James Trimm

The reports of my departure have been greatly exaggerated.

Perhaps, James, it is because you lie and manipulate? It isn't your doctrine that is in question, it is your integrity. If you lack integrity in promoting your work, odds are you lacked integrity when you were doing your work. Thus, odds are very, very good that your work is flawed.

Simimlarly, if you lack integrity your doctrine is also flawed. And because they are both dealing with religion they are to some extent intertwined.

So then failing to have a good argument against my research claims, you question my integrity?

This is a common logic error called "Argumentum ad Hominem"

In this error a proposition is rejected not because of its validity or soundness, but because of the reputation of the one making the proposition.

So even if your attacks on my reputation were right (and they are not) your logic is in error because this has no bearing in the validity or soundness of my propositions.

And I didn't ask about your doctrine, I asked WHY YOU DIDN'T GET A JOB! At least put some effort into trying to get a job!!

Or do you class yourself as self-employed? Self-employed cult leader?

Most already know that I stay home to take care of my disabled wife who cannot left at home alone for long.

I dunno. I would say you are dealing with a skeptical crowd, myself included, here at GSC. You have to shoot straight from the hip and have an indisputable track record. If reasonable doubt can be raised from a few searches credibility is pretty much lost. It can be regained but it puts the burden of proof on you to answer a lot of people shooting a lot of questions.

There you go.... when people read stuff on the internet, why do I end up with any burden of proof to prove myself innocent? What is that all about... and must I spend much of my time for the rest of my life defending myself to every new person I run into?

Oh, don't be too shocked, Twinky. Afterall, it isn't any different from what VPW claimed when he said he was going to teach us The Word like it hadn't been taught since the first century. I'm sure somewhere out there are a bunch of very gullible and somewhat misdirected teenagers who will swallow James' b.s. too. Although, VPW did have an advantage in that the internet didn't yet exist when he started his little cult. James is going to have a difficult time overcoming that part. Especially given the ever growing wealth of information out there exposing his con.

My bad. That's right you started your first cult in 1996, got kicked out and then started this one in 2007. Hard to keep up with all the cons you've pulled James.

No this is the same "cult" I started in 1996 :-)....

But seriously I have tried to keep two things separate:

1. My academic research on Hebrew and Aramaic NT Origins

2. My religious doctrine of Nazarene Judaism

Why is it that when I try to discuss the first, people try to discredit me because of the second.... isn't that being a religious bigot ?

James, I can see you say Nasi means President.

I'm simply astonished that you give names and dates (as you say) from 30CE to 132CE numbered 1 to 15 then leap jauntily from that to yourself as 16th president in 1996.

So this council lasts for a mere 100 years, for whatever reason does not continue, and then 1864 years later, 18.5 times the duration of the original council, it manages to reconvene itself and you magically appoint yourself as the next president?

I note you picked up on that, but didn't asnwer this:

I don't want to get into my doctrine here but it is covered in detail in my free PDF book The Apostasy and Restoration at

http://www.lulu.com/nazarene

Also, I think the date is interesting. 1996 was when he and his buddies "reorganized" the Beit Din. That just so happens to be the same year the previous Beit Din he built got sick of him and disfellowshipped him.

See James, I can do research too. :D

Again not true. Although the event you describe never happened, I assume you refer to the claims of a failed splinter group and refers to events that took place in 2007. They split off and claimed to have disfellowshipped me after their having been removed from office a few days earlier.

I get it. James, I have often wondered why you would bother with an ex-way international website. You are looking for ex-researchers to come work on things like Gmira? That would make sense to me at this point.

Well in the wake of my suit, yes that is something I might accomplish here. And even if I do not inspire these people to co-ordinate with me, if I inspire them to renew their work on Aramaic NT Origins then I have succeeded.

BTW if ex-TWI Research Team members started working on the ACADEMIC problem of Aramaic NT Origins OUTSIDE of TWI especially if they were acting as a "Team" formally or informally... don't you think that would be a stick in the eye of TWI?

I would like to see more work in this area even if I am not involved.

The bit about “Nasim” seems just a little over the top:

(my emphasis)

http://nazarenespace.ning.com/group/virtualchamberofhewnstone

NASI is simply "President" the point is that I am the president of the International Nazarene Beit Din which governs the Worldwide Nazarene Assembly of Elohim since we reorganized the Beit Din in 1996 as a successor to the one of which Ya'akov HaTzadim (James the Just) was the first president.

This is a matter of our beliefs, and outside the academic realm.

In this thread, along with James Trimm's thread about his thoughts on VPW, one can get some interesting insights into the mind of a cult leader (or at least a wannabe cult leader). You can see the lies and manipulation, as well as the self-justification and rationalization. James says below:

In the first paragraph, he is responding to my statement that HIS website promoting his G'MIRA journal has a place where he is begging for money. He responds by claiming that the website is "directed" by him but is for religious purposes. More lies, manipulation, justification and rationalization. Here is the information I found on the editorial board for his "academic journal" CLICK HERE

Here is a link to the same website, where it lists who is in charge CLICK HERE

Notice the website is run by James and two of his buddies.

Also notice that although he promotes this academic journal as one that is peer reviewed, he has also admitted that he doesn't actually have any "peers" reviewing it. In other words, he lied. He promoted something as peer reviewed that has never actually been peer reviewed. Once again, James answering to no one but James, despite his claims to the contrary.

And you are correct James, I have no criticized the content. I haven't read the content. I have no interest in reading the content. The way I see it, if you had something genuine to offer, you wouldn't have to lie and manipulate to promote it.

I am clearly the editor and there is no deception there. I have already said, if you do not want to read the Journal, than do not read it.

I have intentionally sought out some of the most serious scholars who were once part of TWI's research team, and sent them PDF copies of my book The Hebrew and Aramaic Origin of the New Testament, as well as the Issue of G'MIRA seeking their feedback (and perhaps even future participation in the Journal).

So far none of these persons have criticized the content (or even me personally) Certainly none of them has emailed back anything remotely suggesting that I have no idea what I am talking about.

James, if you'd said this is a new start-up, you'd have got a better response. But you present it as though it's up and running, a serious magazine or what have you, something established.

If you'd said, "I want to start this, do you have any articles you think would be of interest? And I will properly accredit them" - you'd probably have found a much more receptive bunch of people.

If you've read much in these forums, you'll be aware that there are a lot of people here who maintain serious study of the Bible, who think deeply about what they read, who formulate a hypothesis or understanding of a word(s) or concept(s) and who offer that for genuine peer review by sharing it in these boards. Even those who may not wish to formulate a hypothesis can offer a comment or two that can genuinely give new insight.

Please be honest.

I believe the first line said:

If you enjoyed the old GMIR section you may enjoy the new Journal G'MIRA

"and obviously those websites also solicit tithes and offerings."

Geez and I almost missed this. You snuck that in, right in the middle of those two pieces of honesty. James, don't pretend like that website isn't yours, like you aren't the one asking for tithes and offerings and donations. We all know better. That is dishonst and manipulative.

I did no such thing. They are directed by me, but they are for religious purposes.

As for "peer review" his Journal is less than a week old. I hope to expand the peer review process, perhaps before the next issue. But you must start building a house with one brick, when that first brick is ;aid everyone could stand around and jest saying "you can't have a house with just one brick". Geezzz.. give me a chance to build something before you start trying to tear it down.

I noticed a lot of criticism... but no criticism for the actual content....

That tells me a lot, and it speaks volumes.

Obviously I announced the launch of G'MIRA as widely as possible, including the Assembly websites, and obviously those websites also solicit tithes and offerings.

None-the-less GMIRA is itself a non-sectarian academic journal. What makes it academic? The scope and nature of the topic.

As for the peer review board... right now, since I am launching the journal; it is just me, but I hope to expand it in the future.

I am very interested in receiving the old GMIRA articles and remain so.

G'MIRA is free and non-Sectarian... if you don't want to read G'MIRA then don't read it...

I am not out anything if you don't and I do not gain anything of you do. It is simply an academic journal.

I did ask anyone with old GMIR sections to either mail me photocopies, or email scans to cleartruth@yahoo.com

James Trimm

PO BOx 471

Hurst, TX 76053

Yawwwwwwwn. It does seem to be that way, eh? I agree totally, Twinky.

Post 1 asked if anyone had the old GMIR articles.

Post 2 (mine) mentioned all the ones I have here at the house.

To my knowledge, it's a pretty complete collection and it makes for some good reading.

Did I get a request from Trimm (personally) for copies of "that which he sought"?

Not so's you'd notice. He's been singularly silent about the subject, even after I posted my list.

I guess he isn't that interested in them after all. Or - - he doesn't know how to use the PM function here.

Either way - - after reading post number 5 - - -

I'm of the opinion that he's (imo) more interested in using them for his own purposes.

Not sure if the original articles were wanted to support his own ideas/ or to be studied "as is".

Right now I'm a "mite suspicious" for the reason for the original request.

The original GMIR articles hold some valid research, done by accredited folks.

If you see any of the titles I listed in "G'MIRA", they won't have come from me.

Who'd a thunk it? Now there's an (apparent) offshoot of GMIR.

I am very interested in receiving the old GMIR articles and remain so.

G'MIRA is free and non-Sectarian... if you don't want to read G'MIRA then don't read it...

I am not out anything if you don't and I do not gain anything of you do. It is simply an academic journal.

If you enjoyed the old GMIR section you may enjoy the new Journal G'MIRA

G'MIRA: A Journal of Semitic New Testament Studies

G'MIRA: is a non-sectarian electronic journal dedicated to the study of the Semitic origin of the New Testament. Articles may cover any of the any aspect of Semitic New Testament origins of all or parts of the NT including Hebrew or Aramaic NT Textual Criticism and Hebrew or Aramaic NT Source Criticism. G'MIRA will publish academic scholarly articles (full-length articles or shorter notes are both welcome), project reports, and book reviews in a web based electronic journal. G'MIRA will be published quarterly on the Web in .pdf format.

http://www.lulu.com/items/volume_68/8959000/8959636/1/print/GMIRA_2.pdf

Gmira-list is a non-sectarian e-mail discussion group devoted to the academic field of Hebrew and Aramaic New Testament studies. The list is associated with the electronic journal.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Gmira-list

G’mira—An Aramaic word meaning “perfect, full-grown, mature”

Submissions to G'MIRA

All submissions of articles and project reports, as well as general inquiries, should be sent to the General Editor in electronic form (Word format). Submissions may be sent directly to the General Editor or they may be mailed on CD rom to the following address:

James S. Trimm

G'MIRA

P.O. Box 471

Hurst, TX 76053

USA

Paper copies of articles may also be submitted, providing that they accompany an electronic copy of the same article.

Or emailed as an attached file to cleartruth@yahoo.com with the Subject G'MIRA SUBMISSION.

The following fonts should be used:

For English and Latin use the Times New Roman font

For Hebrew use the SPTiberian font

For Syriac use the SPEdessa font

For Greek use the SPIonic font

All submissions are subject to a peer-review process by the G'MIRA Editorial Board.

First issue of G'MIRA: A Journal of Semitic New Testament Studies

G'MIRA: is a non-sectarian electronic journal dedicated to the study of the Semitic origin of the New Testament. Articles may cover any of the any aspect of Semitic New Testament origins of all or parts of the NT including Hebrew or Aramaic NT Textual Criticism and Hebrew or Aramaic NT Source Criticism. G'MIRA will publish academic scholarly articles (full-length articles or shorter notes are both welcome), project reports, and book reviews in a web based electronic journal. G'MIRA will be published quarterly on the Web in .pdf format.

http://www.lulu.com/items/volume_68/8959000/8959636/1/print/GMIRA_2.pdf

Gmira-list is a non-sectarian e-mail discussion group devoted to the academic field of Hebrew and Aramaic New Testament studies. The list is associated with the electronic journal.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Gmira-list

G’mira—An Aramaic word meaning “perfect, full-grown, mature”

Submissions to G'MIRA

All submissions of articles and project reports, as well as general inquiries, should be sent to the General Editor in electronic form (Word format). Submissions may be sent directly to the General Editor or they may be mailed on CD rom to the following address:

James S. Trimm

G'MIRA

P.O. Box 471

Hurst, TX 76053

USA

Paper copies of articles may also be submitted, providing that they accompany an electronic copy of the same article.

Or emailed as an attached file to cleartruth@yahoo.com with the Subject G'MIRA SUBMISSION.

The following fonts should be used:

For English and Latin use the Times New Roman font

For Hebrew use the SPTiberian font

For Syriac use the SPEdessa font

For Greek use the SPIonic font

All submissions are subject to a peer-review process by the G'MIRA Editorial Board.

Are we sure he was sued by TWI? I've seen no evidence of that, have you?

http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuit.asp?id=47904

Are we sure he was sued by TWI? I've seen no evidence of that, have you?

http://www.religionnewsblog.com/23574/hebraic-roots-version

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Obviously the song inspired the wording of my question.

A lot of people ordered his HRV and never got it. He asked them for a donation in advance. They gave and no HRV was delivered. It was a donation.

Of course now, that the TWI suit is cleared, you think he'd rush those copies right out to them all. I aim to get in contact with many who "Gave".

Did James Trimm Defraud People and Steal Thousands of Dollars? - Another internet rumor is that James Trimm stole thousands of dollars and never delivered Hebraic Roots Version Bibles to people that bought them. This is false. When we first published the HRV “New Testament” in 2001 it was a successful effort, but when we printed the whole Bible in 2004 the effort was plagued with problems. The printer used a subcontracter in India who delivered fewer copies than promised, six months late and with a thirty to fifty percent defective rate. We simply did not have enough copies to meet all of our obligations. We had promised copies to everyone who had donated a minimum suggested donation amount. These were not sales, these were to be appreciation gifts to our supporters who had donated to support the printing. Sadly we were unable to meet this obligation. We apologized to the community and asked for their forgiveness. In 2005 I.S.R. took over publication of the HRV. At that time we made an arrangement to offer free copies of the ISR edition to those who had not gotten their appreciation gift HRV, this program was paid for out of my royalties on the first printing. Some few have since complained that they still never got a copy, the vast majority of these people are persons who refused the ISR edition when it was offered. We did everything in our power to resolve this situation, but could only do so much.

See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_of_Faith

They were influenced by the Pentecostal "Name its Claim it" and "Seed Faith" teachings. This so-called "Word of Faith" movement is still common in many Charismatic and Pentecostal churches today.

.....I know how to end this.....YOUR"E RIGHT!

Well I knew THAT :) :) :)

Well some have asked me to stay and others have asked me to leave.

What does the majority actually want?

Nice try. I never said I had not read it. James, I find it interesting you decided to zero in on me in an attempt to get a flame war going to distract from folks like Gen-2 who are pulling up your dirty little secrets. Again, nice try.

Sorry if I misinterpreted, but it seems like a reasonable interpretation of your phrase:

"Oh no....more long, re-posted gibberish. Defacto defensive answer. Copied from the "defend against people who uncover the real me" file. Move along, nothing more to see here."

The implication of "long... answer... move along, nothing more to see here."

Seems to imply that if the answer is long it is not worth looking at and must therefore be wrong.