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  1. skyrider


    This social security issue was discussed on this thread: Rosalie's Retirement Plan Yeah......wierwille / twi was in accordance with the law, BUT.....they used every opportunity and advantage (they had us sign waivers) to screw us in the long run. Thanks wierwille............PPPFFFFTTT.
  2. skyrider

    Countdown 2019

    Yeah........Happy Birthday, Twinky. Pass the chocolate cake......please.
  3. Hey, you cult-parents and rah-rah splinter group parents............listen to your grown children. Stop and think about those early years of parenting and why you wanted kids. Remember all the pain-staking hours you went thru to protect them? The hundreds/thousands of hours you poured over them with love? For most all, the "cult-standards" soon became your "family-standards," right? The wooden spoon....silence at open meetings.....confining, suffocating, overbearing. Meetings, meetings and more meetings.......where kids (under 12) were isolated from parents. Then, at age 12.....it was thrust upon them to partake of these classes and heed its direction. All of this was unnatural to a child's world......reaching out to explore the wonders of life. Here at GSC.......for several years now, the second generation of twi-cultees have been speaking out. The hurt, anguish, depression and damage has taken its toll on the identity formation and psyche of many......especially those trapped at HQ. Invariably, it was/is the most sycophant, zealot "leaders" who disregarded their children's needs.....and ran roughshod over their wellbeing. Blinded by cult-obedience, the corps leadership was constantly attending classes, meetings, set-up meetings, after-glow meetings, confrontation meetings, etc......all efforts of twi-servitude, not God. The crazies were off the rails......and the whole damn train went crashing into the ravine. Years of wierwille's teachings on "Us versus Them" [even church leadership were seed of the serpent].....stay with the twi-household or you're outside God's protection.......cop-outs, lose your rewards, ....then martindale's greasespot by midnight, homo-purge, other purges, cross bridge to promised land, the prevailing word.......everything on the conditional relationship of strict obedience to cult-doctrine!! Add, the backdrop hysteria of Geer's poop paper......firings, secrecy, exodus, insinuations, innuendo, infighting, splinter groups......no wonder the youth caught in this crossfire at hq went running for the hills (colleges and elsewhere) to escape the bullets. Splinter groups who strictly adhere to wierwille-doctrine and practice? REALLY?? My brother-in-law........NONE of their kids want anything to do with his splinter group. Yet, the parents trudge on like it's their duty to "stand for truth" and make others miserable..... Where is the LOVE? For God's sake, parents..............LISTEN to your grown children. Listen with your heart.
  4. skyrider

    Lurker for Years, Joiner at Last

    Hi Leah..........welcome to the Café. For those of you who grew up at hq and had parents in leadership positions, I can only imagine the hardships, scrutiny, challenges and fear that were embedded into your psyche at such a young age. As you distinguished astutely in an earlier post.....it sounds like you are well on your way to separating your "cult self" from your "authentic self." And further, you have now established proper boundary lines with your family and loved ones by openly and publically stating what is acceptable, and not acceptable, to you. Good for you! Keep claiming what is rightfully YOURS.......an "authentic self." Individual sovereignty........to think, explore, believe, live, challenge, and commit to the passions that burn within your soul. My wife and I exited twi nearly 21 years ago after, what I would term, six turbulent years as leadership in Oklahoma. Suffice it to say that I spent time with your parents, grandparents, uncles, aunts, and some of your first cousins. Look how their lives have changed in the past 20-something years! Commitments changed. Perspectives altered. None of what they were, or weren't, committed to should hold sway to YOUR goals, passions or self-esteem. You have every right and reason to pursue this journey of self-exploration. And, from the sounds of things.....you've read some good books and, for years, have read threads here at GSC. Good for you. Go at the pace that fits your schedule. Most all of us have a past of *burdens, hurts and fears* that we are working thru or have overcome........hell, I went thru 10-days of deprogramming to fight my way back to my fiancé and then, dealt with years of being estranged from my parents/family. So, yeah......I can relate to the challenges one faces of self-authenticity and autonomy. Live on the sunrise side of the mountain......and greet the days that are before you. You are a brave woman and I commend you for it.
  5. Yeah........and LOTS MORE could be added to this list. 31. WOWs gave a year knocking doors, meandering thru parks and malls to sell the pfal class..........no financial support from twi, none. 32. Interim corps were assigned to hq, emporia or Gunnison campus. At hq, I got paid $75 a month (room&board inc.) for 240+ hrs work each month. 33. Wierwille had skilled craftsmen, like Buddy Curry, build stuff like fireplace mantle and specially-crafted desk......superb quality at very little cost to twi. 34. Howard Allen, the trustee over Camp Gunnison......took special interest in Way Builders. They saved twi lots of $$$$$ 35. When Trustees had annual meeting in Canada....Howard asked me, Country Coordinator, for $4,000 Canadian cash. I hand-delivered it.
  6. How twi made a bundle of money........let us count the ways: PFAL class payment upfront......sometimes waited months for class to run. Encouraged to tithe [10%]. ABS [15%] was better. Plurality giving [40% or more] was best --- all giving beyond basic needs. Subscription to The Way Magazine [$12 - $15]. SNS tape subscription. VHS tapes/DVDs -- later. Class Series fees ...... DTA, RM, W&U, CFS, Way Tree Intermediate Class -- $75 ? Advanced Class --- $450 Rock of Ages entrance fee.......and money spend on food (cooked/served by mostly corps workers) End of ROA -- gift donation on the final night Bookstore Sales Snack Shop and hamburger sales after Sunday teachings Word in Business and Profession Conferences LEAD adventure -- made available to advanced class grads Rodeo School at Camp Gunnison---- made available for a short time Corps Program and Sponsor Money -- $3,200 per year (single person) Corps Program.......tons and tons of free labor (especially from skilled construction workers) Big Donations [$1,000] for WOW Auditorium Gifts to Wierwille......Twig Hopper, private gifts, etc Gifts to Martindale....hundreds of gifts poured in after WAP class series Shopping sprees for Emogene, Dotsie, Wanda, Rosalie, Donna, etc. $500 a pop Bo and Stanley Reahard built house in Way Woods.....when ousted, twi confiscated house John Lynn Sr. donated Limb Home in Indianapolis to twi in 1975 (?).......sold in 1989 for $790,000 (??) Inheritance of land and money......donated to twi After fog years.......martindale mandated that all AC students re-take new Advanced Class. Rise and Expansion Classes offered in 1994.......Limb coordinators taught classes on the field. 1996.....Way of Abundance and Power [WAP] foundational class offered upgraded class 1997.....[WAP] Intermediate Class offered upgrade 1998.....[WAP] Advanced Class offered upgrade 1995...1996...1997...1998...1999...2000...2001 Advanced Class Special Conferences in Dallas 2003/2004.....New Foundational Class taught by the 3 amigos.....Longley, Chavoiste, and Rupp Others can probably add much more to this list......but this is a good start. And, lest we forget.......twi is a non-profit organization. Why are they hoarding ALL THIS MONEY??? Where is the charitable giving to help those in need, impoverished and burdened? .
  7. In October/November 1978.........was when Camp Gunnison and L.E.A.D. were going thru major construction phases. I was in my first few months of in-residence and I couldn't help but see these guys......electricians, plumbers, carpenters, roofers and flooring workers being sent out on working assignments. Announcements of their being shipped out were made at lunch or supper time.....and off they went. For me, having two years of college under my belt before I dropped out to go WOW/Corps........I knew full-well the rigors of classes, studying and cramming for tests, grade point average (gpa) and working toward a Business Administration degree. I'm not quite sure what I expected to find when going to The Way College of Emporia Kansas........but THIS was certainly not it! The academic "curriculum" at Emporia was an absolute joke. Elder corps were faculty teachers in most cases......and work assignments were PRIORITY over the classes where trustees gave consent. And, when wierwille came to Emporia......every aspect on campus changed to accommodate the mogfot. To spiff up the place, 12 people with push brooms cleaned the circle drive before his arrival. Good Grief.....anybody ever hear of a leaf blower? What an absolute waste and exploitation of manpower. When martindale boasted about meticulous lawn mowing.........I couldn't help but think of growing up on a wheat farm and driving tractors at age ten, while the corps director lectured us on straight lines and attention to detail. This work/study corps program.........was a dismal failure on all fronts. I nearly left before Christmas 1978 several times. I had a car parked in the back lot and about $6,000 in my bank account at the time. What a different life I would have seen........had I left when I saw all of those red flags. Sigh.
  8. The big money was from thousands upon thousands faithfully tithing/abs [15%] to twi of their hard-earned money. So yeah, when these "trained" followers went forth to run classes, get others involved, more tithing.....it was a multiplier of coercion and deception for sure.
  9. And, so were they...........on every level imaginable. Was the Emporia Campus a place of higher learning.......or just an indoctrination camp? Why dangle an Associates of Theology Degree......when it was a worthless piece of paper in academic circles? Dozens in the 7th corps (my elder corps) were sent to Gunnison and/or Tinnie, NM for plumbing, carpentry, etc. And, when they missed whole blocks of classes.......it didn't matter. Only their loyalty to Trustees' requests mattered. No grades, no tests......why take notes? Maybe just feign attention to keep up with appearances for future assignments. Why did wierwille think that Emporia Campus needed a Dean?....... Maybe that's why Dean Don felt betrayed? The whole gambit wreaked of *playing the system to one's advantage.* Seemingly, the concept was......if you wanted to move up the ladder, you've got to go corps. Even those who'd been leaders on the field for years, had to go thru the corps training to establish street cred [cult cred].......ie Chris Geer [7th corps], John Lynn [9th corps]. Heck, even Don and Howard were publically presented with Honorary Corps Diplomas...... why? LOL With corps in-residency, there was no basis for academic achievement.........no questioning, no open discussions, no tests, no voicing dissent was allowed. Even those adept in research skills and languages were confined to the parameters of wierwille's "research." The whole deception was, and still is, that the corps program involved education......whereas indoctrination was its core.
  10. Yes..........and corps became leaders (cough, cough) over branches, areas, limbs, regions and departments at hq. All of the Milf0rd Bowens, J. Fred Wils0ns, and long-standing staffers at hq were phased out and replaced with corps grads. That's why even people that didn't want to go into the corps......went into the corps. It was status gaming of the system that wierwille set in motion. It was a two-tiered system.........if you weren't CORPS, you weren't in the top tier. Wierwille stated it plainly in his corps meetings for all to hear. Corps were instructed to MARRY corps......else, they were NOT equally-yoked. Got it? The corps nametag was "membership" to the only club that mattered in the cult.
  11. Admission into Wierwille's Elite Corps Program: Loyalty When wierwille set up his "spiritual-marine" corps training program......it was based on one thing, loyalty. The corps candidate was required to take all of the prerequisite classes, serve faithfully for the apprentice year, get sponsors and money together and then........admittance was granted into the corps program. The corps program was NOT about an education or curriculum with test scores or grades. In fact, some corps skipped months of classes by following trustees' requests concerning the building needs at other campuses. The corps program was NOT an extensive search of biblical truths to be fully-equipped to teach and minister to others. Quite the contrary, it was designed to indoctrinate the youth into a lifetime of wierwille-adulation and twi-servitude. No grades. Missed classes. NO PROBLEM. Loyalty was the highest premium...........not merit. Big donations, doctors' kids and "celebrity-status" help to fast-track corps admissions, too. Even when corps were sent out Light-Bearers........we were told that we NEEDED to get a pfal class together or else. Or else what ?? That we'd be kicked out of the corps program? Yeah.....that is what was implied and what a lot of us thought. But when we arrived back on campus without achieving that stated objective......a major butt-chewing and shaming ensued to the majority of us who didn't sign up 7 people. But I don't remember anyone who was thrown out for failing this "test." With one's admission into wierwille's "army of corps-followers".........he got .....hundreds of thousands of hours of free labor. .....decades and, in some cases, a lifetime of twi-servitude .....five corps campuses that were indoctrinating youth .....tens of millions of dollars funneled into twi's coffers .....a secret world of guarding his sexual predation What did the corps get for this loyalty and admission into wierwille's corps program? To the misguided and/or clean of heart, they discovered the deception and dropped allegiance to this cult and built a new life. For the opportunists, liars and frauds it provided years, even decades of..........1) social signaling, 2) status gaming, 3) spiritual elitism, and 4) measured power and control over others. For those who continue in this spiritual-status game of twi and splinter groups..........is the self-serving appropriation of a bankrupt soul.
  12. skyrider

    Most of VP's and TWI Stuff here

    Yeah...............the whole site drips with sanctimonious adulation. These people, some who are deceased, lived their whole lives idolizing a false teacher and a plagiarist. With intense devotion, they never found their way outside of wierwille's snare of deception. And then, passing on these lies onto their children........the next generation perpetuates the image and legacy of a man who tweaked and stole the teachings and works of true ministers of the Lord. Wierwille was a PLAGIARIST................thru and thru. Many attribute The Red Thread teaching as one of wierwille's great teachings..........yet, he stole it from Oral Roberts. ........start listening at 37:35 and *hear the original* in all its glory!!
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    Cult-Splinter Insanity

    "The class money pays the overhead expenses......the faithful tithing/abs is the mother lode." Do the math......10% of income really adds up!! What if splinter group reaches 300 adults who faithfully tithe... 100 couples and 100 adult singles = 300 people Average in high incomes/low incomes.....ballpark averages Average annual income of couples (together) = $80,000 resulting in $8,000 tithe per couple $8,000 per couple each year X 100 couples = $800,000 per year If adult single average annual income = $40,000 results in $4,000 tithe per single $4,000 per single each year X 100 singles = $400,000 per year TOTAL: $800,000 + $400,000 = $1,200,000 per year tithe total [300 people] Running weekend classes......pays for rental fees, travel expenses, syllabus, printing, website maintenance and updates, etc. No motel costs and minimal meal costs if Rico stays at someone's home. No car rental fees. Travel perks: Arrive early -- mix "business" with pleasure. See the sights......1) Wichita, Kansas; 2) Sidney, Ohio; 3) Henderson, Nevada; 4) Loveland, Colorado; 5) Morrisville, North Carolina; ...... 6) Mini-vacation in Montana in July at forest campground. Not bad for a startup splinter. Preach the tithe. Preach partnership. Preach cheerful giving. Ride the gravy train. WooHoo
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    Cult-Splinter Insanity

    Grace.......imo, there are MANY nefarious reasons for Rico to start a splinter group and run classes: At his age, his resume' would look like garbage to most all employers out there. Rico was a corps coordinator and long-time staffer....would have had lots of contact with recently-exited followers. Right place, right time......a shoo in for another splinter group leader to rise from the ashes. Opportunistic and aggressive.........fundamental qualities needed by any successful cult leader. The class money pays the overhead expenses......the faithful tithing/abs is the mother lode. Perks and privileges........exponential potential payoff, adulation, travel, leisure, flexibility and exploitation-longevity. Power and control over others.........perhaps someday, office staff, subordinate leaders, church building, etc. If narcissistic pathologies and power persists.........sexual predation and lavish toys will be extracted. Cults and splinter-cults grease the skids for lots of shenanigans.......tax exemption status, religious masking, access to people during vulnerable times, authoritative figure, no accountability, operating "off the grid," access to counting/reporting of money, offers to "counsel" in financial/funeral situations, etc. etc. With wierwille being Rico's "father in da verd"..........oh my, oh my!! .
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    Cult-Splinter Insanity

    Attention: Skyrider is running a 3-part series this weekend........February 23 and 24. The Bourne Identity The Bourne Supremacy The Bourne Ultimatum Open discussion will follow movie series........detailing aspects of intense-indoctrination, discovery and survivor. No charge. Bring your own sleeping bag. Popcorn and beer will be provided.