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quote:Originally posted by oldiesman:
Those of you who believe twi was evil from the start, thru and thru:
then those who were booted out got a good deal, didn't they?
they were removed from the evil.
So what are you continuously complaining about?
Rejoice they were released from Satan
twi released them from twi bondage...
BULL!
They were "released" and "booted out" in an atmoshere of incredible fear and condemation.
Separated from friends and family, embarassed, and hurt.
Thank God for the continuous complainers at GSC who have spoken out. The light has been turned on.
Oldiesman you are just sore because your idol VPW has had his SCAM exposed.
We Were Scammed.
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Originally posted by Belle:
My ex told a story of a girl getting screamed at till she cried for putting more than the requested 3 ice cubes in his drink.
BTW, Moneyhands had a list just about as long. When it looked like they might be coming to our phone hook-up I took several pages of notes on what to do and not to do so that our local MOG was blessed.
--> BTW, he likes Diet Coke - Not a lot of ice - NEVER let the glass get empty - it has to be a real glass, he doesn't like the plastic, styrofoam or paper cups - Never let him get cornered by one person for very long and -
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Originally posted by Catcup:
This list was at least THREE PAGES LONG. What to do, what not to do, what to have on hand, what he likes to eat for breakfast, lunch, and dinner... by the way, one of the most interesting things I learned, was that he liked a can of 7-Up every day, for....
Breakfast
Originally posted by outandabout:
Another time we had to make Christmas cards for him. I stayed up all night to finish one from our branch (since the only "free" time was sleep time) and I got chewed out for borrowing Divine Design supplies to make it.
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These people [TWI] are delusional and spiritually dysfunctional.
They don't get it. (It ain't about them-never was.)
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quote:Originally posted by vickles:
Doesn't even make sense at all, except that the higher beings were jealous maybe?
:(--> Nothing TWI does makes sense and the higher beings are stupid.
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I thought it was a rather mild salutation and statement of truth.
I heartily agree with GH.
I saw plenty of "rude" while in TWI.
We Were Scammed.
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quote:One day Robby came up to me in-res and showed me this ivory giraffe and elephant very excitedly and said to me "I got these off those guys (Andre and Roger) for $200 and they are worth thousands, THOUSANDS! and I only paid $200 bucks for them"
I went to Andre and Roger and told them Robert took them on that deal. Andre said to me "Frank, we bought them at Pier one imports for twenty dollars!"
Classic Christian behavoir. Defrauding a brother in Christ...Way Corps no less.
Makes the "Great Beeg Peeg" story so much more credible.
Wewerla Scammedala!
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quote:Originally posted by satori001:
I remember the "flip out" phrase. /QUOTE]Originally posted by Jim:Anyone remember the term "flipped out grad"? Maybe it was just a Northern California term, but it predated "copouts".
Don't forget "Tripped Out"
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quote:Originally posted by mstar1:
These people are no more genuine 'ministers of god' than I am a flying monkey. It is sort of a joke to me now, looking back at my youthful foolishness, that I ever took any of these people seriously, but looking back on it the pain and anguish they ministered actually far outweighed any 'blessings'.
Its a twisted mess, and I for one am glad Im out of that hellhole and that the hellhole is out of me...after being subjected to it-it takes awhile to unravel it
Brilliant.
I nominate this by mstar as POST OF THE DAY.
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SECOND-RATE[/b] b : lacking refinement : COARSE.
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I don't know about ordained women, but add 'WORTHLESS' to the list above and you have a perfect definition of Wierwille.
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quote:Originally posted by HCW:
And he felt, "Hmmm.... I can get away with this."
Now why would a guy who worked the Word "hour after hour, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year", a guy to whom God spoke audibly, a guy who had a miraculous snowstorm performed by the creator of the heavens and the earth, a guy who was apparently the only man on the planet that would listen to God...
why would this guy want to "get away " with something?
Wasn't God's grace sufficient?
I think he SCAMMED even himself.
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quote:Originally posted by GeorgeStGeorge:
...It begs the question, Who actually has the copyright for PFAL?
Actually, it begs the question, Who Cares?
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quote:Originally posted by Belle:
...But, I have a film of two beautiful ladies
endeavoring to have intercourse with a German short-hair dog - eh, not a
German - German shepherd, dog.
There's that German thing again.
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quote:Originally posted by excathedra:
. . .I think you have rule by fear."
Yeah, he feared we would learn that he was a SCAM.
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quote:Originally posted by Too Gray Now:
We Were S.
Yup. He probably did know how to SCAM.
But what is the twin side of the same coin... ??
Heads ------ you SCAM
Tails ----- you are totally TRUE?
This is why I look for truth damn near anywhere...
The motive of the user does not negate the entire message.
Have you seen Star Wars Revenge of the Sith(sp?)
If the Dark side is strong, it is for a reason. Perverted good is a powerful tool.
To condemn a tool for the sake of a user...
Well... I did that, too. But there is much to be learned from tools used rightly. They are like... like... mower blades.
Unless, of course you saw the movie - "Swing Blade".
;)--> TGN,
Thanks for the exhortation...i'm not sure what you are talking about, but you seem to be waxing nostalgic about VP or something.
Just so you'll know, I've never claimed to be "totally true".
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quote:Originally posted by Too Gray Now:
Jimmy Doop understood the Jesus movement better than VP. Maltz understood “positive confession†better than VPW.
VP understood how to SCAM better than Doop or Maltz.
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quote:Originally posted by Belle:
I think vee pee saw what "profession" he could get the most power, money, control and ego stroking from with the least amount of work and set about making that his business.
That's it!
IMO, everything ever discussed on GSC is rooted in that statement. (Well in the About the Way section anyway)
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quote:Originally posted by satori001:
I didn't "lose" my youth either. The energy we have at that age can build the foundation for a life's work. It's nothing to work 80 - 120 hours a week if you have to. Now, an 80-hour week is not so easy. I can't complain, but I have friends who are now executive VP's, esteemed doctors, the owners of growing businesses... I'm still living by my wits while many contemporaries (and "equals" I think) are living off their equity.
If it hadn't been Wierwille, perhaps it would have been someone else. I don't know. The appeal of TWI was its unique ("Christian") credibility. I gave them the benefit of the doubt on that account. Regrettably.
satori,
Beautifully stated! I've often had those same thoughts.
I think the deal with Wierwille is that he was one of those people that just was never going to work for someone else. Add to that his obvious desire to be esteemed. Didn't matter if he was the MOG for the whole world or CEO of some company...he wasn't going to take orders from anyone else. He had to be the big cheese. I believe he saw "ministry" as a way to achieve both goals. In his youth, the ministers were most likely held in great esteem, you know in that "German work ethic" culture of his. By going into the ministry he would be more educated than the local farming folks he grew up with, he could avoid the hard life than farming requires, he could avoid military service ( so he could "work the Word" [snort, chuckle], and he would have the esteem of his local community. Once he began working for a denomination, it was only a matter of time before he broke away to form his own group. Of course, God would have to supernaturally intervene and give him a personal invitation, or so he wanted us to believe.
Was his 'spirituality" genuine during all of this. I think not. It was a means to an end. His lifestyle gives abundant evidence of this.
I don't know if he ever envisioned a day where there would be 15,000 GEA's [glassy eyed adherents] sitting under a big tent on his ancestral farm land. Most likely his aim was just to get a local following,(maybe more than local), deliver his shrink wrapped, plagerized Bible classes, and collect the cash. Big fish, small pond. But he would be giving the orders. Somehow in the process, which includes the culture of the mid to late sixties and early seventies, he was able to capitalize on a bunch of gullible young people. Thus, what we know as TWI. When those braless hippie girls started showing up on a farm in Ohio, he became intoxicated with himself. The SCAM had taken root.
"Losing our youth" is a term that I have heard on GSC several times over the past couple of years. I too have felt that I lost, or at least, wasted much of my youth due to TWI.
Today, however, I don't blame Wierscam or TWI for ruining my youth. I take responisbility for that. I do blame them for not being what they said they were. I take responsibility for my decisions, but I did not live in a vaccuum.
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quote:Originally posted by Raf:
Can we, uhh, um,...
Can we shoot for a PG rating in here? Children do read.
Yeah, for a moment there I thought Rev. LCM had posted.
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quote:Originally posted by Raf:
I will not judge the man.
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But I will not judge the man.
You CAN'T judge the man because he wasn't a man. Behind the smoke and mirrors, facade of sincerity, plagerised teachings, and on and on... the "man" behind the curtain was nothing more than a worthless SCAM.
We, who were dumb enough to fall for it all, must learn to not judge ourselves for taking part in the delusion known as VPW & TWI with all its foolishness (ie MOG, snow on gas pumps, Pikes Peak, WOW,VP's "German work ethic" , spitirual adultery vs physical adultery, the "Corps", CF&S, "the world's greatest layman", "second rate causes".)
You don't have to judge the man - his legacy says it all.
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Just because he was a deceiving, cheating, lying, plagerising, egomaniac, delusional, pompous, idiotic, worthless bag of .... . . . that doesn't make him a nazi.
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Actually, they didn't really want our adulation; they [it was hard for them, but somebody had to do it] were just giving us a chance to give so that God could bless us.
We were fortunate to serve The Chosen Ones
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quote:Originally posted by Thomas Heller:
1-Way wack!
We were all wack when we were in TWI
2-...- that the spiritual fight was among the ruling gift ministries in the body.
I can say amen to that; so what is the point of having them? They seem to be working for the adversary in this context. Why would God give them as 'gifts' to the body?
That's where TWI lost it.
TWI didn't lose it - - - they never had it. Dr. Drambuie was a scam.
Seems like with his zealous hunger for truth, unparalled love for God, and intense German work ethic, Dr. Wierscam could have handled some of these problems, but I guess he was too busy showing porn flicks at pajama parties. Biblical research my a**.
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quote:Originally posted by WordWolf:
those people who sat thru "Athletes of the Spirit" saw-was it 7?-
There was an 8th category that was left out. . .
Scamming and plageristic
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quote:Originally posted by Mike:
True understanding only will come for those grads who return to PFAL and see what they missed.
How did we miss anything since it "separated truth from error".
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OH! So that's what happened.
Now I understand.
God bless - You're the best!
The gun held to our head
in About The Way
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"all other decisions were made by free will choice"
- - - FREE WILL CHOICE BASED ON FALSE INFORMATION [ie We Were Scammed]
"I think these are all gobbledygook rationalizations."
- - - DUH!! Of course you do.