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15 years TWI= a lot of time and money

20 years Offshoots= a lot more time and a lot more money.

The rest of your life without them = PRICELESS

Enjoy!

Could I answer youoriginal question, Belle, without getting off topic?

How stupid can I be?

Pretty darn stupid! I was involved with The Way Ministry for 15 years and then offshoots for another, oh 20, so how crazy is that? Pretty darn stupid!

Oy Vei!

Out for 21 years? Wow, congrats! Celebrating my Sweet 16 this summer!

McWierwille's? The letter M is just an upside-down W? So that's where the golden arches came from? I don't think I can drive by the old McD's in town and look at it in the same way ever again. I love it, Waysider. It made my evening!

Also,speaking of innovation by revelation, does anyone remember a line of teaching that suggested that when a creative idea was spoken or put out there by a believer, the devil would get hold of it and use it for his own purposes if you didn't act on it in a timely manner? My memory's a little hazy on this one, being ex-way for 21 yrs now.

*Blue Light Special* *Blue Light Special* *Scratch and Dent Sale* Gift Ministries On Sale In Isle 13!!!

Too bad they don't sell tights at Home Depot.

That picture is much better than the one I remember where he was wearing tights.

Calling Plumbing .................We need a ream job in Isle 13!

I've been out of residence for over 30 years and I still have a recurring nightmare of having to go back in-residence. Always crying, that I just can't do it.

I listened to a couple of minutes of one of the teachings. One Word "BORING". If I had to listen to that day in and day out I would kill myself. Reminds me of when my mother-in-law came to a ROA and went to the tent for older people (whatever that was called)and heard Don Wierwille teach. She said if anyone wants to be put to sleep, they should go hear him teach. It was kind of funny, especially coming from my mother-in-law because she was an insomniac.

My heart goes out to people who lived with that kind of fear. I don't remember experiencing that. My big fear was that I might not get a nap!

I guess I'm not doing a very good job of explaining this Bolski.

It's not the fear that you'll become a grease spot.

It's not the fear that you don't measure up to your fellow believers.

It's a fear that the adversary might attack your mind because you know you're not being "all that you can be".

It's a very personal fear, independent of what others are doing.

And it's woven ever so intricately through all the PFAL series classes.

"It was the fear in the heart of that woman that killed that boy". What an awful, evil thing to say.

I don't know if he ever claimed to heal anyone but he did claim that God spoke to him and told him to marry Donna.

He did mention that wasn't how it worked for most people but he was really busy and didn't have time to date like normal people so God had to tell him who to marry. Wow, he didn't have time to date but he had a lot of time to ..........................................

Didn't he have the gift of Dance?

It's Bruce Mahone, 7th. Corps

Well, I know now, but why didn't the light bulb go off then? My parents told me it was going on.

You mean they weren't really giving him massages???????

I don't really know about god's grace being truly amazing, i'm now an agnostic. i do know that a great friend, who never took the class, brought up jewish, is an agnostic as well, didn't think twice about forgiving me.

Isn't God's grace truly amazing?

WG

During the "fog years" my husband and I were asked to run the state of michigan. We said okay if we didn't have to move to st. john's, michigan, didn't have to give up our small business, I could continue working part/time, we lived in the house we owned. They were desperate for leadership and said okay to that. It really worked out well for us when we were accused of stealing from the mimistry because of all the above reasons and dfac. But back to the original question about witnessing............. hated it (but my husband did go out witnessing and I used every trick in the book not to).

I've made some of those phone calls. I walked away from my best friend of 13 years as if I never knew her. We were so close that when her mother died when we were 16 years old, I slept at her house that night. I walked away from that friendship, but when I called her she never questioned me, just accepted me back. It wasn't until this year, 32 years later, that I actually apologized.

After typing my last post, I realized why. I did know, just refused to believe. In the Corps, a girl in our twig was always going to wierwille's motorcoach to give him massages. She'd come to breakfast in the morning exhausted and said she was called to the coach 2 in the morning. A young WoW told me she was in wierwille's coach and he was walking around in his underwear and it made her uncomfortable. Dotsie was in the "President's apt." at Emporia and he was sleeping in the motorcoach. I always found that a little strange. Okay, so I did know, but refused to believe!

In the mid to late 70's my parents wanted to get me de-programmed; my sister talked them out of it. They couldn't care less about the doctrine of the way. Couldn't care less if Jesus was God, 2,4,6 or 8 were crucified with him or any other doctrine. They knew about vp and other "leaders" having sex with young women in the way. I refused to believe it; said I would know if things like that were going on. My mother said "Where's there's smoke, there's fire". So, my parent's knew about these things in 1975 ish. Why did it take so long to become public knowledge?

Limb Home of Michigan was in St. John's. Small town. Witnessing aside, it is strange that so many limb homes were in small, out of the way areas. Even if it costs more money to be in a larger city, it certainly makes no sense to have the person in charge of a state hours away from most of the people they're supposed to serve.

I have some old notes, probably early 80's. "How to Put a PFAL class together in 2 1/2 days. I won't bore you with all the details but it entailed witnessing all weekend and a Pot Luck and Public Exclamation or P.X. Sunday night. I will share with you the "5 Categories of Candidates". Obviously we were to work with the "strongest leads".

5 Categories of Candidates

1. Sure thing-paid in full

2. Strong possibility Bring all candidates to the point of being labeled #1-#5

3. Interested party

4. Mild Possibility

5. Goat (I love this one, I forgot we used to call people "Goats")

If class doesn't come together do a follow-up meeting 1 week later. (oh no, not another meeting).

*You must have a close-out crew, twig leaders who you train to do the close.*

1. Each in the close-out crew has 2 or 3 green cards.

2. How would you like to pay for the class materials, cash or check? If the person say no, no, no, no, no, - One no might not really mean No.

3. If NO is for real- go to close #2 and say, "Sir, I dfon't think you should take this class. I think you should go to twig and check it out further."

Public X. Close- II Peter 1:1-4

John 15: 7-10

Vision--

Genesis 13: 8-11 Lot lifted up his eyes and chose his vision and made his decision based on the flesh.

Genesis 13: 14-16 Abram's vision and decision was based on revelation from God

John 4:31-36 Lift up your eyes.

There you have it! Get busy!

Sounds exhausting and not in a good way.

Is that where it was when Wayne Merrill was limb coordinator? If so, I've been there many times.

You've got a point there, TC.

The Way of Ohio Limb Home was in Rathbone, Ohio.

Now there's a booming metropolis if I've ever seen one. <_<

The Corps hated witnessing as much as everyone else. The higher up in leadership the less witnessing you did. Why do you think most of the Limb Homes were in small obscure little towns? In the 70's the Limb Home of New York was in Marathon, N.Y. Ever hear of it? Probably not, it was in the snow belt of upstate N.Y. Why wasn't it in NYC or some other large NY city? Because.............. The Corps hated witnessing as much as everyone else.

He had a gift ministry............. the "gift of gab". The man refused to shut up! Years ago he would come to Cincinnati to buy suits. He invited me, my husband, I believe one other believer and his driver to eat lunch at "Friday's" or some similar restaurant. He talked the whole damn time. It was actually a teaching/lecture because there wasn't any conversation, it was just him yada, yada, yadaing, the whole time we were there.

Thanks for the links. I'll check them out.

How fast can you run :o in the other direction?

I took the Christian Family and Sex class in 1975 or 76; vp was teaching the class on video tape. I'm trying to remember what was taught concerning "Original Sin" and "abortion". I seem to remember that he said he believed the original sin was Adam masturbating (or maybe it was Eve) after they were together. They should have gone to each other if they wanted sex. vp said it was okay to masturbate if you were by yourself but once you had a spouse your spouse was to meet your need. hmmmmm!!!

Concerning abortion, he said that life began when a baby took it's first breath not at conception.

Of course he had his array of scripture to back up everything he said.

I don't know if over the years any of those beliefs changed, or if I even remember it correctly.

I didn't take notes, ha,ha, and if I did, I would have thrown them away a long time ago.

Anyone remember? :wacko: