3 fantastic pairings:

LSU vs. O-Hi-Ya State (okay, so they got one right)

US vs. Georgia

Va Tech vs. Oklahoma

Then, if you want fun, pair Hawaii and Kansas; or Hawaii vs. the Red Raiders. (Hawaii still gets beat down in both cases but at least they could play a bit)

It's easy to have a chip on your shoulder as an LSU fan, especially regarding USC.

LSU won the BCS in 'aught three fair and square, but the media always calls them co-national champions with USC. Yet, the same media always refers to usc as national champions in '03 and somehow forget it was LSU that hoisted the crystal football that year.

Yes, LSU backed into to big game and are lucky to be there. Still, the betting houses favor the purple & gold, and so do I.

It's easy to say that USC or Georgia is playing the best football right now. But that doesn't make them eligible...you need a season for that. Most said LSU was playing the best ball last year...but that didn't make them eligible. LSU can't help it that USC played a comparatively patsy schedule or that they lost to mighty Stanford. Nobody played even remotely as tough a schedule as LSU. Note how many games were played against teams who were top 10 at the time. Nobody else was even close, not even in the SEC.

Her Dawgs are the Miss. State Bulldogs, coached by Sylvester Croom, whom I like very much.

Belle, I used to have an open invitation to home games in a toney suite at Wade stadium. Sis-in-law was, at one time, engaged to Mr. Wade's son. Alas, I never went.

Big fan here.

I have an incredible european recording on vinyl (BASF label) that is such utter perfection and joie de vivre and creativity.

I'm glad to have loved his art for so long while he yet lived and played.

If you would like to hear the ne plus ultra of choral singing I recommend King's College Choir. They're doing a show on many NPR stations as we speak.

The Mormon Tabernacle is great, but they pound the Messiah into the ground. The Messiah calls for a small ensemble of instruments and usually no more than 16 voices. Done properly, the baroque clarity shines through and the voices remain distinct. Not only is it a work of genius, it is a work of divine inspiration, imo.

I thought the good You Tube link would be easier to find if posted at the beginning of a thread. So...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlGesF2RFIc

I didn't do the parody, T-Bone. I'm just posting it for an anonymous comedic genius.

Now on YouTube for your viewing pleasure :P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlGesF2RFIc

It was yanked but I don't know why. Yes, John, it's a parody, and according to my friend who knows the Rocky Horror movie, a terribly funny one. I've never seen it, so I didn't really 'get it', but the visuals alone are tooo much. :lol:

Oops, sorry. Dang. I wonder if there's a way to capture it & post it elsewhere?

Omigod!

http://waycorps.ning.com/video/video/show?...110:Video:41254

Isn't Danny going to read this?

Hey, I need a good nosehair clipper myself...

Ideas have consequences.

A consequence of Way ideas concerning death is the manner of their funerals. They were clinical, emotionless affairs giving no room for loved ones to grieve publically and enjoy the warm support of family and friends. It shows up in the insistence of saying so-and-so is 'asleep' and in refusing an open casket, preferring no casket at all and a total unwillingness to embrace the pain of loss and give full expression to that pain. That wouldn't be "positive", y'know.

While I still accept most of the basic ideas of the state of the dead taught in Wayology, I think it is incomplete.

The original conundrum posed, "Do we have free will or are we robots?", is a false dilemma.

As JohnnyGSocks pointed out, foreknowledge is a given. Likewise, man's 'free will' is not much mentioned in the Bible because it is a given. It is not much mentioned in the Bible becasuse it is not man's big problem. Man's bigger problem is what he does with his will vs. God's will, and that the Bible addresses in spades.

GREAT post, socks.