Danny

He/She/it could of said I love you and If you didn't get that I love you. And all of yall are going to hell. it's the word yea right

Hey Al I love you. Pray you are good. And the peace of God is you life. Yes we had some BS to my deal. The end result I could see forever for a few years. now its the same as before plus can't read. oh yea I couldn't read before the deal. Down here in cajun land you get to read after you go to LS and U

Thank God for bless patrol. I bet lots of couples got married because of it.

Thanks Rocky My sister the Dr. told me not to. I was looking for the cure. I hate it when I have to tell my sister she was right. We were always on the tit for tat deal. Sibling rivalry. Ask a Dr who is outside the eye field. You will be more informed. I think it would fall into elected surgery.

That was a good one God got me there because I had some money for a wow.

Well old Craig and D Bob And D and a few other stole a van from HQ to go so they wouldn't have to hitch. It broke So guess what the rented a car or something like that Some flew home. veepee was not to happy but this was not a published fact. Some Ford place in New Mex put a new motor and so someone else had to go pick it up. Oh yea they ran the place. Christmas week of 80. They slept in beds and showered every day. Did not climb. Yea did I tell you they ran the place. So who is full of sheet or what.

Looks like I am the only stick in the mud here. I don't want to lower the good it has done for all that have posted. BUT there is evidence last I read a few years ago about a 25% failure rate. Some people completly blind. As far as my deal. My Dr. was one of the founders of it did thousands of these. I had to have 3 follow up tune ups with the knife. the second you get it done for seeing far (near sightedness) you can't see close any more. Big mistake. BIG Then you have to have glasses any way. And if you have it before 50 sometimes after 50 or so your eyes get tired (used) and guess what you have to get glasses any how. So you give all this money you take a great chance at going blind and a few years later you get the same glasses back. I would never do it again. BUT if I was crazy enough (ME not you fine folks) to do it I would do one eye at a time. Better to have sight in one eye than none. I think in our humaness we want every thing to be good and not look at some of the bad evidence. Maybe do a google on all the lawsuits aginst Drs of blind people.

Just for the heck of it I read the bible again to make sure I have all my nuts in the right place. In Gen 1;14 The lights are for signs and seasons for days and years. Guess what they had winter. Maybe no snow in south Fl. But lots in Buffalo N.Y. Gen 2:5 God had not caused it to rain upon the earth and there was no man to till the ground. He God knew about the rain deal next verse it says a mist from the ground coming up. Tilling can be lots of work. Verse 8 God planted a garden Eastward in Eden. Well if it is eastward it's not where they are or westward. It was a special place not every where. Leaves room for all the rest of the earth to have a bear fest. Verse 10 A river must of been lots of water to have a river. Not like one of those little misters they have in some gardens a small shot of water that's it. River with 4 heads at that. Gen 7:4 Says it will rain for 40 days. He god could of said it will rain for the fist time. He doesn't so we can't know it was the first or 100. I have found myself thinking something because I was led to believe it. I sometimes didn't weigh it out in steps and made a error by not applying logic. I made my own religion.

Thanks Roy

I'm not God you knew that but see what I'm trying to say. At my house, i have 3 gardens in my back yard. A rose garden. A vegetable garden. a flower garden that wraps around a pool. Yes nice big back yard filled up with things. See God had this place called the garden of Eden. It wasn't Earth It was a place. On my property I have a front yard 2 side yards one bigger than the other. And a back yard and the house of course. God could of said earth. If you make Eden earth you have a problem. God said he made whales and all kind of creatures and said fill the earth. I don't have a whale in my back yard. Just like Eden maybe not every thing was there. Maybe so. Eden could of been 1 square mile or 10 or 100 or 1000. It doesn't say so I can't guess. It was not the whole earth. Just like my back yard as nice as it is it's not Eden. And as nice as Eden was it wasn't the whole earth. He drove them out of the garden. Then where did they go if it was the whole earth? Its very tricky if we or I want to get rid of wrong doctrine. See they went out of the great place. Plenty of animals eating animals. Death Why does he say subdue the earth? Why not yall go have a good time make lots of kids and baby whales. Multiply. If we read into what is said we make a mess or I do. Apples don't grow here. But they grow like crazy other places. Just like the rest of the earth. Some things some place not others. I can live with the garden being prefect. But he put the devil out and guess what he had the earth. Have you ever seen them big pliers they use to crack nuts? Go ahead take you best shot.

Templeladay Thanks for letting me discuss with you my thinking Look do you drive car. Yes Well what is the main thing that powers it? Gas Where did that come from? Oil Oh from deposits of dead animls and trees and things like that. yes WoW how did that happen? And When? Lots on this subject to show lots of death. As far as the seasons. God in the days made earth-firmament made the sun for the day and moon for the night. How does that happen easy - the earth rotates around the sun on a axis which causes seasons. Let me tell you where I live we had this winter 2 days that was below frezing for more than 2 hours. I think where you live many days of cold. Yes it can get very hot here. I have been to places where it stays nice almost all year. If I judge the garden only by where I live I could understand. Another thing we have to put in the mix Satan is the prince of the power of the air. That happen before the garden. I can understand your thinking. I don't nesessary see it in the bible. I think there was plenty of death before the fall. Just to man there was no death. Does it say the first time it rained was with The Big Boat. The power of susjestion is a big thing. How do I form what I think and you. Did someone tell you the first time it rained was with Noah. It sounded good but is it true. If it's true then show me. I know I'm sort of that way. Please I'm not picking on you or trying to mock you I love discussing things. Maybe I'm just a nut that needs to be cracked. Or just nuts. Help me out. If you can deal with my spelling and subject matter jumping then we can play.

Why shouldn't I think there wasn't. God made the Sun the Moon they both do there jobs. rotate. the result is seasons. I can go in to a long scintific deal and show no other way. So animals have brains an can't die? Personally Tempelady I can't read no death. Very plainly it says to man Adam. yes to you the day you eat but where to animals. Just give me the verse and show me I think you are reading further than it says. Just because a dog might be mans best friend he is a dog. Sure there was seasons why not or give me a verse why you would think not. The garden was work that is what said for them to do. All them animals that God put there had to eat something. I don't think Cains deal was the first of it's kind because he said after his punishment from God he had to have a mark so someone would not kill him. God told Adam death Well how would he know what that was if it wasn't happening. Sure the old bear ate the sheep. Adam knew what it meant just had to look all around him. My dog understands I am his master. he won't bite me. But you might not just wall up to him he will bite you. Adam was the master of the garden.

I have to think Seasons. Winter Spring Summer Fall Natural course of the sun. Moon tides current in the ocean. I can not see no death. If you make a broad past with thinking death to man = death in every thing else. Maybe if you do this then you will surely die like other things die.

I do believe death to man happened because of the forbidden fruit. But I have a hard time reconciling there was no death. Leaves fall off trees they die.

I think if we ask the money question we will get the answer. Cheap

Speaking of death even though it says we already beat it It also say the last enemy to be destroyed is death. So sort as the beginning where god said you will surly die a time thing takes place.

I had it done. I would never do it after knowing what I know now. I would say don't do it don't do it.

Lets see the best thing I learned in pfil was if you have red drapes and it sits there like a duck the fear in you heart will kill you kids. It has been a disgrace for me to be here with you this day. And I walked out lifted my hand and said I believe God could heal me but I don't believe in your Jesus. Better be planing a good brain washing because vp is fixing to screw you up.

As far as lead goes the part that took place in New Mexico was cool for me. As far as the whole concept it was a bunch of sheet. You are going to put 60 year old over weight ladies on the road hitching a ride and climbing rocks so they can believe better. Right And test them as if they were a 19 year old take a chance Man/boy. Right And hitching is not dangerous lets see I have a camera we will start with your daughter and a friend give them each 20 dollars and tell them to be someplace between 30 and 36 hours across 6 or seven states. If they fail they aren't believing God. Right

As far as Adam and knowledge I think he must of been way above average. Maybe perfect. I would think so. It never says it so it's a guest. The forbiden fruit was that of just knowing good and evil.

wow looks like we are playing nice again. thanks peace

Larry from my seat looks like you do more questioning and starting to insult some. This tread was and is about Adam and Eve it would be nice if you want to bitch at other start you own tread. You welcome to stay it's an open board. I think I asked you on the prayer form to do the same. Let me here are you really here to add or subtract?

My Question would be if you read lost of the post in the other treads Why do you go in circles with your questions not getting anywhere? Just say what you believe and let it stand. Change if you learn something new .

Hope you make a few bucks. Mine hit the garbage.

looks like you are doing fine. lots to think about.