year2027

Hi All

How could one know money is Counterfeit unless one look at it

How could we know there was Counterfeit love in the Way unless we look at it

How could we know Counterfeit books unless we look at them

Everthing has a Counterfeit and a real but to know if something is real one must look at it

A easy one is love for we have all enjoy true love and we have been sad by its Counterfeit hate

The Way may of been a rightest Church once but it turn and became a Counterfeit one

There were the teaching on how bad and dead others Churches were

We would even told to kick one's that out of lack of truth fall down for God but it might of been better to help them up from the floor

Now I should add just because you look at a Counterfeit to see boths views there are some that just reading about them is enough

And some we do not have to read about to know they are Counterfeits

What do you think

[This message was edited by year2027 on February 15, 2004 at 2:58.]

Hi David Miller

I will look at the sites I have bookmark them for now

I did not know that Messianic Jewish read the book of Enoch but I would say to them watch that book because the devil has fill it with lies

One of the things the book teaches that I do not like is that angels had halp angel and halp man kids I believe this is a lie because an angel is one kind and a man is another kind

Or everthing or animal after there kind but in that book was some good but alot more bad things

And there are about three versions of Enoch

Now about the pre-existance of Christ I do not understand where they get that because how can one be on earth before he is born on earth

but I am a searcher and I look into all things but for now I believe them to be wrong about pre-existance of Christ before his birth

But that is me and I change by understand only after must pray and one on one talks with God

Hi All

more of the book

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Chapter 32

We Are Justified Not By Our Own Works, But By Faith

Whosoever will candidly consider each particular, will

recognise the greatness of the gifts which were given by him.

For from him have sprung the priests and all the Levites

who minister at the altar of God.

From him also [was descended] our Lord Jesus Christ according

to the flesh.

From him [arose] kings, princes, and rulers of the race of Judah.

Nor are his other tribes in small glory, inasmuch as God had promised,

"Thy seed shall be as the stars of heaven."

All these, therefore, werehighly honoured, and made great,

not for their own sake, or for their own works,

or for the righteousness which they wrought,

but through the operation of His will.

And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus,

are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom,

or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have

wrought in holiness of heart;

but by that faith through which, from the beginning,

Almighty God has justified all men; to whom be glory

for ever and ever. Amen

Chapter 39

There Is No Reason For Self-Conceit

Foolish and inconsiderate men, who have neither wisdom nor

instruction, mock and deride us, being eager to exalt

themselves in their own conceits.

For what can a mortal man do?

or what strength is there in one made out of the dust?

For it is written, "There was no shape before mine eyes,

only I heard a sound, and a voice [saying], What then?

Shall a man be pure before the Lord?

or shall such an one be [counted] blameless in his deeds,

seeing He does not confide in His servants,

and has charged even His angels with perversity?

The heaven is not clean in His sight:

how much less they that dwell in houses of clay,

of which also we ourselves were made!

He smote them as a moth; and from morning even until

evening they endure not.

Because they could furnish no assistance to themselves,

they perished.

He breathed upon them, and they died, because they had no wisdom.

But call now, if any one will answer thee, or if thou wilt

look to any of the holy angels;

for wrath destroys the foolish man, and envy killeth

him that is in error.

I have seen the foolish taking root, but their habitation

was presently consumed.

Let their sons be far from safety; let them be despised

before the gates of those less than themselves,

and there shall be none to deliver.

For what was prepared for them, the righteous shall eat;

and they shall not be delivered from evil."

Chapter 40

Let Us Preserve In The Church The Order Appointed By God

These things therefore being manifest to us, and since

we look into the depths of the divine knowledge,

it behoves us to do all things in [their proper] order,

which the Lord has commanded us to perform at stated times.

He has enjoined offerings [to be presented] and service

to be performed [to Him], and that not thoughtlessly or irregularly,

but at the appointed times and hours.

Where and by whom He desires these things to be done,

He Himself has fixed by His own supreme will, in order that

all things being piously done according to His good pleasure,

may be acceptable unto Him.

Those, therefore, who present their offerings at the appointed

times, are accepted and blessed; for inasmuch as they follow

the laws of the Lord, they sin not.

For his own peculiar services are assigned to the high priest,

and their own proper place is prescribed to the priests,

and their own special ministrations devolve on the Levites.

The layman is bound by the laws that pertain to laymen.

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more to think about

Now I do not say these books are perfect but they are somthing

to think about

Hi David Miller

Yes for some they are enough but for me I look into everthing

Just like the PFAL books I check them against the word of God

I all so check to see if they made the right choices on which ones are part of good reading to help me grow which they call the bible

Now the book of Enoch I do not like but this one I do but that is me

Have you read the book of Enoch?

My search for truth there is no end and no rock I will not look under

since all of the things Jesus Christ did were too many to put in books

Hi David Miller

The "The First Epistle Of Clement To The Corinthians " was one of many that was wrote in the same time your bible was wrote

The men that put the bible together had all the books that are in it and many others that did not made it in the bible to choice from

Some are good and they read alot like the ones we are used too but others are evil but unless one searches and reads them asking God about them one can never know if they are good or bad

I have only read a few but I ask and pray about them some I hate and some bless me

Some are like reading a love letter and this one is like that

It sends love and than tells what wrong and than in a loving way explains why and than it tells how to change and than it just sends love

But I am only on chapter 40 of 59

But what about the words what do they say to you

Hi All

When I read what I have put in the quote it made me think of the Way and how I was blind to some of the evil that was going on there

But I like all of you wake up and was kick out of that Church called the Way I ask you read it tell me what you think

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The First Epistle Of Clement

To The Corinthians

From the 38 volume work: Early Church Fathers

Ante-Nicene Fathers to A.D. 325, Vol. 1

Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, editors.

Chapter 3

The Sad State Of The Corinthian Church

After Sedition Arose In It

From Envy And Emulation

Every kind of honour and happiness was bestowed upon you,

and then was fulfilled that which is written,

"My beloved did eat and drink, and was enlarged and became

fat, and kicked." Hence flowed emulation and envy, strife

and sedition, persecution and disorder, war and captivity.

So the worthless rose up against the honoured, those of

no reputation against such as were renowned, the

foolish against the wise, the young against those

advanced in years.

For this reason righteousness and peace are

now far departed from

you, inasmuch as every one abandons the fear of God,

and is become blind in His faith, neither walks

in the ordinances of His appointment, nor acts

a part becoming a Christian but walks after

his own wicked lusts, resuming the practice

of an unrighteous and ungodly envy, by which

death itself entered into the world.

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Now the book go on and tells them what to do and its

a good book I think so far

Maybe you have read it

PS If you want it I will post it or Email it to you

Hi All

As we grow in love we learn to overlook our past and move on and that is why it blesses me to read stories of how we over came our past

Because when one writes their story like the one Mark wrote with love it makes it easier for him to understand others shortcoming in life

Now I write this to think all the ones that have put their lifes in the open like Mark and many other have

Thank you Mark and I send thanks to all the others that have wrote their stories here with love

Hi Water Buffalo

We need a curve just to get saved and God is no respecter of persons but God understands our shortcoming in puts them into the math of things

Yes a big curve but that is what love is all about

When a loving mother or father rewards a child for trying to help in a job do they give the child ice cream or a mud pie

Yes its ice cream

And if a loving Mother grades her child for reward with a curve of love than our God would do it even greater

Hi All

I ask you how do you feel the Comforter which is Jesus Christ ?

1 word of wisdom = by having wisdom about any given thing do you feel comfort

2 word of knowledge = when you have knowledge with understanding do you feel comfort

3 faith = when you read the word of God, hear the word of God or speak the word of God do you feel comfort

4 gifts of healing = when you are heal or you use the gift to healing for another do you feel comfort

5 working of miracles = when you hear or witness miracles in action do you feel comfort

6 prophecy = when you hear or speak the word of prophecy do you feel comfort

7 discerning of spirits = when you know evil from good spirits and know that you are greater than the evil ones do you feel comfort

8 divers kinds of tongues = when you speak in tongues for another do you feel comfort

9 interpretation of tongues = when you hear or speak the interpretation of tongues do you feel comfort

In all these things I feel comfort but some I do better than others

The ones I have grow stronger in I feel more comfort and the ones I am weak in I feel less comfort

Now I believe the comfort is the same in all them but its like when I read I used to fear I would miss quote a word and think its one word when its was another

But now I learn to just read asking God to teach me and help me get better at it

It comes down to I can either trust God or trust the past history of by grades in school

So I trust God now and leave the unneeded past in the past but the past understanding God taught me I keep them by my side

Now I like to bring up the fruits of the spirits

1 love = you can see love in a view = you can hear love in a voice = you can touch love in a back hub = you can feel love in a hug = you can taste love in a kiss

2 joy

3 peace

4 longsuffering

5 gentleness

6 goodness

7 faith

8 meekness

9 temperance

Now in all of the fruits you can see, hear, touch, feel, and taste them

I believe there are natural senses and spiritual senses and to put it simple its in the tone of sound when you hear love in a voice

Now I did not give you an example for all fruits but I am sure some of you can add them here because I wanted to not to get to long as it is long now

Hi Too Gray Now

I have again enjoy reading you adding to a post with love and truth in your heart

Yes there are sounds of truth

• 1 the sound of love

• 2 the sound of joy

• 3 the sound of peace

• 4 the sound of longsuffering

• 5 the sound of gentleness

• 6 the sound of goodness

• 7 the sound of faith

• 8 the sound of meekness

• 9 the sound of temperance

Each fruit as a sound, view, tough, smell, and feel and it by grace that we hear them

I sure love to have God teach me outside the bible since words could not handle all that Jesus Christ did than the bible does not hold all truths

But all truths must have the right sound as you have said before

Thanks for teaching us again and I hope you can help me greater understand what I added

Hi All

Yes thanks Ex10 for puting this here for all to learn from

For I have learn alot and hope to learn more here

Thanks to everyone that added here so I could learn and grow in love

Hi David Miller

Yes it was

Hi All

From God

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I write unto you my dear children of the love I have for each of you . For I feed you with the truth of my spirit and I take care of your every need.

Now about the spirit of Christ that is in you to guide you along life way . It is the spirit of Christ that makes you feel safe and it is the spirit of Christ that leads you as you walk in love.

For your big brother Christ has you by the hand and he helps you cross the roads of life. For in life there are roads of lies and roads of truth. And every time you run into the road of lies it is my son who runs after you to safe you from the cars of evil.

Now when you walk on the road of truth it is my son who guides you on your way with the flow of the cars of truth so you receive truth not faster than you can handle it.

Now I teach each of you in differ ways because you all grow at differ speeds . There is not a set speed to grow at because life as put differ things in each person path.

For some roads are rocky and some have shape curves while other have straight paths. For you all have grow up with differ governors ruling your lives. But when you set Jesus Christ as the governor in your life everything change for the best.

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Hi All

Talking about Buddha

It was not Buddha that was wrong it was the ones who came after Buddha

Buddha taught truths and search for truth and love everywhere he could find it

Now just as Moses taught truths and love to others if the ones who came after him had his body they would of made him a God too

But God saw that afar off and took the possible evil far from them

Now Buddha teaches were added too over the years and miss quoted

So before one judges Buddha ask God about him and do not look at how evil men use his teaching to justify evil

For some even try to justify evil with the word of God

A good example is how the Way justify themself to you

Hi All

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What students of jesus vanished into thin air?

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What is spirit but those things that are not seen with natural eyes

Now we are babies and children in truth and light

But when we put on incorruption or immortality in that day we vanished into thin air

Like a baby in the womb of his or her mother we are in the womb of God

But the day of new birth is coming but for now we are seeds that are planted in God

Amd seeds that have took root and grow reaching to get above the dirt

Now if my understanding is not the best Sirguessalot will clear it up with his great love of truth

Hi Todd

Yes I did like that alot and its alot to think about

If tongues is like colors of light than the interpretation is the view one see’s

Just thinking out loud

Hi Goey

I see what I recalled was not right

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Now I add this statement the 98% the Way taught is what I recall but maybe some one can give a better quote of what they said

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I glad I added this to my first post because I no longer had the books

But any way thanks for helping me get that straight in my understanding

I guess it came up because I work on written a teaching on how to understand the bible for my learning

Thanks

Hi Goey

I can see that saying it "interpreted itself in the verse" as a figure of speech

But once one adds a percent to a figure of speech they are not adding a another figure of speech but a lie

figure of speech can be understood and draw a picture to the statment spoken or wrote

But adding a percent is somthing that can be check out with math

Now I know some call that a figure of speech

but its not and its a way of boasting because one is puff up

Hi Ex10

The way I understand it The Comforter is the Christ in us

Jesus Christ loving us as we walk in love

Now the gifts of the spirit are the power of that love being overflow to the world from us

Or to put it simple you can sat in your car and be at a state of peace

But until you use the power of the car by turning parts on you do not enjoy its powers

You hear the power of the car radio and the power of the air or heat and so on after turning it on

But the power of Christ in you is Your witness and others witness of its glory and truth

The power of Christ is the God in Christ that is teaching you by word of knowlege

The power of Christ is God in Christ that is guiding you with word of wisdom along life

The power of Christ is God in Christ is that taking care needs you know not about but done by pray of speaking in tongues

The power of Christ is God in Christ that is building you up by tongues with interpretation with love

The power of Christ is God in Christ that is fore telling or forth telling things that will bless your life from God with love

The power of Christ is God in Christ that is giving you knowledge of evil spirits that you may be around a person or thing so you can take care of the evil and feel safe

The power of Christ is God in Christ that is healing those who need healing because of your love to help

The power of Christ is God in Christ is that faith to do what God's word says you can

The power of Christ is God in Christ that is working of miracles which is the sign and wonders that follower you

Will this is how I understand it For to me the Way only got it part right because they try to put the gifts in a box

For like God the gifts have not limits within the guide lines God gave each gift

You see you can SIT once a week or every day or to put it in a car form you can use the power of your car once a week or every day

I hope this helps because I have done by best to put it in words the way I understand it

Hi All

I am happy that I was in trig but I wish I never went to Head Quartes or got any their books, tapes , VCR, Classes, and alot of other things

Hi Ex10

I will be praying too

Hi All

VPW and the Way taught that 98% of the word of God interpretation itself in the verse

But what if it is 97%? How would they know its 98% and not 97% or 85%

Unless they understood 98% of the word of God and taught it But they only taught about etc percent of the truths in the bible

Why will I not set a percent to how must they taught because I do not want to get puff up like they did

Nor do I want to lie by making a statement that I can not prove right or wrong

When you say a guess is fact you are lieing

Now I heard some say the words of the bible do not interpretate themself but God teaches them to us as we read and ask God for understanding

And this makes sense to me

Now I add this statement the 98% the Way taught is what I recall but maybe some one can give a better quote of what they said

Hi David Miller

Thanks

Ps I am still praying for all needs

Hi All

I will kept her in my prays

Hi Teknon20

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