There you go talking in a tongue other than plan English
Ok lets talk in Hebrew
7585. she'owl, sheh-ole'; or she'ol, sheh-ole'; from H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), includ. its accessories and inmates:--grave, hell, pit.
You see Hell is just form of grave or death
Ok lets go Greek
86. haides, hah'-dace; from G1 (as a neg. particle) and G1492; prop. unseen, i.e. "Hades" or the place (state) of departed souls:--grave, hell.
or
1067. geenna, gheh'-en-nah; of Heb. or [H1516 and H2011]; valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerus., used (fig.) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment:--hell.
So with just a fast look we see Hell as the grave or a place
But is not the grave = death and is not the grave a place
But here we go into the game of words from Hebrew to English or from Greek to English
But what if Hebrew was translated from another tongue first and what if Greek was translated from another tongue first too
You see Greek or Hebrew mean nothing at all
But where do we get our meaning of scripture but from the spirit of Christ in us
You claim to go by scripture and not my a guess while I claim to go by revelation live one on one
Lets look at your guess
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Moses was a Hebrew, we know that from scripture. Look at Exodus again and see how his mother was pharoah's daughters' wet nurse.
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what does that have to do with anything. Do you not known how little Indian tongues are used today in the USA by Indians
Yes the tongues still lives but not all speak it any more And English has only been here for less than 300 years
While the Hebrews were slaves for over 400 years
So her wet nurse may of spoke Egyptian and the Hebrew tongue was only spoke in the Hebrew home
Moses was learn in all the Egyptian ways
Your bible does not say but I read other books that say Moses was taught in all the Egyptian ways but was he or not
but lets move on my friend
you wrote
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And Paul was raised Hebrew in a Roman town which used Greek as the international language.
Much like English is today.
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Here in the good old USA most speak English but some do not Who to say what tongue Paul wrote in who knows only God
you wrote
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The Bible gives us ready reference to what is truth. How else would we know if what the spirits are telling us is real or counterfeit.
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The bible in no verse reads what tongue it was first wrote in
But I will be so bold to tell you the first tongue it was wrote in
The tongue of picture the very first tongue ever spoke and still spoke today
This tongue is the very picture our mind see's to write by the spirit of God or Christ
Now we translated this picture my labels we put to each and every one
Just all tongues do You see it not the tongue of the spirit that changes but its lable
next you wrote
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It's the standard that Mike so often talks
about but ignores.
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What does Mike have to do this this he has not added his two sence why push into this
Now if you want believe your guess and take it without any proved go and do it
But I tell you the truth Hebrew, Greek, English, and all others tongues of man mean nothing at all
But all truth comes by the spirit of Christ within you
1 Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
No man can lie by the spirit of Christ
So all liying is done by the spirit of the flesh
Its a battle of old man with new man
the old man is the man lead by the spirit of the flesh
the new man is the man lead by the spirit of Christ
I am very sorry but the bible is in the fleshly world not the spiritual world
Yes it came by the spirit but its here now in the flesh
Now if we let the spirit of Christ teach us the spirit we see its true meaning
But as long as one reads it in the flesh it is a fleshly book
Have you not heard the the things of the spirit of God can not be understood by the carnal man but by the spiritual man
I just do not know that if anything will help you but I will kept praying for your understanding
I hope all is well with you. In this case I would agree with Def. Yes, Paul likely spoke a few languages and could have written the epistles in Hebrew, Latin or Greek. However, the Greek culture during the first century was very dominant. Greek was clearly the #1 spoken language as English is today. In fact, the Greek language and culture may have been even more dominant in the first century than English is in today's 21st century world. Because of this Paul likely originally wrote the New Testament epistles in Greek. However, soon after they were translated into other languages.
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So when you say Hell you mean the grave (sheol, hades) and not gehenna, right?
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Beloved Def59
There you go talking in a tongue other than plan English
Ok lets talk in Hebrew
7585. she'owl, sheh-ole'; or she'ol, sheh-ole'; from H7592; hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), includ. its accessories and inmates:--grave, hell, pit.
You see Hell is just form of grave or death
Ok lets go Greek
86. haides, hah'-dace; from G1 (as a neg. particle) and G1492; prop. unseen, i.e. "Hades" or the place (state) of departed souls:--grave, hell.
or
1067. geenna, gheh'-en-nah; of Heb. or [H1516 and H2011]; valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerus., used (fig.) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment:--hell.
So with just a fast look we see Hell as the grave or a place
But is not the grave = death and is not the grave a place
But here we go into the game of words from Hebrew to English or from Greek to English
But what if Hebrew was translated from another tongue first and what if Greek was translated from another tongue first too
You see Greek or Hebrew mean nothing at all
But where do we get our meaning of scripture but from the spirit of Christ in us
While Greek and Hebrew mean nothing
that all I know to say
with love and an holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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Well, Greek and Hebrew do mean something. They are the languages most of texts we use for scripture come from.
So it is important to get to know them.
As for your spirit, well that could be anything. We have to use the word to test the spirits.
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Beloved Def59
God bless your heart
you wrote
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Well, Greek and Hebrew do mean something. They are the languages most of texts we use for scripture come from.
So it is important to get to know them.
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Can you prove to me texts began as Hebrew or Greek
I like to see you prove that a copy was not translated from another tongue
Look Moses wrote some but he was not raised a Hebrew but an Egyptian
So were his books copy from Egyptian to Hebrew
Or what about Apostel Paul he was raised a Roman not a Greek
You can not prove the copy to be copy from Hebrew to Hebrew or from Greek to Greek
Think about there nothing to say they were copy from there own tongue while they may of been a translation too
then you said
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As for your spirit, well that could be anything. We have to use the word to test the spirits.
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Were does it say to use the written word to test the spirits ?
I recall it saying test all spirits not saying by the bible So were do you get to test my the bible or the written word
Yes Test all things but by the spirit of Christ within you
Its the bible that leads us but the son of the living God Jesus the Seed of Christ in us the hope of glory
Think about it We can prove nothing but its the spirit that proves all things good and evil
that all for now
with love and an holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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Moses was a Hebrew, we know that from scripture. Look at Exodus again and see how his mother was pharoah's daughters' wet nurse.
And Paul was raised Hebrew in a Roman town which used Greek as the international language.
Much like English is today.
The Bible gives us ready reference to what is truth. How else would we know if what the spirits are telling us is real or counterfeit.
It's the standard that Mike so often talks about but ignores.
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Beloved Def59
God blessed your heart
Now Def Def so I should take it my your guess
You claim to go by scripture and not my a guess while I claim to go by revelation live one on one
Lets look at your guess
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Moses was a Hebrew, we know that from scripture. Look at Exodus again and see how his mother was pharoah's daughters' wet nurse.
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what does that have to do with anything. Do you not known how little Indian tongues are used today in the USA by Indians
Yes the tongues still lives but not all speak it any more And English has only been here for less than 300 years
While the Hebrews were slaves for over 400 years
So her wet nurse may of spoke Egyptian and the Hebrew tongue was only spoke in the Hebrew home
Moses was learn in all the Egyptian ways
Your bible does not say but I read other books that say Moses was taught in all the Egyptian ways but was he or not
but lets move on my friend
you wrote
------------------------------------------------
And Paul was raised Hebrew in a Roman town which used Greek as the international language.
Much like English is today.
-----------------------------------------------
Here in the good old USA most speak English but some do not Who to say what tongue Paul wrote in who knows only God
you wrote
-------------------------------------------
The Bible gives us ready reference to what is truth. How else would we know if what the spirits are telling us is real or counterfeit.
--------------------------------------------
The bible in no verse reads what tongue it was first wrote in
But I will be so bold to tell you the first tongue it was wrote in
The tongue of picture the very first tongue ever spoke and still spoke today
This tongue is the very picture our mind see's to write by the spirit of God or Christ
Now we translated this picture my labels we put to each and every one
Just all tongues do You see it not the tongue of the spirit that changes but its lable
next you wrote
----------------------------------------------
It's the standard that Mike so often talks
about but ignores.
----------------------------------------------
What does Mike have to do this this he has not added his two sence why push into this
Now if you want believe your guess and take it without any proved go and do it
But I tell you the truth Hebrew, Greek, English, and all others tongues of man mean nothing at all
But all truth comes by the spirit of Christ within you
1 Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
No man can lie by the spirit of Christ
So all liying is done by the spirit of the flesh
Its a battle of old man with new man
the old man is the man lead by the spirit of the flesh
the new man is the man lead by the spirit of Christ
I am very sorry but the bible is in the fleshly world not the spiritual world
Yes it came by the spirit but its here now in the flesh
Now if we let the spirit of Christ teach us the spirit we see its true meaning
But as long as one reads it in the flesh it is a fleshly book
Have you not heard the the things of the spirit of God can not be understood by the carnal man but by the spiritual man
I just do not know that if anything will help you but I will kept praying for your understanding
peace my friend
with love and an holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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Sorry about the double post one was lost in space for a short time
Beloved Def59
God bless your heart
So his wet nurse was Hebrew Do you really believe pharoah's daughters' wanted her son to speak a tongue she did not understand
Moses was rasised a Egyptian not a Hebrew
Did even the Hebews speak Hebrew look they live with the Egyptians for over 400 years
I should Hebrew was spoke in most Hebrew homes but all who knows
Look the American Indian tongues are spoke less and less each year and we have been here less than 300 years
You see a guess means nothing because there is no verse that reads one way or another you just believing what you think is right
You tried to use Hebrew and Greek to prove me wrong but the tongues mean nothing more than a guess
But my friend believe what you will
peace my life
with love and an holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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Note the first tongue ever heard or spoke that is still living today is the tongue of pictures
Its just the lables of this pictures that change but the tongue of pictures is as pure today as it was in Adam's time
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Hello Roy:
I hope all is well with you. In this case I would agree with Def. Yes, Paul likely spoke a few languages and could have written the epistles in Hebrew, Latin or Greek. However, the Greek culture during the first century was very dominant. Greek was clearly the #1 spoken language as English is today. In fact, the Greek language and culture may have been even more dominant in the first century than English is in today's 21st century world. Because of this Paul likely originally wrote the New Testament epistles in Greek. However, soon after they were translated into other languages.
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Beloved Mark Sanguinetti
God blessed your heart
Yes all is well
you wrote the words
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Yes, Paul likely spoke a few languages and could have written the epistles in Hebrew, Latin or Greek.
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The words like likely and I think or most likely some say I am trying to get Def59 to see
You see we just do not know and there no way to know one way or another Yes we can guess but a guess is not truth
And yes Greek may of been dominant but that means nothing since it was not the only tongue
What I am saying we can not say they were first wrote in Greek unless there is proved
Now I would like to believe Paul wrote them in Greek but I just do not know
I do believe its most likely to been Greek but that not a sure thing
This is the point I am trying to make
But believe how you think best
peace and love
with love and an holy kiss blowing your way Roy
PS I am not trying to take away Greek research from anyone because I still feel the need to study them from time to time
But I trying to get us to think maybe it was not all took from Greek and what about the Old Testament was it all wrote in Hebrew first
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