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Many of the more formal and higher church denominations begin a worship service with a procession into the church  of clergy, acolytes, attendants and others involved in the service during the opening hymn. It is generally customary for the congregation to stand. That has been happening for over a thousand years

The intent is not to honor the clergy but for the congregation to recognize and participate in the beginning of the worship service.  

I know hundreds of clergy from various denominations, this is the only instance that  I can think of where someone is expected to stand “when clergy enters the room”.. 

I have no idea but it could partly be a bastardization and misinterpretation of that... but mostly i think it is due to  overblown egos, and fragile sense of self importance 

DWHB-

I have absolutely no disagreement with you on the institutional failings of the minus tree but I have to say although the majority of the theology, examples I experienced were something that I want little to do with --some simple statements that i heard can still ring true at times -at least to me.

Even if the ministry failed to live by the aphorisms it promoted some (certainly not all--make no mistake about that) of them were still pretty good ideas. If they can be divorced from being associated with 'the institution' of TWI , I think we'd find that many of them are fairly universal ideas that never originated in TWI in the first place but may have been a place where some of us first heard it.

Even if the organization did not, there were people that took some of these general sayings to heart and incorporated them in such a way as to be genuinely beneficial to them or others on some level or another.

Im not a TWI apologist, but having spent a portion of my life there, thoughts, ideas, sayings, and phrases rise in my memory. A lot of them are .... of course, but some of them can still be worth considering--not because they were from TWI but because they are good general ideas .

Regardless of where it came from, what 'they' did with it, or whether they were stolen rewrites --some of the individual concepts werent all bad..none of us would have ever stayed if there wasnt an occasional something that grabbed our attention.

. The big problem (for me at least) was swallowing the whole thing without much real discernment if any.

iI know its like mining through manure at times, or looking for a kernal of wheat amongst the chaff but i have to admit that something that is worth remembering occasionally arises for me.

My involvement was over a decade, in any ten year period of my life ive heard something worth remembering no natter how bad the overall picture..

It was an odd period of time, maybe its stretching it but at this point Ill take what i can from that time so i dont have to write it off as a total loss.

Whether they did it ir didnt do it- I still think loving your neighbor (or whatever the exact quote was which i cant see right now) is a pretty good idea. If thats what i get to pull out of the wreckage--ill take it

There is no way that I want to see a Game 7- It is 12 hours before Game 6 and I can't eat or sleep.

My chances of getting anything done today are officially zero..so far I have got what I wanted --well much more than I wanted really-

-In April I pegged this team as lucky to finish third and hopefully make baseball, which had been disastrous in Boston for 2 years, fun again. They have far exceeded anything that I had hoped for, this is all gravy.

Its good to see what can happen when 25 guys- all 25 guys- regardless of their supposed skill level, play together for a single common goal as opposed to their individual accomplishments.....It is a rarity in sports but it has come through this year and has been great to watch--Go Sox!

Lets hope so...but I am not counting anything until the final out...or the final walkoff...It is still 14 hours until game time and I havent slept, cant eat and feel like a 5 year old on Christmas Eve. It is looking good for the Sox--I like their chances but No matter what happens my body is gonna be a wreck for a week if I live through this

Last night was the 27th anniversary of the Buckner game, the Red Sox certainly remembered him and honored him well

after the last two games Id be all for never ever throwing to third again or at least until they can field better than 9 year olds

For tonight I'd like to see both teams play up to their capacity for at least one game(and hopefully the rest of this series) is that so much to ask?

One Down Three to go- Hopefully the Cards will wake up and make this a good series. They looked jittery to me tonight and not like The Cards that I had heard about or the ones that I expected. Its only one game and I have been around long enough to know things can change on a dime

No matter what happens I know that I will be saddened when this Series is over and there is no more baseball until spring, This years Red Sox team has been a lot of fun to watch

A near statistical deadheat between two very good teams. One of the enjoyable aspects of this is that the prima donnas of baseball (yea you Pujols, and I'll include Crawford and Gonzalez as well) will be watching from their villas. I dont know much about this years Cards but the Red Sox after the last two disastrous years and who were picked to finish dead last developed a cohesion and chemistry after the terrorist bombing near Fenway Park in April that has lasted all year. To me 'chemistry' has always been the X Factor that wins championships. The Red Sox aren't the team that is loaded with the most talent that I have ever seen but they are all very good ballplayers that play well together. On any given night you have no idea who will be the one to come up big but it could be anyone. There are no real superstars ( well Ortiz--maybe) and no real holes on this roster. The Bearded wonders have made baseball fun again...I'm looking forward to a good series

Have you actually been to this place or is it a dream place? I dont know much about Michigan but I have been to glass geometric structures just about everywhere else.

What was it a pyramid?, a docadehedron? Supermans crystal palace?

Have a pyramid... there are lots of glass pyramids

I dont come here much anymore but I did fine in Massachusetts. My house power went down for a few hours and my shop for 4 days but that was not a big deal.There was no flooding in my neck of the woods.

After a few weeks I have several (non GS) friends scattered in various places around NJ that are still without power.Despite that they seem to be doing better than I would expect, doing what they have to do to adapt and seem to be OK

His other Dad wrote alot of stuff, mostly dictated as he too was very busy

He was pretty busy and died young. When exactly was he supposed to write anything?

If you're on FB, do you engage in political discussion/debate? As far as you know, have you had any friends unfriend you there over your politics? Have you ever gotten so annoyed with someone else's political views that you unfriended them or hid their posts?

On facebook I post whatever is on my mind. Since I enjoy politics a number of my posts are political. Over the last few years there have been a few 'thank yous' for bringing something to someones attention, and there been afew heated debates-- nothing too serious --but mostly just a few checked "likes" and a comment or two. I havent lost or unfriended anyone. I dont know if anyone unfriended me other than one congresswoman from Iowa who didnt seem to like anyone that disagreed with her.

I enjoy the debates and the differences of opinion which gives me something to think about. Personally Id rather get in a political discussion on FB than have to look at all those infernal pictures of terminally cute kittens

After the first day and reading some of the testimony I can barely bring myself to listen to or read anymore, it is %^&*$ absolutely disgusting....It is so completely depraved...

I hope that the victims can find some kind of empowerment by coming forward and that it can somehow strengthen other victims of abuse.

as for Sandusky-I have no mercy-stick him in the prison general population with violent criminals, murderers and gangs and let him get taste of what he doled out before they end him

What struck me as odd was that he'd post his worthless theology degree, like it was supposed to make him more credible??...

Well...

He is dealing with the type of consumers that will accept a "Dr" that uses an electricians tool as a means of diagnosis ...they might not be the most discerning bunch...

At least he still doesnt advertise that Cancer is a devil spirit -- that might not go over--- he has moved on to tooth fillings and resentment being causes---

I only met him once sometime in the late 90's. He spoke a whole lot about devil spirits and the end times and described himself as an 'apostle'.

He seemed like a fairly engaging speaker until I actually listened to him ( ) in which case to me he seemed to get more and more outlandish the more that he spoke. From what I remember everything was a big convoluted conspiracy to which he alone had the secret keys which were hand delivered to him personally by God.

(take my class!)

Each to his own. He was like Wierwille on steroids to me. No thanks

98% of my stuff is gone. I didn't have an event, it just sort of dissipated over the years during cleanouts and moves. I still find a straggler of some sort here and there once in awhile and it goes or stays depending on my mood.

I do have my wow pin for I dont know what reason...just another strange artifact I guess...Right now it is pinned to a Voodoo doll I got in New Orleans

It is Shrove Tuesday, last chance for all pious Christians to indulge in rich foods and base pleasures before bidding Carne vale—farewell to the flesh.

I wont'd be in N'awlins but I'll be cooking up some Jambalaya and cranking some Zydeco and Cajun tunes today.

Happy Mardi Gras!

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Maybe the ash will be of some use...improve the soil quality in the garden

I wouldnt pour that poison in my garden. Personally Id take the ashes and send them back to TWI.

"Here's your poison back"

Until last night I dont think that I ever expected to hear Jimi Hendrix played on a solo cello...or see a classical string quartet devote an entire show to Hendrix and John Coltrane---but I did ...and it was good!

Hendrix' Little Wing--Mark Summer of the Turtle Island Quartet

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My Favorite Things

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Tim OBrien (Mando)and Mark Schatz (Hambone)in one of my favorite Dylan covers

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O heck--while Im at it another Dylan cover from the same Album--Red on Blonde by Tim OBrien..

Maggies Farm

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Facebook Membership is un-Islamic, a Sin

O good, I get banned from yet another religion that I want nothing to do with anyway.

Whether Islamic or Christian it amazes me that it is the so called "Faith" people that are the ones that are afraid of everything.

He currently hosts a nightly television show called, "The Place for Miracles: Your Hour of Healing."

Is that place the drunk tank?

i have run into it a lot in the past.

Im lucky right now in that I have folks that I connect with...that listen....that get it...and that respond appropriately.....on whatever it may be..

It hasnt always been that way...

For me its been a long road to find good Pro's.. If your unsatisfied--my advise is to keep looking until you find the right ones for you.

The Way Tree was....An illusion of leadership.

The Way Corps was...An illusion of leadership.

The Way International is Structured Followship.....do this, do that, sing here, sit there. Everything from

signing the registration card is conditioning one to follow their instructions. Every class, every twig,

every event.....is a series of repetitive motions. By design.

They pawn their services as 'spiritual leadership'......and yet, its cookie-cutter conformity!! The leader

above them parrots instructions that the leader above him parrots, etc. etc. Obeying leadership is the Rubicon

of twi lore.....the alpha and the omega. Everything depends on it. Everything falls apart without it. You

can't question it. You can't analyze it. You must simply accept it.....because it is.

Hence the reason so many fell in a ditch....

Matt 15:14

I remember we got a very special gift at the end of it - a picture of LCM himself in the rainbow tights outfit, javelin held back to throw and impale any seed boys that happened around.

I need to wash my eyes out with soap now...

that juxtaposed against MLK on the Lincoln Memorial steps is just too weird a way to start the day