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    Wierwille's 1958 Fledgling Splinter Group

    "If we could get another 6 families interested in our local group meetings who would join with us week after week in fellowship as well as the giving of their tithes for this work and ministry we would have a greater group than we have even now." There are so many things nauseating about wierwille's solicitation letter......but this quote is extremely nauseating and calculating. Let's see......Average median household income X 10% (tithe) X 6 (household incomes) = amount needed to adequately pay expenses and wierwille's salary Not 5 families.......6 families who will faithfully give their weekly tithe What ever happened to looking to God......to do exceeding abundantly above all that you ask or think (calculate in your pea brain)? I've said this several times.......Mrs. Wierwille's book debunks the myths and mystique of victor paul wierwille.
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    Wierwille's 1958 Fledgling Splinter Group

    "We are free, we can walk in love and in unity with those who want to love us and walk with us. We are free to change when God's Word shows us where we must change. Oh what a joy to be free and to walk in liberty." Oh, yeah......we can walk in love and unity ..........NOW that we started a SPLINTER GROUP.
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    Wierwille's 1958 Fledgling Splinter Group

    Three ways to garner support: Stay in Van Wert ...... and hope to pick up some church congregants Stay in communication with Leonard........and pick off some of his support Move operation to wierwille homestead......and utilize harry wierwille's support
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    Wierwille's 1958 Fledgling Splinter Group

    Yeah........and wierwille is STILL siding up with B.G. after taking [and stealing] his foundational class in 1953. Here, in 1958.......wierwille heads up to Canada for a week at a Missionary Convention. In attempts not to be cynical about wierwille's motives.......I cannot help but think that wierwille was meeting with Leonard and others to sway them into his organization. Struggling to stay afloat, wierwille was ON THE MOVE to find more people to weekly tithe to his fledgling work. Later, Leonard found out that wierwille was NOT working alongside him......BUT splintering from him and teaching Leonard's class as his own. Leonard was mad ...........and started copyrighting after that.
  5. Mrs. Wierwille's book documents the struggles and challenges of their fledgling splinter group [from B.G. Leonard's class and teachings]......after leaving the Van Wert Church in 1957. And, like most splinter groups who are strapped for cash and reaching out for ANY MONETARY SUPPORT THAT THEY CAN FIND.......wierwille did the same. When the wierwilles left the church pastorate, they found housing at 649 South Washington Street, still in Van Wert......[when you don't have much money, or much of a plan......you don't move far]. This house was the Queen Anne style with a three-story round tower with fretted windows. Back then, wierwille utilized letter writing as one of the main tools for solicitation of support and funds. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ [p. 228] November 5, 1958 Dear Friend in Christ: Greetings to you from Headquarters in the Name of Jesus Christ......... ......... From November 18th to 25th I will be with B.G. [Leonard] in Canada for a Missionary Convention. Eric Watson will be back from his 7 months afield and the big news is he is getting married to Mona Nelson, one of B.G.'s Congregation. Enroute to Calgary I will stop at Denver to meet with Dr. Stemme of Burton College and Seminary to discuss with him The Way Biblical Seminary. Thanksgiving is on Thursday, November 27th. I will be back for Thanksgiving and I was wondering if you would like to have a special Thanksgiving Service that night at Headquarters? If we could get another 6 families interested in our local group meetings who would join with us week after week in fellowship as well as the giving of their tithes for this work and ministry we would have a greater group than we have even now. Although I sure thank God for your faithfulness and you know I have to teach whenever and wherever God opens doors. Some weeks and months our people are gone a great deal, but I know I do, and others do the same, even when we are out teaching we arrange for our tithe to be in every Sunday night. When it comes to our expenses to operate Headquarters I have complained only about the light bill from Ohio Power. They charge us commercial rates which is morally not fair as far as I am concerned but they are a utility monopoly and they have legal rights backed by the Utilities Commission of Ohio so what can we do. I have also been thinking about putting the Wierwille family back on an $80.00 a week schedule, but to be real truthful to try and run our family of 7 of us on much less than a hundred and to maintain the dignity that we as leaders of The Way must have, because of the nature of our position, it would be real difficult. We as a family apparently have many obligations which a similar sized family would not necessarily have. Well we have no complaints only thanksgiving. I have never felt better in my life, in the work of Christ than I feel now. We are free, we can walk in love and in unity with those who want to love us and walk with us. We are free to change when God's Word shows us where we must change. Oh what a joy to be free and to walk in liberty. Another thing I know is true that if we would have our Bible teaching fellowship on Sunday Morning instead of Sunday Night we would have many more in attendance. Having a family I know what a chore it is to get the children out and ready on Sunday Night when they should be put to bed early. But, we are a pioneering group and as such we many at times have to push ourselves to do certain things that the more or less nominal Christians would not do. Well God bless you for your prayers and help for The Way ministry and the whole cause of Christ. Sincerely, In His Service, Victor Paul Wierwille ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ As a fledgling splinter group started in 1957........and NOT the 1942 myth of twi's starting date........wierwille was grasping for ways to keep from drowning. Why is any of this important? Who really cares after all these years? BECAUSE.......it's the same thing that every splinter group does Splinter cults claim love and liberty.....from what they left behind How about a Thanksgiving Night Service? Sound familiar? No damn it.......I spend time with MY FAMILY on Thanksgiving The Way Ministry was a splinter group............and went thru the fits-and-starts of a fledgling operation with no money or support. When one reads thru Mrs. W's book, one of the most salient points throughout is the struggle for money. And, when talk of "A Permanent Headquarters at the Wierwille Homestead" was bantered about in 1959.......a schism arose by those who did not trust vic and harry to keep the farm operation [money] separate from the ministry. The first "twi-exodus" ensued......... So, what does every splinter group do? Teach, teach, teach........and find people to give, give, give. Build the cult.....er, charitable ministry whose main, and only, mission, is "to teach the Word (cough, cough)." No help or support to community events or services. No help to food drives. No help to Red Cross. No help to homeless shelters. No help to spouse abuse services. Hock the classes and teachings as secret, spiritual insight. Same old, same old......every splinter cult does it. They want to get you in ANOTHER splinter group as fast as possible. Many corps leaders still want to leverage their power over others. These corps leaders want to CONTINUE the ruse. Who ordered the code red?
  6. In this figurative, hypothetical situation............several questions surface: Why do I feel a need to approach this "dog" in the first place? What breed is this "dog?".......Rottweiler, Labrador, Havanese, what? Where is this "dog" ...... on the street or at his home? If this "dog" is on his own property.........why am I there? ....... Frankly speaking......after 40 years in twi, maybe it's time to stay away from dogs.
  7. Welcome back...... Mr. Bob Moynihan Mr. Michael Fort Mr. Ed Horney Mr. Rico Magnelli Mr. Tom Knupp etc. .........to the land of mere mortals.
  8. December 1978 Corps Letter What was happening in December 1978? Why were clergy leaving twi? [ Shortly after Jim Jones and Jonestown Cult mass murder ] Note: 1) The "great accuracy of the Word" and 2) the principles of The Way Ministry are interlocked !! If you LEAVE twi......you LEAVE the word. ~~~~~~~~~~~ "Some I ordained have not remained faithful -- they've broken fellowship with God and the household of The Way. Yet, I was good enough, loved God and you enough, and you were blessed and honored enough to accept God's ordination and my blessing. Breaking of ordination commitments has made me very hesitant about future ordinations. What should I do?" "Why all the problems? I think you know what I mean? Fighting and dislike of each other -- jealously, prejudice, divorce, remarriage, dope, etc. etc. etc. God forbid that our ordinations of Way Corps grads turn into a mockery, and a laughingstock of the community." "The least you could do if you were ordained and now you're outside the household of The Way is never to used the term 'Reverend.' If you're still sticking in the household of The Way but you've neglected the loyalty commitment to the ordination vows and the exciting, continuing fellowship of it, build up your life on the Word and believe again in the great accuracy of the Word, and principles of The Way Ministry, that your ordination may again be meaningful."
  9. So.......how much divergence of the wierwille-doctrine can you have and still be considered "a wierwille follower?" Muddy the waters all you want..........but if you weren't in "The Way" then you were out of fellowship. As ex-corps, can you throw away all the corps letters and teachings .........and still be deemed in the top tier of spiritual status? If the corps.....er, ex-corps don't uphold the standards that wierwille taught.......then, advanced class grads and ex-corps are on EQUAL footing. Umm...............same goes for ex-reverends. You can't claim reverend status and refute/rebuff the source of that claimed status. How much can you dismiss and water-down.......before you become unrecognizable as a splinter cult of twi? When the heavy-handedness is removed and questions enter the fray........who holds the authority over all the others? As more questions surface about wierwille and/or his teachings.......do they get a fair hearing or harsh confrontation? Sound doctrine should be able to withstand an onslaught of questions.......from every angle. Sound practice should be able to address all the questions regarding wierwille's past plagiarism, predation and pathologies. Now, is the time to separate truth from error.
  10. Yeah.......splinter cults "taking care of each other." The "reverends" stay "reverends." Corps still hold spiritual status and leadership roles in this two-tier system. Rather than align with wierwille-mandates of DFAC (dropped from active corps).....they dismiss vpw's contempt on cop-outs. The splinter cults laud pfal-doctrine..........yet, bury every corps letter (and teaching) that wierwille directed their way. Cognitive dissonance is on parade as these splinter cults fly their flags and wear their masks. And then, others follow them into these splinter cults.......because "churches are evil messengers." OMG.......is this what institutionalized means? Psychosocial perversions, indeed.
  11. Splinter Cults, who elevate wierwille at every turn, are deceivers.......and deceive themselves. How many times did wierwille's prophecies NOT COME TO PASS? The Wierwilles must stand together......or The Word will not live. The corps are responsible for taking care of the wierwille family. The prophecy of Luke Summerv1lle, wierwille's grandson, as the 3rd president of twi. A grand-scale "Family Camp For All Believers" would be built at Camp Gunnison. ..........(etc.) When are splinter cults going to acknowledge that wierwille had scores of false prophecies? /sarc Cherry-picking the things they agree with.......and dismissing the things they don't. To those who've done an honest assessment and review.....the wierwille legacy is in shambles. Blood Lines Matter
  12. Again, imo........the reason why I view splinter cults are worse than twi........is based on my original interest and involvement. It can be succinctly summed up by something that DWBH stated in the thread The Six Stages of Wierwille's Climb to Power: NOW......splinter cults have an inserted LEVEL OF AUTHORITARIAN PONTIFICATORS at the onset. Guys who've been around for 45 years rehashing wierwille teachings and cultclap one-liners at every turn. No thanks. Who wants to be led around by a bunch of 65-year old know-it-alls? The youth have disappeared back into life.....gone baby gone.
  13. Some of these corps coordinators have been "on this treadmill" for 40-45 years. You cannot convince me that they are just willing to have organic, free-spirit home fellowships WITHOUT CENTRALIZED ORGANIZATION. Ric0 Magnell! has his tweaked "foundational, intermediate and advanced courses" up-and-running. He is criss-crossing the country and BUILDING the wierwille-esque model. Bet the farm that the revival and restoration guys envy his fast sprint out of the starting blocks. MLM-courses that every slave/peasant.....er, believer can hock to family and friends. And, tithe....and everything just like a mini-twi. LOL The R&R model is in transition. It has to change. Soon. [To paraphrase a common expression]...............Too many chiefs and not enough Indians
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    Elderly and cults: request for information

    Thanks Penworks. Appreciate it. I would not be surprised if "elderly and cults" has MORE to do with splinter cults than twi. It just seems to me that wierwille's cult was filled with the youth of the 70s. We didn't have a whole lotta seasoned adults leading us on the field. Our ranks were filled with novices and peers. Peers leading peers. LOL.
  15. Wierwille skewered the scriptures at every turn away from the Lord Jesus Christ......and promulgated the First-Century Leaders as "teaching the Word only." Everyone ELSE was there to "serve tables" ...... [ie. do all the manual work so as to accommodate those with double-honor, the elite spiritual heavies]. The corps coordinators were one-dimension removed from mog-mandates..... and thus, the enforcers of wierwille-doctrine. So yeah.....it may not look like it now at these early stages of *revival and restoration*........BUT THE END GAME is to once again restore their "rightful place of honor wherein others serve THEM." Notice on their website that these corps coordinators teach things like "The Philippians Project" or "Imitators of God" [tweaked versions of wierwille-doctrine]......while some other corps are teaching things regarding "Heart, Love, Treasure or Jesus Christ." BEWARE: the corps coordinators are steeped in wierwille-doctrine thru-and-thru and will subtly nudge and indoctrinate all others into THEIR ideology. "Freedom in Christ" is NOT in the R&R dna........because the corps coordinators are AT THE HELM. It's a very subtle distinction, but it's ALREADY THERE for those who have their eyes open. It's baked into the wierwille-doctrine. Give it a couple of years........and watch it evolve.