Mark Clarke

I think a big part of the problem was the wrong doctrine of "The Law of Believing." They taught that our believing was the key to everything, and God had almost nothing to do with it. They even taught that the early Christian martyrs, especially the Apostles, died when their believing failed, rather than that God had some purpose for it. Only in recent years have I come to understand what profit there would be in their death. It helps to verify that their witness was true, since nobody in their right minds would be willing go to their death for the sake of something they knew was a lie or a hoax. God having a purpose for their death would make no sense if this life was what it was all about. But they will be in the resurrection when Christ returns, and eternal life is God's perspective. This life is fleeting and often short. Not because of our believing but because it just is. We live in a fallen world, and we are told that sometimes there will be suffering in this life. It doesn't mean we're "not believing" - but we're to keep looking toward the hope of God's Kingdom. But that didn't fit with TWI's theology, hence the blame game.

I never understood the appeal of such things. I prefer to enjoy my food when I eat it.

Tom,

I came to the same conclusion as well, regarding God's Holy Spirit as opposed to each of us having "our own" holy spirit. I think that old teaching was (at least partly) based on the wrong teaching about man having been body, soul, and spirit and then losing spirit so he needed to get it back. I started a thread about this a while back, unfortunately it turned into a debate about the trinity. You may still find parts of it interesting.

I used to watch My Little Margie when I was a kid. Robert Klein did a comedy routine about it on his album, Child of the Fifties. You can even see clips of the show on YouTube. I also have vague memories of The Gale Storm Show (where she was a cruise director), but My Little Margie is what I remember her best for.

Indeed, one of the reasons he is so celebrated is the fact that he broke through the racial barriers in pop music. They didn't play black artists on MTV before his videos came along. And his style mixed rock, R&B, and other styles, appealing to a wide range of people. Most of the pop stars that have come along since acknowledge his influence on them.

And by the way, most of the negative things people think they know about him are based on rumors and misinformation. Let his music be what he is remembered for.

Possibly something from Bullinger's Numbers in Scripture. I seem to remember he had several examples of numbers and numerical patterns in nature as well as in the Bible.

One statement from that site I do agree with:

"The hero of the Way Ministry was not him, but God."

Anything that was good about it was because of God, and blessed people in spite of the bad things in the ministry.

From his web site:

"It's easy to mourn his death, but easier to remember a time when he made you laugh."

http://www.domdeluise.com/remember.html

I loved her acting! I saw her once with Lucille Ball in an old movie. She had that 'voice' even back then. God Bless her, she gave joy to so many.

That would be "Mame" from 1974. She played the supporting role in it, the same role she had played on Broadway when Angela Lansbury played Mame. And she could sing too, even with "that voice."

This brings back memories, as the movie came out not long after I was in my high school's production of "Mame." And of course I always watched Maude. Bea Arthur was a unique talent.

Would he be a bit of a hothead then?

That is the burning question of our age.

(Should we flag this as a hot topic?)

My two cents....

I think what's more morbid is putting up little shrines to her vicster, resurrecting his programs and teachings, fondly referring to him as der manogawd.. with full knowledge, or wilful blindness of his true character..

Or naming one's offspring after him. Subsequently resurrecting an abusive system with no checks or balances and putting said offspring on top of the organization, having said offspring abandon a real "calling" of sorts.. Give him a shortcut to power and irresistible worship and fawning, when he should be in grad school., acquiring a few professional connections and training.

Morbid.. willing to sacrifice your own offspring to a false illusion of what vic really was..

God have mercy on your soul..

Those things aren't morbid, they're just misguided.

I agree. Charles Ives was an amazing composer, imo a genius ahead of his time who unfortunately all too often goes unnoticed or underappreciated.

is a rare recording of him playing one of his compositions, a sonata for piano.It may not be for everyone-I think it is extraordinary myself

BTW you quoted definition 2 not definition 3.

You're right, thanks. I corrected it in my post.

i don't know..... what does morbid mean ?

morbid (definition 2): abnormally susceptible to or characterized by gloomy or unwholesome feelings.

It's not only morbid, but in bad taste. The man was warped. He's dead. God will judge him. Holding onto such hatred will do nothing against him, but it has a negative effect on the ones holding onto it.

I don't expect to be agreed with, I just thought I'd say it.

Build a man a fire and you warm him for a day. Set a man on fire and you warm him for the rest of his life.

Twinky,

You are very fortunate to have found such a house group. That's the way it's supposed to be, IMO. Too bad there aren't more of them around.

I thought satire was protected under fair use? what infringement did Fox claim, I wonder?

Satire IS protected under fair use.

twi, as usual, rattled their sabers and bluffed. YouTube rolled over.

I think it may have to do with the fact that the song was lifted right from the soundtrack of Rocky Horror and just combined with the visuals. I seem to remember hearing that a new recording in which the song was parodied constitutes satire, but not just combining the same song with different visuals. (I could be wrong.) Besides, the msg says it was pulled by Fox, not by TWI.

Is there some way you can share this (as it did get taken down)?

It is still on the main page here at GreaseSpot.

"You Don't Know"

by Cyndi Lauper

You don't know where you belong ...

You just need to belong somehow.

Relying on rhetoric ...

Not well versed on topics ...

Any idea what you're talking about ?

Revisions of history

Fair well in some company

But don't shove that bullsh!t down my throat

You don't know where you belong ...

You should be more careful

As you follow blindly along ...

You just need to belong somehow.

Left suppresses right

Right suppresses left

So what's the left, and what's right ?

You're told what to wear,

You're told what to like

It'd be nice if you'd think for yourself sometime,

But you don't.

Now you don't know where you belong ...

You should be more careful

As you follow blindly along ...

You just need to belong somehow.

You just need to belong somehow.

So life turns up empty

And you're so dissatisfied

Who are you blaming this time ?

Don't you know ?

Now you don't know where you belong ...

You should be more careful

As you follow blindly along ...

To find something to swear to ...

Till you don't know what's right from wrong

You just need to belong somehow.

You just need to belong somehow.

See Video Here

This expresses a big part of why I bought it for so long. I needed to belong and didn't think for myself.

I don't know you or where you are in the picture, but the clothes and hairstyles really take me back. Sometimes I miss the '70s.

I saw your name in the birthday section at the bottom. What a pleasant surprise! Haven't heard anything of you in years, and I didn't even know you frequented GreaseSpot.

I hope your birthday is happy.

Mark

Have you ever even read the bible?

Re 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

And somehow this is thought of as future?

How long will one hold hell? when he sees it?

Does it state when? who? or all at the same time?

No.

Re 1:18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Besides the Lazarus parable.

Of which it's beauty remains hidden

"Somehow"? How could it NOT be future? The devil has not been bound, Christ and the saints have not reigned on earth for a thousand years, the devil has not gathered great armies against the saints after being released, and the Great White Throne judgment has not taken place. All these things take place BEFORE verses 13 and 14 which you quoted.

Your point was that 'hades' is "more of knowing by being shown" by "1st hand experience." No one has had first hand experience of hades and told anyone about it. If Lazarus told anyone what it was like, it isn't recorded anywhere. And the men of God who wrote by revelation from God described it in several places as being a state of unconsciousness.

It's likely that the word 'hades' is more of knowing by being shown as you have said. And that which is being shown is 1st hand experience. Which takes one by surprise in it's depth, in it's living reality now, in it's truth that is here yet to be discovered.

Who has first hand experience of hades and has communicated it to us?

Yeah....hm

If all we go by is the bible, we are limited greatly.

That's true. If it weren't for the Bible, anybody could believe anything they wanted to. Come to think of it, many people do!