Nottawayfer

That was weird. If Britney can't handle the heat, she should get out of the music business. She has enough money to retire and take care of her kids they way she should. What is she trying to accomplish? The performance on the MTV VMAs was absolutely terrible. She could have avoided that with a little rehearsal. I personally don't think she's fat, but she could have worn a different outfit so nobody could see her belly. She needs to learn a little more discretion if she doesn't want the public to talk.

I lived in the SF Bay Area from August 1989 to December 2002, and I hung out with the only wayfers I knew of which were no longer connected to TWI. They thought they functioned as they always did, just without HQ. It made me quite ill actually. And I was extremely bothered about the ABS and where it went. I stopped going to fellowships regularly during that time after about 6 months of being there. Most of our friends were involved, so we went to bigger meetings once in awhile. Yes, these people were most definitely Geer supporters.

Much to my NASCAR lovin' chagrin, Craig happens to work for a home improvement store in Toledo. One that just happens to be the sponsor for my favorite bad boy of NASCAR.

I can verify this information because I have a friend who ran in to him there not long ago (less than a month).

I think the word "blessed" was used incorrectly as well. I remember me, and my WOW sister and brother worked together at a restaurant. We two girls were waiting for the guy to get off work. We were sitting in the break area, and we said "I bet Mark would be blessed if we saved this cigarette for him." One of our co-workers said "Blessed??? WTF???"

"Believing" was thrown around way too loosley in TWI IMHO. Way Believer type of "believing" seemed to put more emphasis on the person doing the work instead of allowing God to work.

My Mom and sister prayed for me to leave TWI for over 10 years. During that time, there was no way I would have even considered it. In my mind, I was a lifer in TWI. But I do think that their prayers allowed God to prick my heart and allow me to see what I needed to see in order to make my own decision to leave. Did they believe? I think they prayed and left the work to God.

I also think that terminology was used to strongarm people in to doing things.

"I was believing you would make it to the Advanced Class this year."

What about desire and planning? We were taught in order to see something to come to pass in our lives it was according to the 4 Ds:

Decision

Desire

Details

Deliverance

I really think this was backwards. It's hard to make a decision when you have no desire. Maybe that was part of the mind control formula?

To me, desire indicated God was working in you.

My response is that there's plenty of sin to go around... and I would offer the following serious admonitions from Jesus:

QUOTE

Mat 6:15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Mar 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

Remembering sin doesn't mean you don't forgive. Forgiveness doesn't mean you excuse the sin either.

It's not a comfortable thing to do. You have to stand up funny, lift your arms, then get your whole breast put between a vice and then they squeeze it. It's not a soft squeeze either. I have to breath myself through it or I would probably have a panic attack. That's the only time I ever feel paniced too.

There were several walnut trees when I lived at HQ. They used to lay them outside for the husk to dry up (or rot off???) and then cleaned them off.

I have an appointment on October 3. The MOM Mobile is coming to the parking lot of my work. It will be really convenient, but it won't be comfortable. Gosh men have it so much easier. I'd rather cough and turn my head. It would be shorter than the time you have to have yourself smooshed between 2 cold plates feeling like it's going to be ripped off.

So does that mean that we have to shift all the Christmas stuff/celebrations/TV specials/Christmas muzack back 3 1/2 months?

That would mean that we'd start seeing Christmas shopping ads as far back as late June!! :ph34r:

I did see Christmas decorations in Wal-Mart this week. <_<

Somehow "Is that a bagel in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?" doesn't seem to sound good. Why does he have a bagel in his pants? I never did see Fast Times at Ridgemont High.

I still remember once out WOW we had "witnessed" to someone, and they gave us their number. Only later we could never get ahold of them. So what does my coordinator do, have me hound this couple for weeks on end, leaving messages on their door, on his voicemail, at his work, anything to get ahold of them.. I hated that!! They must have thought I was crazy or something, and I felt like a fool trying to force our cult onto them... Good thing they never responded! lol...

I had an FC hound me to do that once too. It drove me crazy. I finally said to her "Their silence speaks VOLUMES!!! If they wanted it, they would have called me back. If I call them or leave them anymore notes, it could be harrassment!!" She finally backed off. What makes them think that is such a godly way to get people involved?

I remember feeling pressured to take classes when I first got involved. I didn't call back for a reason. Maybe I wouldn't have gone out WOW and stayed in TWI for 20 years had they not kept bugging me.....shoulda woulda coulda....

I have no doubt VP taught The WOG being the Will of God quite a bit, but what he didnt tell you was he was really teaching HIS version of the WOG which was the Will of MOG in disguise.

Amen!

I think there were many who did that waysider. Sometimes I think we were just so used to hearing certain phrases and reading certain verses in the Bible that it all became rote. It definitely wasn't inspiring most of the time.

Mike, please don't respond. Please. Let excie have her thread back.

It's not gonna happen. He is THE official PFAL promoter here. Everything the fablulous Dr. VPW said are golden words to Mike's ears.

Mike, I didn't read your response because I'm not interested in being told I didn't remember what I was taught in the intermediate class.

I simply stated my opinion. If I am wrong, I am willing to deal with the consequences. If God wants me to know differently, I will. Trust me; it won't be you who changes my mind. Every time I hear you quote the classes, I hear "nanny nanny boop boop blah blah blah!!!"

Fluency in tongues was crap IMHO. It's either the spirit of God or it's not. Who cares what it sounds like. We didn't know what we were saying. Only God was supposed to right?

Here's the picture of us with Jonny's cousin.Here's another picture:

Eyes told it all very well except for the part with the AWESOME crab chowder and seafood, and MOJITOS!!! Those were the BESTEST mojitos I've ever had!!

I can post the picture of us with Jonny's cousin if Eyes and Belle agree to me posting it.

No, we ate Crab, Oysters, Calamari, and sour dough bread. And the Mojitos flowed abundantly. We ate at the Crab House. I highly recommend that place. The garlic butter crab was awesome, and so was the crab chowder.....mmm mmmm good!!

haha!! So funny? Ironically, Belle, Eyes and myself were snuggling up to Jonny Lingo's cousin at the Wipeout restaurant on Pier 39 in San Francisco last night.

Nottawayfer, what, is that prophesy? LOL! No new job yet, but at least today I'm not as down about it--I know God is faithful, and we'll eventually come out of this too.

Dot, I'm trying to remind him of that fact--it may take having to get some retail type job--not something he'd be fond of, but it would at least be something!

I really appreciate the prayers. Pray for me to be the right kind of encouraging--speaking up if it's right, but not to nag him!

Sorry, I wish it was prophecy. I posted on the thread. But now that I posted, I will be sure to pray for your husband.

Wonderful news, and thank you God!!

I wonder if someone found the bird during the cold months. How could the poor little thing liv ein the cold? They are tropical birds aren't they?

Hurricane Dean made it through the Yucatan Peninsula a few weeks ago. I don't know if it hit Cozumel. I was in Playa del Carmen at the end of October in 2005 when Hurricane Wilma hit. I thought the BIG beyotch would never leave. We went to our room on Thursday night and couldn't come out until Sunday morning.

The great thing about a cruise is they can navagate around a hurricane. You may not get as much time at a port and your port of call may change, but at least you still get to enjoy your vacation.j

Have a great time and take pictures for us to see!

I still highly suggest Chankanaab Park for snorkeling in Cozumel.

You can find every kind of festival all over the San Francisco Bay Area. My favorite is the garlic festival in Gilroy south of the Bay Area.

I always used to wonder about other Christians' relationship with Christ, they talked about it in such a personal sense. I knew we were missing something in TWI.

It wasn't until I was able to get outside of the TWI box, that God graciously allowed me to see, understand, and know his Son and to understand what a "relationship" with him means - I finally understood what those other Christians were talking about - thank God. I am grateful he in his mercy let me live long enough to know and understand, at least a small portion. It dwarfs TWI's version.

This is so true and worth repeating again. It's a hard one for some ex-wayfers to follow. It's not about the Trinity either.