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  1. Well........to each its own. Long gone are those days of Hot Bible. If you want to place your butt in a chair and learn about Lessons in Laughter from the R&R group.....the time has arrived. Perhaps, that "R&R" moniker would be aligned more appropriately, "Reflection and Retirement." After lesson and cookies......it's nap time. Long gone are those days Spiritual Revival. If this were the weekly standard teaching, then I would have never darkened the door. Where are those teachings on the Book of Acts? The Acts of the Apostles....of Stephen or Philip? Or, the warnings of people like Simon the sorcerer who pawned his work as "some great one?" Where are the practical, living-breathing testimonies of leaders in the church walking the walk, reaching out to lost and burdened souls, healing the sick, casting out spirits, speaking truth in the face of accusation? Are other splinters morphing into "nanny splinters"......?? IDK But......geez, louise.
  2. Well.......the "tried and true method" of splinter groups is to establish a central office or location. Central Office = spiritual authority, central planning, bookstore, material, pamphlet and newsletter distribution, collection of tithes and offerings Building or Church = teaching services, events, leaders' meetings, events, reunions, children's activities, camps, etc. If there is NO "brick-and-mortar".......then, I believe that Teachings going out into the ethereal of humanity will NOT alone sustain the human spirit. Also, NO class-tier structure to follow in R&R.....commitment steps 1, 2 and 3. These guys better "follow the yellow brick road to Oz"........or people are going to lose interest fast. LOL
  3. Taxidev, two things might help to clear this up..... 1. I inserted this link as a reason to explain my reasoning, Phasing in a Splinter. In expounding on phase #3.........I stated, "Phase #3 of Securing a Central Headquarters [BRC/Church].....like CFF, Finnegan's group, Hendricks group, etc......is essential. Maybe Dottie Moynihan will open up her family wealth's checkbook and give a hefty donation.....or one of the others. But....just to be having weekly teachings on Facebook is going to fizzle.......soon. Teachings going out into the ethereal of humanity will NOT alone sustain the human spirit. I highly suspect that MANY of these self-appointed corps have been planning these phases already!!! From all that I have gathered in studying how wierwille and other splinters garner movement.......they must operate from a "central office or headquarters." Wierwille clearly understood this and was claiming in December 1957, even though it was a RENTAL HOME IN VAN WERT, that they had a new headquarters. Look at all the other splinters...... like CES/STFI, CFF, S.O.W.E.R.S. or when Geer moved from Gartmore to Maine......what do all of these have in common? If the central office is NOT established.......then, imo......those teachings are going to fizzle in impacting/building a movement. Now, you can disagree with my assessment.......but I have historical evidence to back up this statement. 2. As you stated....."I have YET to get any indication that they want a 'central location'......" The operative word in this is........YET. Maybe it will take 3 or 4 or even 5 years ........ but if they want to grow in impact, then they will need a central office and/or building. Doug McMull!n owned property in MS and thus, S.O.W.E.R.S. was grounded in Mississippi. Look around. This concept is not rocket science. Peace.
  4. The "birds of a feather" were flocking together OUTSIDE the church denominations. Wierwille didn't like the confinement and structure of answering to church boards. He was free-wheeling in his decision-making. Running with renegade preachers, traveling "scholars" and guest speakers......it gave wierwille complete flexibility and control to "do as he fool-well pleased." Sin included. Claiming to be "the man of God".......was a bridge too far. A rambling preacher, yes. The man of God for the whole world......no.
  5. Birds of a feather flock together.......people of similar interests, background, ideas or characteristics will often congregate or hang out with each other, people who have similar ideas or values tend to stick together. Mrs. Wierwille's book chronicles the men and women who were instrumental in vp's learning and development. At the E. Stanley Jones Ashram (retreat) in North Carolina 1944....young wierwille and nearly 200 others present. [p.48] Rufus Moseley was a main speaker at this retreat.....and became a mentor, visiting vpw on two different occasions. [p. 52] Inspired by Perry Hayden's teachings on agriculture and tithing.....wierwille firmly held to the doctrine of the tithe. [p. 55] Glenn Clark and his Camp Farthest Out....utilizing the great outdoors to encourage peace, love, prayer and tranquility. [p. 56] E. W. Kenyon....he was fixated on "Study to shew thyself approved unto God...." His great work and writings inspired vpw. [.76] Foreign Missions in Honduras 1951.....Bertha Scheidt was a devoted, tireless worker in many educational programs. [p.77] At "The Divine Healing Convention" in Tulsa 1951, wierwille was instructed to seek out the man J. E. Stiles. [p. 78-80] According to this book, Rev. Stiles was able to answer all of wierwille's perplexing questions and to help him receive into manifestation holy spirit. This marked a turning point in vpw's quest of the holy spirit field and solidified his emboldened stance that he was unable to find answers in colleges and universitites, in churches and classrooms or mission fields. The churches were unable to fulfill his need. Starr Daily was a guest speaker......in and out of prison in his younger years, and published Love Can Open Prison Doors. [p. 82] Albert Cliffe was zealous over "the law of believing." He was instrumental in promoting Let Go and Let God. [p.94] .......* Mrs. W. puts Cliffe on page 94 (out of chronological order -- January 4-8, 1953). .......Why? It put more distance (in the book) from connecting Leonard's Feb 1953 class to Wierwille's Oct 1953 class. B. G. Leonard, whom vp met in Tulsa 1951......ministered healing over the phone to Mary Wierwille and she was healed. [p.87,88] Leonard's class "The Gifts of the Spirit" was the foundational cornerstone and rock.....and vpw made it his own. [p. 90,91] .....Picture of vpw in Leonard's February 1953 class. [p.90] .....Picture of Dotsie and Don in Leonard's June/July 1953 class [p.91] THEN......page 99, "In October 1953, Dr. Wierwille taught the first Power for Abundant Living class, which was held in the basement of St. Peter's Church. The first two classes were called "Receiving the Holy Spirit Today." The name was then changed to the broader title that fit better with the entire scope of what the class covers. Also, "Power for Abundant Living" would have a greater and broader appeal to people, especially to those not from religious backgrounds." .................p. 100, "The people who had been part of B. G. Leonard's class on 'The Gifts of the Spirit' were considered graduates and not included in the rosters of Dr. Wierwille's classes." Translation: Wierwille's class WAS LEONARD'S CLASS. The two carloads of people who attended the June/July 1953 class and were not included in the rosters of new students of this October 1953 class. They were already grads......and did not pay the registration fee (imo). Also, the name of the class was changed. Marketing strategy and distancing it further from Leonard's work. Page 101, 102.......Dr. E. E. Higgins attended vpw's class and she was the person who introduced wierwille to the great and influential works of an Englishman named E. W. Bullinger (1837-1913). She gave wierwille his first Companion Bible and a copy of Bullinger's How to Enjoy the Bible. The dots connect. Wierwille claimed to have intricate inroads into the holy spirit field. Yet, in all my years (corps, staff and clergy).......I never saw wierwille operate any of the revelation or power manifestations. Not once. In conclusion, to me.......Mrs. W's book documents how wierwille was a searching opportunist, looking for a niche like all the other renegade preachers, itinerants and guest speakers who traveled the circuit thru the late 1930s - 1960s. Birds of a feather flock together.......and wierwille found his shtick in compiling, plagiarizing and marketing the works of E. Stanley Jones (Abundant Living - 1942), to Leonard's foundational class (1953), to E. W. Bullinger's research work (Companion Bible and How to Enjoy the Bible). Unwittingly, this book reveals a paradigm that debunks the myths and mystique of victor paul wierwille.
  6. Greasespot Café and its predecessor Waydale have done an extraordinary service in exposing wierwille's fallacies. The rose-colored glasses have long been removed. Anyone who cares to research the depth of deception, lies, plagiarism, predation and authoritarian control will find an immense body of work here at this GSC-website. Or, like many of the recent corps who exited twi.......one can keep peddling the wierwille "research" and mystique to your kids and Facebook page. Heck, if you don't believe it here.......READ it in mrs. wierwille's book. The dots are easy to connect. Even with this sanitized version, she lays bare the truth that wierwille DID NOT have a spiritual connection with God, nor did he believe the Scriptures. And clearly, wierwille did not have any formulated thought or conception of a class-based ministry UNTIL he sat in B.G. Leonard's class in 1953. BAMM......right there, we uncover one of wierwille's big lies: The Way, Inc was NOT founded in 1942. Why the lies? Why the deception? Why the fraud? Wierwille was NOT what he purported to be. He built his "ministry" from the plagiarized work of others. Wierwille's narcissism was the ruling core of his decisions. This explains the wielding of authoritarian rule and control. No true empathy for others is found in those with narcissistic pathologies. The holy spirit within is not front and center to this man's life. Therefore, he must embark upon lies, deception and fraud. Lies built upon lies. Wierwille claimed (cough, cough) that the Lord sent the "snow-on-the-gas-pumps" (on a sunshine day) and spoke to him to TEACH THE WORD. Yet, wierwille never tells anyone about this event until he tells the corps decades later. Yeah, right??????? This "revelation" was too contrived......a fraudulent mish-mash to add credibility to his plagiarized work. The dots connect. YET.......the newly-exited corps have NO interest in uncovering these lies, deception and fraud. The leaders of splinter groups WANT to keep trekking on the SAME PATH OF BUTTS-IN-SEATS with nary a glance at how or why The Way International came crashing down. Rico and his clergy-lieutenants are now the men in charge!!! They get to stand at the podium and "teach the word" to others. They fly here. They hold classes there. In Montana, they had a camp outing and taught on the birds, animals and creation of God. Ain't it great? ppffftt. Leaders who fell for decades of deception...... .............and now people want to follow THAT? It boggles the mind to see the gullible on display..... Cult-Splinter Insanity .
  7. "Geer does his “Word Promotions” franchises out of Maine, Quillen runs his offshoot out of CFFM in Illinois, and Agent MacMullan helps run SOWERS on his family’s MS farm with V2P2, victor paul wierwille II, JP’s kid." Why do I seem to recall that term *spiritual hitchhikers*.......? Could easily been rephrased as "splinter groups"...... Now, it is AGAIN clear.........why wierwille used this preemptive strike in pfal: Wierwille's ministry work was a splinter of B.G. Leonard's work. Like other preemptive strikes in pfal, wierwille injects this "spiritual hitchhiker" into his class. But rather than address (expose) the full essence of it, wierwille directs its meaning to the new (novice) students who would, in turn, hitchhike off this newfound knowledge. In other words.....projection. Wierwille was projecting onto others what he himself HAD DONE. The Way, Inc was a splinter group.....
  8. Former Corps Coordinators........have joined this splinter masquerade. When wierwille's motor coach parked behind Wierwille Library at Emporia, KS......who facilitated the procuring of corps girls? When martindale visited Camp Gunnison......who did the pimping for him at Cabin 12? Why is it......that ruffians, thugs, goons, spooks and pimps are considered Christian leaders in these new splinter groups? Perhaps......the pfal-doctrine is what masks all of this from view?
  9. Everyday is Halloween in Wierwille's Wayworld...........where ruffians, thugs, pimps and spiritual secret agents masquerade as Christian ministers. How is this not discernable? Behind their masks, the goons appear to be gentle and caring.......not the ruffians and thugs of wierwille's regime. The spooks no longer carry two-way radios to follow direct orders from the authoritarian trustees. Nor do the spooks conceal a 9mm handgun or practice evasive driving skills or train/handle guard dogs. Today, these men are removed from their "former" life at twi........or are they? Geer, Quillen and MacMullan oversee splinter work.
  10. Right before our very eyes......we see the Revival and Restoration Group Phasing in a Splinter. They have those weekly "teachings" that are put on their website........claiming a pseudo-mantle of teaching the word. Now......they are in the process of promoting a camp get-together next June. Then.....they will establish hierarchy in the group and push for a central location. Voila......phasing in a splinter in 3 easy steps.
  11. Yes, Rocky.........personified narcissism. But also.....I would add wantonness to describe this as well. For those who adhere to Christian theology and doctrine...... II Peter 2:18,19 gives a succinct glimpse of wierwille's spiritual state at that time. II Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. II Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. To the Very End.......Wierwille's Wantonness ........ great swelling words of vanity they allure lusts of the flesh they promise others liberty they themselves are the servants of corruption this corruption overcomes others others, are then, brought in to bondage Succinct and poignant. .
  12. Outie......I know. Teaching this wierwille-legacy to the corps was adding leaven to the wierwille doctrine, right? I suppose there are many ways to explain this.......but I see it as cunning craftiness and sleight of men. In other words, this wierwille legacy stuff was IN DIRECT CONFLICT with what true ministers in the church should be teaching and advancing. Namely, true apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors or teachers DO NOT advance or carry doctrine that disrupts the unity of the faith, the knowledge of the Son of God. [Ephesians 4:11-14] And further.....corps coordinators like Moynihans, Forts, and Horneys were complicit in these "winds of doctrine." The corps training.....which I often refer to as corps indoctrination.....had a "green thread" of *wierwille allegiance* running thru this training/tapestry. As best I can tell, it picked up steam after Harry died in the Fall of 1977 and wierwille's days were counting down. His narcissistic visions of self and legacy were of utmost importance.......and thus, the corps coordinators were given their marching orders as well. Then with wierwille's failing health.....it's time to designate a successor to the throne (cough, cough) and herald the October 1982 date as the 40th Anniversary (cough, cough) of his presidency and reign, and step down. The corps program was indoctrinating followers towards unbridled adulation for victor paul wierwille. The corps coordinators were cheerleaders of this counterfeit message. TODAY.......lots of these guys run splinter groups. The subtle messaging is STILL THERE. The Wierwille Mystique is still there..........hiding in plain sight. Thus......many splinters are following an Anti-Christ message.
  13. Perhaps, when this Revival and Restoration Group of corps and followers get together next June......they will study wierwille's old corps notes, pontifications and "prophecies" that he made over the years. Since wierwille was their Patriarch.......his life and legacy is worth studying, right? Blood Lines Matter .........Many of us heard the great swelling words of wierwille's ancestry, heritage and legacy during those campfire settings. That's when, many times, the full-throated bravado came forth. Wouldn't it be good to review this wierwille heritage during this Georgia outing? Detail the bloodline and how God is working thru the ages to bring about his deliverance via the wierwille bloodline and wierwille ministry, right? Johann Heinrich Wierwille (1792-1889) Herman Heinrich Adolph Wierwille (1828-1887) Henry Ernst Wierwille (1875-1956) Victor Paul Wierwille (1916-1985) Donald Ernst Wierwille (1940-2000) .....[passed over for LCM-ministry & leadership] .....Loy Craig Martindale (1948- ) .....[given mantle.....but ousted from twi] .....Luke Summerv!ille ............................[false prophecy, never twi's 3rd president] .....Rosalie Fox Shumate Rivenbark ..... [took over as twi's 3rd president] ...........where did all the wierwilles go? ............why did the legacy fall flat? Many of us sat for HOURS AND HOURS listening to victor paul wierwille ramble on about the wierwille legacy. Dotsie writes a book and fluffs up the first paragraph with bloviating wierwille ancestry. All of it went SPLAT. Will the Real Victor Paul Wierwille please stand up.....er, come clean. Will the former corps coordinators please explain their complicity in this fraud? Next June would be a good time to come clean.......with Georgia on my mind.
  14. Remember........wierwille used Summer Camps to groom his followers BEFORE the corps program. Just saying......
  15. Gee........lookie here. NOW......the R&R group is also planning to have a spend-time-with-us-in-nature's-playground extended weekend in June, 2020. You mean to tell me that these guys have FINALLY come to realize that always demanding butts in chairs NEEDS SOMETHING ELSE? Does this help their agenda.......or, simply mask its intent? ~~~~~~~~~ The Mystery Living and Real: EPHESIANS This Christian gathering is open to anyone who would like to enjoy a time of Biblical study, live music, outdoor activities, and fellowship with one another. The focus of the event is seeing God’s plan for believers as members in particular to be joined together and function fully in the Body of Christ. Stay awhile and take the opportunity to explore the gardens, hike, fish, bike, enjoy water sports, and much more. Special room rates are available June 21-30, 2020 Save the Date June 24-27, 2020 “Therefore, rejecting all falsity and being done now with it, let everyone express the truth with his neighbor, for we are all parts of one body and members one of another.” Ephesians 4:25 (Amplified) Callaway Gardens Callawaygardens.com Pine Mountain, Georgia Housing: Cottages, Lodge, Hotel Rooms, and Suites Airport is: Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Registration Opens: January 1, 2020
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