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Hey Anyone know what happened with the Robins in North St Louis? Also wondering about Mark and Dave Thompson

We were taught in twi that doing Rm 10:9-10 guaranteed us a ticket to heaven when JC returns.

I have been re-thinking this concept lately. Now I think that Rm 10: 9-10 is more like just the beginning of our journey. I have read some of John Bevere's works--especially his fiction book Rescued, which has added more thoughts and musings to this old bird's head.

In my mind I pictured myself at the bema--which in Greek was where an athlete stood to find out if he REALLY won the event or not--they would pronounce whether or not the athlete had disqualified himself in any way and IF he hadn't, then he would receive the prize. Bema was also where the defendant and plantiff (in our terminology) would stand when involved in a court case.

Anyways--I thought about standing before my Lord and Savior who was crucified for me....and wanting to be able to show my faithfulness and thankfulness to JC and God by my actions throughout my lifetime.

Now I am currently exploring the concept of what I guess some would call covenant theology? That our new birth is a covenant or contract with God which entails specific terms being required in order for the contract to not be void.

Anyone else had similiar thoughts or know more about this covenant theology thing?

This thread has beome much more complicated than I was hoping for! I was attempting to find a simple answer. My one question is to Mr Wearword is how can Christ have walked the law of liberty when he was the one who had to fufill ALL of the OT law? (Including being the Passover Lamb.)

Thanks to others for helpful comments.

Thanks WW,

I think that's the part I have been trying to figure out--how much the gospels apply to me now--some of Jesus' parables really can get one to thinking. (Like the one where he sends people away who claim he is their Lord and they had even done works and prophesied in his name.) I have read a book called Rescued by John Bevere and it has brought a lot more questions up for me.

How does one regain their self-esteem, their sense of self-worth, confidence in making our own decisions, taking care of ourselves, asking for help when we need it? How do you / did you get back to the "real you"?

Hey belle,

I am still at the beginning process of this, but I found that I needed to learn how to set boundaries in my life so that I didn't allow ANYone that much access into my personal life again. I have been attending a church--but they have never told me what to do--even when I was asking them questions about beliefs. I guess if someone needs to rediscover themselves, find a supportive, encouraging group of people and then think about what interests you had way back then and find new things to do. I took a personality test and tried to answer questions in light of before twi, during twi and after--It is exciting to see the old enthusiastic me coming back after years of being uptight and depressed!

Ok all. This has probably been asked before, but I figure most of us are constantly re-thinking some of our beliefs. I know Romans says the things that were written aforetime were for our learning. I have some questions about that.

If we go chronologically and not by the cannon/order of our current Bibles, it changes everything. It doesn't actually say in the verse or context what the time period "aforetime" is--we were taught it was before Pentecost. Where did that come from for real? Do you now consider the Gospels pertinent and applicable to you? Most of the Gospels and epistles were all written around the same time, often by some of the same men.

Do you still emphasize mostly the Epistles in your life or do you now refer more often to Jesus Christ's ministry and teachings? If we are supposed to follow Jesus Christ and if we are to make him our Lord, then shouldn't we know what He taught and did? I know I pretty much ignored a lot of the Gospels in twi-we were always teaching about epistles-except when it was December or near Resurrection Sunday

I too have started to read some of John Bevere's books. So far he is the only person I have found that tries to address Matthew 7:21-24. These verses have perplexed me for 3-4 years while I was still an innie and after I have left twi.

Mat 7:21 ¶ Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

If all we have to do is say Jesus is our Lord--then how do these people miss out? (And before someone says it isn't written to us--I no longer buy the ultra-dispensational view of twi.) Knowing of Jesus Christ and knowing him intimately is a lot different.

Preacher,

Where did you do your "time" in WC? Lots of 22's to chose from, so just trying to figure out if I might know you.

I can only whistle backwards. (Breathing in only)

I really like penguins.

I can only snap my fingers with my left hand.

I can't wink--any attempt ends up being a "blink"

I used to be big into punk music and would spike my hair on the weekends when going out clubbing

Me neither--now I am going to be concerned the next 9 days until I finally get to stay at home as mommy!

I pay 170 for infant and 150 for schoolage during summer. We will be just scraping by, but it is worth it!

You know you were in twi too long when everytime you think renting a apt/house you think about if the living room is big enough to hold a fellowship in!

Hey. I got involved a few months after vpw died--but didn't wise up and leave until several years after the lawsuits hit. I wanted to "stay faithful to the ministry that taught me the Word" ya know--so I stayed like a good little waybot. It wasn't until I finally realized that leadership no longer cared about God's kids that I left.

thank you to all of you who prayed. My father was able to pass away at home in his sleep and was able to see his kids and grandkids while he was lucid.

:wub:

Michael Francis Dec 28, 1942 - January 27, 2007

Father, grandfather and brother

In loving memory of a great dad who worked so hard for his family--even with lung cancer he only took off these last 2 weeks.

To all the awesome St Louis cardinal baseball games we watched together. To always being available to talk to. A Dad who was always concerned about his kids-even when we were grown ups. He always wanted us to have more than what he did as a kid. He worried about me while in TWI but never gave up on me and was so excited when I told him I had left twi.

He was a well-loved friend and fellow worker--I am only seeing the beginning of this as friends call and visit.

I wish I had had more time with him and not been so wrapped up in twi for so long. I already miss you Daddy.

Thank you for all your continued prayers. We made it to see him Thursday and he was still somewhat with us then. He passed away yesterday. :(

I will try to post something in memoriam. Looks like we will have services in two places since he wanted to go home to where he was born.

Thanks for all the prayers. Doctor said to see him ASAP--they don't know how much time he has left.

thanks everyone!

ok Here's my question...if TWI was paying tuition for students, Wouldn't it be listed as tuition payments and not actually a donation?

Please pray for my Dad. He has what the doctors are calling terminal cancer. I would like for him to be comfortable. at peace and able to enjoy some of the time he has left. Thanks.

Congrats you 2!!!!!

Awesome! The cafe has been remodeled. Thanks--it looks really cool! :B)

Hey pink lady,

Since you asked, here is my opinion...hang out with your church friends for a while and get exposed to a different viewpoint/different perspective of the Bible than TWI/offshoot brand. Your CFF friends should still be around if you decide to check it out.

I have been to a CFF fellowship and enjoyed it--they were loving and emphasized Jesus Christ more than TWI these days. Probably would have came back if it was closer--but I am enjoying the local church I have found right now. I have been out of twi for about a year and a half.

Exc there's no clouds--but I could name a penguin after you!

I heard just the other day about a similar situation with our local WC and I am not in any of the areas discussed above.

Thanks guys. I will try to stay in the loop better now!