JoyfulSoul

And, thank you, Joe. Somehow I imagined us all as seniors, I think it's fascinating to hear from someone recently with The Way. I'd love to hear your story, too. Just got my call from the "Limb Coordinator", if that's what we're still saying. Wonderful, fascinating conversation. He's 65 and he's been around his whole life...I mean, he's telling me about VPW's tangential real life relationship with the people in the recent movie, Jesus Revolution. Yep, both of us, doing a comparison of Lonnie Frisbee and VPW. Along those lines, Ted Haggard, ever heard of him? I had the opportunity to speak to him after church once. I'm pretty much full. Gotta process. Gotta 'hear' from God. Still hope to hit the Rock and maybe now a "limb" meeting. If you spill your story out here, Joe, I'll be listening.

Thank you, Nathan

See, Vineyard librarian. Now, that's the kind of thing I find interesting. I'd love to hear this story. That's not specifically about The Way, however. Out of bounds?

Modcat5, It makes me wonder how tightly the lines are drawn. I think this is the only currently active thread and and I haven't posted to any others. This is the third time the boundaries have been laid out for me (second by a mod). Are you saying the forum is not about people who have been involved with the Way? Just, the Way itself. I find it very useful learning about the spiritual life of the person I'm talking to. Everyone has had their experiences with the Way and this one came away and became a Catholic. Another came away and sometimes listens to LCM- just, imagine that!? Somebody has been deeply traumatized by his experiences. And, atheists. Of course I have shared a lot about my Journey, my faith and ministries I've been associated with. Are you saying Im pushing some kind of limit? As far as I know I'm the only one interested in reaching out to them and the truth is, how much a class costs isn't something I've even thought about. I'm not into rocking boats. I just don't know how strict you are about confining the subject matter. Comparing the lives of VPW and Lonnie Frisbee, for instance, to me that's very interesting. OTOH, you could say that's not about the Way. I just don't know because this freewheeling exchange has been therapeutic for me. I'm not really in need of anything, however. There's Charity, now. Comparing IHOPKC and The Way, is that out of bounds?

I want to be friends with them. I want to realize our brother and sisterhood. It doesn't matter to me if they have some different beliefs. That's been the story of the past 40 years. The only issue is whether they will accept me. I'm not exactly virgin clay. I'm not an empty vessel to be filled. Now, here's a crazy thought. What if, down the road, some people currently with the Way came on this board wanting to talk. What would that look like?

I just read this. All true. All true. Except, does that reflect the Way today? If so, they don't want me there, and I wouldn't want to be there. All love. Im not on a mission to mess with anything they are doing. Just, as I said, I stopped in to remember, and to feast on the beauty of the grounds. Serendipity, I met some really friendly and happy people. I talked to an old acquaintance from decades ago who had been a very emotionally well-adjusted individual- just nice and happy at the core. I do receive them as brothers and a sister in Christ. If like to be friends. I could do without any stage performances I've seen but I think talking would be both edifying and healing.

I don't know how this is going to go over but here it is. No end of the dead alive, angels, "caught up" to Heaven, visitations of the Lord etc, etc. I used to attend a small gathering in Jacksonville called All Things Restored. In one of their meetings, different ones talked about their out of body experiences. Now, the Bible is not my God, God is my God, but the Bible is the owner's manual for my life with God. Just remember most of Christendom lived their lives without even having a Bible. I'm still in the process of reconciling everything I'm hearing with the word.

Yeah, it's like I said, if I'm the only one who has experienced redeeming qualities with the Way I'll just need to be getting on my way. No offense. All love. We're just doing something different. Keep in mind, I haven't done much at all since the 1980s. I've experienced flaws. Serious Flaws. The people I talked to at HQ recently, they've experienced flaws too. For anyone traumatized, I want to give you whatever space you need.

It's a good thing I'm a follower of Jesus Christ and not some other man. The Way International taught me that. Previously, I considered myself an atheist. The narrative of the life of VP Wierwille, maybe I don't know half of it. I do know this, I have Holy Spirit in me, I have some level of discernment, and even though he passed before I came to the ministry, you can't convince the love of God was not in that man. Now, when you get done gnashing your teeth, I'm fully aware there were other things in the man, too. That's tragic. How about that miracle worker Lonnie Frisbee. Is somebody surprised that a godly man can get horribly off track? Anybody here know of Paul Cain? Todd Bentley? Mike Bickle? Jimmy Swaggert? Nothing new under the son, fellas. It's a good thing the Way Introduced me again to Jesus Christ. He doesn't have those kinds of problems.

There is this reformation going on in Christianity. I believe it's called deconstruction. I've been churching a long time. At IHOPKC the vision was the Arrowhead Stadium Prophecy. At Morningstar it was prophecy and worship. Everywhere it seems the vision was another Azusa Street Revival. Miracles? Where are the miracles? We know this much, God isn't the one who has to change. Well then, who has to change!? Did any of you catch the recent Asbury Revival? You may not think that was real but don't even waste your time trying to tell me it wasn't. Dr Wadsworth has just been doing a deep dive on the structure and practices of the first century church. Actually, he's been doing it 40 years or so. He himself started as a professional Sunday-preaching pastor. He does this deep dive and then he compares it to our modern churches with an honest look at our dysfunction. I'm the one saying the Way incorporated a lot of insights into this dysfunction, perhaps the chief of which is that we the laypersons should be studying the Bible FOR OURSELVES. The Way does that. They teach that. I don't have much of an answer for those who have memorized a litany of everything the Way did wrong and don't see anything they do right. That has not been my experience. I don't have the energy to change anyone's mind like that. If I don't find anyone here who has something redemptive to say about the Way my time here will be short lived. Not mad at anyone I'm just coming from a different place going in a different direction. I want everyone to be happy. Just, why are people here? Im only here because I know of no other place to talk to ex-Way people. If I'm the only one who thinks he sees something positive I'm probably in the wrong place.

I mentioned this man before. The Way is part of a further reformation of the church, IMO. Anybody want to see the miracles, again?

Respectfully sir, Evangelicals make up 25% of the American populace. Zionism dies without theology. As I've said before, I do plenty of that elsewhere. I don't need it here. Hopefully more are interested in the Way as it is today. That's why I started the thread.

Zionism is a passionate topic with me. It makes me angry we even have to discuss it. People can be so dense. 'Duh, the Jews, God's chosen people. Israel! That's in the Bible.' It just depends on who wants it. I don't personally need it. There are people more courageous than me on X.

Thank you. Thought maybe it was the guy who wanted me to know Chuck Baldwin is a verboten political figure. So, who here is Christian? Anyone wanna get saved?

That's why they call you the Wordwolf. Interesting whatever you must share in a community that needs to differentiate agnosticism from satanism. They are different.. (so, what is it? Two or four?) Exegesis, am I using that right? Nice breakdown of the related verses in chapter six. Going back to this "church", have you noticed that churches largely try to expand our generosity by encouraging us to give right here into this offering plate? Right here. Make your checks payable to Crossville Church of His Holiness. Do it now. Yours is the first exegesis of Luke 6:30 I've heard. So, let's talk about the beggars on the street corner. Let's talk about all the merchants collecting money for charities. Let's talk about going deaf and tensing up. We could also talk about giving so as to not look stingy. Giving out of guilt. Giving for a show. In my experiences "churches" don't do all that. Put your tithes in the bucket and we'll sit around in the back room and divvy them up. Trust us. Sorry, been bludgeoned in offerings before. I've been in churches where if you did not harden your heart to the preacher you couldn't take it. Idk, idk, idk. I just know I've developed a method that has enabled me to navigate those waters. If somebody reads this and is truly living a financially abundant life and has real insight into my brokenness I'd like to hear it. The places where we assemble have light bills. The people who organize our meetings gotta feed their kids. It's right to be happy to chip in. Like, who hosts this board? Should I send $20?

I'll start with JCS. I can't touch that. I don't want to touch that. I don't know about all that. Somehow, I've got to try not to offend. I got exposed to all this "trauma informed" lingo in the IHOPKC fallout. I'm sorry, I learned enough not to trample on things I don't understand. I don't. OTOH, I would have hoped you have seen I've been around some. What's readily apparent to me is I haven't been beaten or imprisoned. I never made it out of the minor league and don't really want to. I will however bridge the chasm if I have the opportunity. I'll meet current Wayfers and befriend them. I don't have any other agenda than love for the brethren. Why do I suddenly feel like an astronaut on a launch pad not knowing what he's getting into? I don't know what I'm getting into...!? Maybe I'm a missionary to some African cannibals!? Regardless, I'm down. THIS, I believe is what Jesus would do.

Gentlemen, I'm just going to write and you'll figure me out. Quoting at times can take up a lot of space and be cumbersome. FREEDOMMMM!!!! I'm not going to last in any assembly of saints that tries to take away my freedom (I've learned to hate the translation "church" with all It's ecclesiastical expectations). Maybe that's why we have different remembrances and attitudes. I was largely on the outskirts just as I was the IHOPKC. Lot's of really bitter people over there, too, but they kicked me out 17 years before the meltdown. I'm not submitting and getting trapped. Just try to dictate my walk with God. I don't think that highly of you. A lot will be revealed if I tell you how I approach financial giving. I get paid and move 10% of my after tax earnings (I'm just telling you what I'm doing. I do the same with my tax refund) into a savings account. Then, I give wherever I give and replenish my checking account with that 'tithe' account. I do this in part because I can be cheap and stingy. To me, it's my training wheels way of giving until such time as I can pass it out freely. I want to keep giving you some truth. I generally look away from the guys on the street corners. I tend to stiffen up or become deaf when I sense a beggar approaching. When they ask me at the store if I want to donate my change I say no. Give to everyone who asks of you. And from him who takes away your goods do not ask them back. Lk 6:30 I hate that verse. Burr in my saddle. I'm chastened by it. I don't live up to it. But, I'll let it bug me. I won't ignore it or pretend it doesn't exist. Idk if I'll ever live up to it. Thus, my method of tithing. Now, don't demand my tithe because this is where I'm getting fed. You don't know everywhere I'm getting fed and you don't know everywhere I'm fellowshipping. Digital age, baby. I've got better sermons than yours at my fingertips. So now, what does that leave? If I love you, and you love me, I'm going to peel off some of that tithe money and give you some. I'm passing it out anyway. I decided it wasn't mine when I moved it from my direct deposit to that savings account. I get "fed" lots of places. I also appreciate the charitable activities at various places. In this way I'm going to give a "tithe", but if any particular ministry is demanding all of it...guess what...not a place I want to be. So, now you know how messed up I am. And, if that don't fly with today's The Way International, no problem. I love you. We good. Just, no man is going to dictate my relationship with God. So, we'll see. That's all. Just kicking the tires. Pray that I stop being so stingy.

Hi, I know you weren't addressing me but that was sweet anyway. Yes, I've been kindly run off in the past. On another occasion I had a nice conversation with a worker but he had a bad case of potty mouth. That was in the middle of the bitter years and I'm sure to him it signaled 'Im not religious' I want to poke my nose in and see what's up. Evidently, no one else shares that sentiment. All good. All love. I'll report back for the one, two, two and a half that might be interested. I absolutely hope they're doing well, that would make me happy. If we have sown spiritual things for you, is it a great thing if we reap your material things? 1 Cor 9:11 If we're going to just disavow the word isn't there some nice satanist forum out there!?

Love you man. No, I'm not having much fun, here. Look at all this negativity. If only someone would have taught us to make God's word our own!? Then, we'd be walking with Jesus and not sitting around crying about decades old offenses. I love the truth tellers and honestly, a lot of them aren't Christian. But, they're speaking truth to power and that just warms my heart. Baldwin seems like an angry man. Well, rightfully so. But I've known great joy in the Lord and I can't camp out at angry. Then, there are a bunch of ministries centered on Holy Ghost whack. Spiritual drunkenness. Joy in the Lord. I'm stuck in the middle somewhere and I don't know how to navigate these waters. Thankfully I have few pressures and responsibilities and I can take on this challenge to figure out where my mind and emotions should be. My nose will stay in the Word.

Wikipedia? Nice.

Yeah, I remember my first twig and being broke and not conditioned to donating my scarce money. They're trying to be free with the ministry but need to see the money coming in- even if it's sincerely to see us grow Spiritually. God set it up that way and there is tension.

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waysider, Curious how many people were here in this board's heyday. It may not happen on this board. I stopped by New Knoxville. I called and talked to an old acquaintance. I'll keep fishing around wherever I can find. I make a good trade for a younger Wayfer. I have some knowledge of the ministry. I have knowledge of decades of wandering Christendom. I'm sure I could have long, fascinating conversations with people swapping what we know. Much of it depends on the current level of tolerance for somebody who has been at it for awhile and has different ideas about this or that. When I got singled out at the Shenyang Foreigners Christian Fellowship it wasn't because I was saying anything about the Trinity but because they learned my background. They made it an issue. My involvement would be loose and friendly and if it caused a strain... I'm fine. Haven't been there for nearly 4 decades anyway. What's ABS?

Oh WordWolf, I've already been warned about politics. Starving people to death... There are different things being said about the DNA tests and the Zionists are inveterate liars. This photograph was from another conversation a couple days ago. Look at the date. Look at the oh so coincidental number. No politics, right? I won't even start.

Baldwin is a preacher. Candace Owens is a vocal Christian. Theology is at the heart of it. Seems a little trigger happy if you ask me. That's not why I came hear anyway. The ROA is in August. Im just casting a wide net with regards to who is with the Way and who might be interested in what appears to be a revival.