herbiejuan

I've got a cabin somewhere :)--> now I just have to find it :D-->

I was one in a long line of folks who left in the mid to late 90's. Long before leaving tho I had informal after the meeting talks with folks who seemed to be scratching their heads at Martindales rantings and wondering if he was alright in the upper stooory. Glad to say that everyone of them saw through the baloney and left :D-->

I am praying for our country

I dunno Garth but it looks like your *it* :D-->

It'll be great to see everybody again I'm really looking forward to hearing everyones tales of the weird and obscure (which always tell better wif a touch of par squeezings) I have it on good word that the head dictator will actually be awake this year

Now we need a spot to meet up at, preferably in the camping area, Cath have you decided where you'd like to set up your tribe? Has anyone checked out the park?

And they liked it

I imagine it costs a sizable chunk of change to keep up Gunnisonm especially if they are still so anal about details.

I can't see twi capitalizing on the properties value any better than they did with the other properties they sold off. By the time you add in all the costs associated with maintaining and running the campus over the years, that place hadda been a money pit from the git go.

They'd still get a good price for it if they sold it but the market for those properties is pretty depressed right now. It is also associated with a disreputable organization which lowers values too.

It's a shame they don't just set up a health spa there for the rich and spoilt.

But in all seriousness mankinds been through alot of strange and calamatious times whole civilizations have dissapeared or been broken apart so I'm not too very worried about the current goings on (not to mention powerless to do anything about it if it is the last times).

I am bothered by these telvangelists who are preying on peoples uncertaintites and fears by playing the rapture card I consider them lower than the lowest scum for using God's name for their profit and benefit.

Chatty ya gots to be initiated at the weenie roast after making a suitable *donation* to the *let's get sudo more pear squeezin's* fund.

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Jim I've found that my college has copies of the latest windows os which they give to the students, they also have a tech dept that will repair students puters fer free! How cool is that :)-->

I will be in attendance along with a kid or two in tow. I have a cabin reserved and should arrive sometime after 3. Cathy if you have a food need not covered just let me know what to bring. Other n that, I'll see you there, or here, or not, in which case you'll have missed a really laid back good time.

Beano eh?

LOL

and in tents no less

It starts Friday when whoever shows up first gits there and ends sometime Monday when the last of us sobers up and leaves :D-->

Oh it has come to my attention that we will have a cabin at the roast available for food prep when the occupants arrive sometime Friday.

Well if we're having cornbread we gots to have some pinto beans to go with it so it won't feel all lonesome n sad :(--> and then if we got cornbread n pinto beans we got to have some cane syrup to liven them up with :D-->

I'm both

Less filling and great taste :D-->

That's my motto Shaz a life well lived :)-->

Ckeer I agree that the systems and folks involved differ from situation to situation but ultimely it stems from one personality disorder and their ability to sway others to do their bidding.

In my case the various police depts did nothing despite an arrest for kidnapping and a later incident involving pointing a gun and repeated stalking/harrassing events.

A sherriff explained it to me like this *there are some people we know that we won't arrest because of who they are* another person explained those people as untouchables due to their involvment in local criminal activities which may or may not involve some of the folks hired to protect and serve...so the cards were stacked against us from the git go. The upside to this is the corruption is public knowledge and steps have been taken to begin cleaning it up.

((((((((Shaz)))))))) mucho thanks :)-->

From my personal experience I've traced the abuse back three generations and I imagine it goes back further than that, so in addition to the current behavior, there were generationally ingrained habits and mindsets within the family structure itself that supported and encouraged denial and abuse even among those being victimized.

In my case **** flowed downhill and I found myself dealing with the fallout of anothers insanity and it's ingrained behavior patterns in others, what made my situation so difficult was I was the only sane adult out of 7 of 'em and an atmosphere of lies and deciet existed with folks playing victim and abuser often in the same day. I withdrew my self physically from the situation but because my kids were involved I stayed in it emotionally and intellectually because as one who has been on both ends of the abuse issue I would be damned if I was gonna leave my kids to deal with this issue on their own.

In essense I forced the abuser to give up his source of power and thus (besides making an enemy) detoothed the *******. I'm working with my kids to address the issues I see. While progress has been slow at times each is realising how this has affected them and are working on the issues they can address at this time.

The main character in this showed many other symptoms of mental troubles by their risk taking gambling and drinking which went beyond common sense but may of stemmed in part by several guys just like him meeting up, becoming friends and trying to outdo each other. Birds of a feather flock together which may explain why documented reports of abuse sometimes don't get anywhere, the perps pals are occupying the offices above his.

The biggest problem with getting to an abuser, though, is that he doesn't think he needs help.

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To lessen some of his behaviors, try reversing roles, but without the abuse. Teach him like a mother, explaining to him what most people think is proper behavior in that situation, and OF COURSE he already knows that! (Teach him and compliment him at the same time.

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I agree, reteaching seems to be the only proactive method of dealing with someone who exibits abusive traits and who IS NOT a close family member. Just assume the workplace bully may be making your life miserable but just imagine what it must be like to LIVE with that person...

I'm not in anyway suggesting that a victim stay in a situation to *help* the perp, that is a trap of itself, the victim MUST remove themselves from the abuse AND start the healing process themselves.

Well its ummm well not easy to explain what goes on in my head sometimes...

But in essence all abuse stems from an inner imbalance within the soul of a person. It is a symptom not the cause of a deeper problem that consumes everything it should be caring for.

The type of abuse, the extent is is perpetrated and the number of people involved depends on the luck of the draw and the resourcefullness of the abuser but whether is be an insane dictator slaughtering his people or a cult leader spitting and swearing from the main stage, it still stems from an imbalance within just one person the perp.

And I see this imbalance as being something that shouldn't be THAT difficult to repair, that just as there are emotional hot spots that can inflame there are those that can sooth or neutralize and those that start the healing process.

Emotional problems such as depression and anxiety attacks are commonly dealt with on a professional level by mental health professionals but it usually falls on a concerned other to begin the process. We've become an empowered people in that regard, able to recognise symptoms, suggest solutions AND provide support.

So too with the abuse issue we KNOW it stems from deeper issues, we KNOW it's cyclical and we KNOW it's symptoms but what we don't know is how to confront an ******* in three easy steps (sorry it's late) nor I suspect, do we really want to deal with the abuser because they can be scary people.

Hi Exie

Shaz, do you think there are pressure points or does that even make sense?

I should arrive by 3 2

Count your blessing girl count yer blessing :D-->