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No loose change here, just my two cents, WS. When I first got in the ministry (circa 1971) there was a book about how women could be good wives. For the life of me (i.e., "age-related"), I cannot remember the name of it. It was a silly little book about--are you ready for this?--how to build up a man's ego so you can get what you want from him. This book was extremely pushed at fellowship, classes (especially CFS), etc. If anyone remembers the name of it, please put it out there so anyone still interested can read it. I only brought it up to show how far back TWI's mind-set on all this went. And, I don't really care if WD believes me or not

Irish eyes, I think the book you were referring to is "Fascinating Womanhood". It was still being pushed in 1974 when I got in.

Whoa! Good eyes, Tonto!

Well cinderp, Slow Day At Work + Subject of Wine = tonto alert!

Congrats to you and the missus, George!

My all time favorite, though, is A Christmas Story!

Mine too, Belle. First time we saw it was at the inlaw's house during Ho Ho Relo while in the family corps. It was a great movie anyway, but being tv/movie deprived in residence just made seeing it that much better.

You totally rock, Nero!!

Thank you!

I agree! Thanks!

You saw the CF&S video? On Beta?

Yes bnis, I remember that SNL skit...loved it!

Hey, from weddings to funerals, prophetic foretelling to foreskins...you can do it all after one quick "ordination".

Mr. Squirrel, I couldn't help but notice there's white wine, not red in that pic of you. What's up with that?

BNIS, sure it's worth it! Look at this statement from the front page, lower right :

"As a point of passing, thousands of Ministers

have become enormously wealthy performing simple religious ceremonies".

Bris, anyone?

I hit 3,000 with a level of 35. I would never think to use most of these words but I was surprised how many were familiar.

Nero, if you find the pet-feeding link, let us know.

Thanks for the scoop on Rood, DW.

I try to imagine what was going through his and other offshoot leaders' minds when they decided to start their own "ministries". Did they really believe, in their "heart of hearts" that God called them to start these things or are they just afraid of work? IMNSHO, I think it's about easy money.

They took "work smarter, not harder" to mean it's ok to for them to be "smarter" by taking the cash of the "harder" workers. Just what it is about honest work that repulses these guys? If anyone should have to go out and with the sweat of his brow work for a living, it should be them. No tithes or "love offerings", no mulitlevel marketing, no smarmy sales positions, no get rich quick schemes...just honest work.

In my opinion, Craig has a better shot at true repentance than the Roods, Waynes, Earls, Johns, Vinces, Rosies, and the numerous others living off the backs of followers. I believe he's more likely, while standing there on isle 9 of that home improvement store, to have his "oh God what have I done...please forgive me" moment than the others. They're too busy counting the spoils, convincing themselves they deserve it.

Money for nothing (not to mention ego-stroking glory) and the chicks for free...

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I just wanted to say that Dooj's cooking was fantabulous! I was a little concerned about the eggs in the gravy but it was really good (and the turkey was so yummy and that cranberry salad is addictive)!

Thanks again for cooking, dooj...we enjoyed your cullinary skills and your company.

Thank you, Paw. Thank you for providing this lovely, maddening, exhillirating, frustrating, hilarious, thought-provoking place for us to gather.

Warm wishes and a big Thanksgiving hug to you!

ChattyK, you're a dear and I'm looking forward to meeting you next year at the 'Q.

Tommy, I'll see if T-Bone can post your "stadium shot" over the holidays. Lord knows I can't do it. I don't know nuthin' 'bout postin' no pictures.

Sure miss all you bbq buddies, but at least we get to see dooj tonight, so that'll be fun!

When we were out wow in D.C. with him in 75-76 he was a nice guy...he was in D J F**ks' twig. My other half seems to remember that pre-twi Rick had been a seminary student.

His site puts me in the mind of N ed Fla nders from the Sim psons. At first I thought his web page was funny (in a twisted sort of way), then it turned my stomach, and now I just think it's sad.

Geez, I'm so glad I got out of twi and twi got out of me.

Shoot...I just want more of Suda's non-virgin eggnog!

Dooj, can you conjure up some dessert with Twinkies and eggnog?

Chatty, you're coming next year?

Belle, U so funny!

I'm guessing Chatty's "virgin" reference caused the powers that be to somehow associate virgin and herpes. That's just sad.

Strange Tom,

I wonder if ex10 ever found all the beer caps, kibble and s kittl es?

Did anyone ever figure out who left little piles of s kittl es all over the house?

I must have blanked this out. Did they require these medical exams in the 70's and early 80's? Sheesh!

I'd like to see Rosie and Donna and the rest of the "annointed" working the honey wagon for that pot-o-gold.

Actually, I'd pay good money to see that.

Short on cash, HQ? There's your fundraiser. Instead of a dunking booth with Rosie on the seat, I'll bet there's a $hi+-load of extwi and even current twi who would pay cash-money to see some of the chosen ones do some of the nasty work they've farmed out to the "household".

Rocky, it looks like a mess to me because I see a stack of stuff I still need to take care of (it was spread out over the desk until right before T-Bone took a picture of it). The "to-dos" never end around our place. Other people's messes don't bother me, but my stuff drives me nuts.

My Strange Brother Tom, why yes, it does look like a word-over-the-world map, doesn't it? I don't worry about those things these days...none of those things move me. What moves me is "where do we need to go on vacation next"? (We're still trying to make up for all those wasted vacation weeks spent sweating in an Ohio cornfield).

This is where I post when I'm at home. 'scuse the mess...This is our home office.

Watered Garden, I'm sorry I took so long to reply concerning what Bi!! M. did to me during "Christian Communications"...as I believe it was called.

It was a required class in the corps and I think it was a good idea to have a class on public speaking, but public humiliation and cruelty should have no place in Christian training, non-Christian training, dog training, or any kind of training intended to benefit the trainee.

My experience didn't involve physical restraint...but during one of our required speeches, or "incidents", he humiliated me because I came up about 30 seconds short. The incident I spoke about dealt with the death of my mother and because I didn't use all my time, he turned it into a psychoalalysis...how since I didn't make use of my alloted incident time I must have abandoned my mother during her last days. I don't remember the details...I just remember standing on stage crying in front of my 200-plus corps brothers and sisters while this a$$ho!e rewrote my own personal history. It would have been bad enough but you have to understand that I hate being in front of people, much less crying in front of people.

During the couple of weeks or so of the course vp was there (he was at our campus a LOT during our first year (the last year of his life) and he made a point of saying that sometimes he thought Bi!! M. went too far. HA...like he wouldn't and couldn't have done something about it if he thought so! I saw vp tear someone a new one for leaving the wrong kind of mints by the podium. If he wanted to change the way things were being done he easily could have. It was just part of his twisted game.

Oh well. Jesus is keeping score.

You said it, Suda...we are also happy to be home and sad to leave good friends.

It was a joy to be with all of you and "I thank my God upon every remembrance of you" applies here.

Sorry we missed your special day, WB. Hope it was happy!

Hugs from Tonto & T-Bone

Hey there youngster,

Happy, happy belated birthday from Tonto & T-Bone!!

Wish you were at the 'Q! :wub: