Celtic Believer

Dear Robert, The *only* book that I know of that really approaches this subject is: http://www.amazon.com/Christian-Palestinian-Aramaic-Testament-Version/dp/9056930184/ref=sr_1_25?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1278506845&sr=1-25 And a $150.00 is out of my budget right now. I've read that the Eastern Syriac dialect is somewhat like Galilean/Palestinian Aramaic, but since neither of these Aramaic dialects now exist, except as scholarly concepts/ideas, we may never know. I'd be interested to hear some more of your ideas, I've gotta think some more about Paul being the translator from Aramaic to Greek, but since his Epistles were the earliest Messianic/Christian documents that we have, I suppose that this makes sense. Give me some more time to think on this.......OK? Would you be willing to discuss Aramaic (New Testament ideas) with me some more? I'd really like that a lot. Thanks for considering this Robert. Please let me know. Blessings of Messiah this day! Albion

Come on James, you've lurked for YEARS over at www.peshi**a.org, and the Nazarene Fraud Forums at Yahoo as well, why don't you *finally* come out in the OPEN and actually REPLY to these charges?? I double dog dare you! ;-) Albion Guppy

Dear Thomas, Rocco A. Errico is WORSE then Lamsa ever was. Perhaps he's a bit brighter, but this is like throwing gasoline on the fire. Everyone gets burned. Errico is in it for the all mighty dollar, like 98% of the other modern Aramaic Primacy movement people. If it's possible, Errico is even more 'New Age' then Lamsa was, and he does NOT believe that there is a devil. I rest my case. Peace, Albion

Greetings in Messiah, This is a long time ago now. But Mel Gibson's Jesuit Professor friend "reinvented" a First Century Aramaic, and then 'filled in the blank spaces' with Hebrew. If you know even a little Syriac, and Hebrew, you can actually HEAR (not read on screen) where the language changes from his "invented Aramaic", to Hebrew. Funny......why did Mel Gibson not go to one of the many Churches of the East, and actually hire someone who spoke Eastern Syriac (Assyrian) to help him with the dialogue of this movie?? I've wondered this many, many times. But now you know a little more about the making of 'The Passion of The Christ', which I personally felt was a great movie anyway! Peace, Albion

Dear Robert, I too am interested in the underlying strata of Aramaic in New Testament Studies. I just want to see it done in an honest way, as free of involving money, as possible. If you have any New Testament insights from an Aramaic/Hebraic direction, I'd love to hear what you have to say. I know a lot of (the former) The Way folks are leery of this (Aramaic strata) because of Wierwille and Lamsa's craziness, but because two (make that THREE if you count Trimm!) crazy people get involved in an important area of research, does not invalidate the importance of Aramaic insights into NT research! I'd love to hear what you, or any other former Way member, has to say about these areas. Thanks for your input. Peace, Albion

Good Evening (or Good Morning, as the case may be), First, THIS is the post that brought "rabbi" Trimm here: Re: The Way International - Aramaic Interlinear Postby SyriacQuestioner » Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:58 pm Dear Assur, You might like to know that four of the translators were Gertrude Paulson, Charlene Edge, Joe Wise, and Bernita Jess, who was a longtime student of George Lamsa. There also was a fifth translator named Bruce Mahone, who helped to finish this translation. There is quite a bit of Lamsa's scholarship behind this New Testament. You can plainly see this, with Yeshua's cry from the cross "God, God, for what purpose have you spared me?" I too think that this is a very keen and sharp translation. One can still buy the three volume Way International translation with a concordance and dictionary from: http://www.theway.org/bookstore.php?pag ... re&lang=en It costs about $115.00, not counting shipping costs. It might also be a wise thing to read this: http://www.greasespotcafe.com/main2/edi ... inity.html It gives a rather unhappy story as to how The Way Aramaic-English Interlinear New Testament came to be, I'm sorry to say. Finally Assur, if I had known the behind the scenes story that the above URL gives, I've gotta say that I'm not sure if I would buy this translation again, if I had to do it today. And according to their own Aramaic-English Pesh**a New Testament Concordance, Matthew 27:46, should read something like; "God, God, why did you leave me" or "God, God, why have you left me?" So, was this improper 'translation' done to appease Wierwille? It seems so! Shlama, Syriac Questioner SyriacQuestioner Posts: 19 Joined: Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:18 pm * E-mail SyriacQuestioner This was at Peshi**a.org where James Trimm lurks, but does not have the courage to post. Let me just say what the Owner/Moderator of Pesh***a.org says about our boy James Trimm: "I met James Trimm face to face, and he cannot carry on a conversation in Syriac for even three minutes, if he cannot even SPEAK Syriac, HOW can he translate it?" Paul Younan is a native Assyrian, and speaks Syriac as his native tongue. James Trimm is a fraud, I'm only sorry that he was not convicted of plagiarism, which he IS guilty of. One can lay Trimm's "HRV" New Testament next to The Way International's Aramaic/English Interlinear, and only the names and places were Hebraicized by Trimm, everything else, is exactly the same, line by line. And I tried to help get him convicted, but my best efforts were not enough. I have NO connection to The Way International with the exception that I sold them my copy of James Trimm's HRV New Testament. But this is/was only to help the Messianic/Syriac/Aramaic Primacy community, NOT The Way International. Check out THIS e-group: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nazarene_fraud_victims/ It tells the whole sordid story of "the Rabbi" and his fraud and plagiarism schemes. It took me about a month of trying to join this list, or I would have chimed in much earlier about James Trimm. Who by the way, is of Scottish descent, and is NOT Jewish. This man and his associates, like Andrew Gabriel Roth, are a plague on the modern Messianic movement. If I can sign in again tomorrow, I'll try to post some more about James Trimm's fictional world, but I've got a socio-pathic hacker after me, and my internet accounts are subject to his madness. Believe NOTHING that James Trimm says or tells you, he is in this for the almighty dollar, and to line James Trimm's pocketbook, and nothing else. It's about 12:30 AM, or I'd write more now. Thanks for hearing me out. Truth against the world, Albion Guppy