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What's a gig?

well - let's look at the facts that have already been stated:

There's going to be a big-a$$ed party.

Groucho will be officiating with stockings and garters under his robes

I'll be making cheesecake

So when and where is the party? Of course, I'm assuming I'm invited.....

Plans are still underway.

Of course you are invited dear!:B)

Yes Groucho - but just remember we want you to wear your garter belt and stockings under your robe when you officiate the services:

It's gonna be a bad a$ party and no cakes, gowns, robes, jesus visitations - just a godddammmm party - welcome ya'll

However Dooj has conceded that I will make the cheesecakes

We should spare these fine folks a repeat of the cheesecake wars... for now.

I think there should be some Jethro Tull and Moody Blues played as well.

Cool.

Just remember, I've got your back if/when she gets uppity...

Moi? I'm way too short to get uppity.

This is wonderful news! Having had the pleasure of getting to know you a bit, Dooj - I'm delighted for you. Rummie - you're a lucky man!

Dooj - Do you see yourself as a southerner? I wouldn't have described you that way altho you DO live in the south. Guess that makes you a southerner. I love you and am happy for you.

I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE it when good people connect like that!

And Dooj - I've got your back should George ever get uppity!

Bow - I know southerners... and I'm no southerner.

I don't suspect George will get uppity.

What instruments do you both play?

Let's just say we make some mighty fine music.

Well! What news! Congratulations both! Rummie clearly must enjoy delicious Italian cooking. (mmmmm)

And anyway, are we hearing from Dooj in this?

We both cook - and it's ALL delicious.

I feel like I'm 19 again. Thank you all for the well wishes.

(((((Radar)))))

I'm with Bow and Radar. I love spending time with J & HR! And can vouch for the fact that they definitely know how to throw a party.

Hope and I had a blast when she came to stay with me for the Green Day concert here in Orlando. This site (GSpot) is about The Way International. I just don't get why so many of you are obsessed with what others are doing while enjoying life the way that makes them happy and has absolutely NOTHING to do with you and your life. <_<

I don't know J and HR - they may be fine folks. Even not so fine folks know how to throw a party - so if they truly are fine folks - well raise a glass in toast.

Glad you and Hope had a blast. I presume you have good times with many people. Once again - yay for you!

GS is indeed about twi.

However...

While I'm not obsessed, that site does have to do with a part of my life - almost a third to be exact. I chose to join and I chose to leave. Mostly because it wasn't much fun and it was filled with the same type of clique-ishness that marked all things wc and twi. Too many layers of bs on too many pages.

How do you know what percentage of GSers here were wrongly treated by WC? Or on the other hand, how do you know what percentage of GSers would like to contact a WC person and thank them for decent treatment.

Or are you saying that just because you had a good time with these fine folks on more than one occasion that you can vouch for 100% of their actions and motives along with the actions and motives of every person not only on the WC site but also on this site as well.

My main objection to the wc site is that it needs (for whatever reason - be it well-intentioned or not) to be exclusive. That exclusivity causes a feeling that the "elitist thought" is still in existence. Like I said before, lack of accountability is what has long been a trademark of the wc and twi adherents. (Meaning those folks who still think they were right and good in all they did because gawd-awlmighty called them to be wc and told them what to do all the time by all nine.)

Let me ask you something. Just how many wc folks would have joined using their real name if they knew that it wouldn't just be wc? (Or at least mostly wc with a few folks dropping in to give their "bless you's")

Don't you think that the reason there are over 1400 wc members on that site is because of the insulation granted by the exclusivity?

Now some of my friends who are still members have told me that posts on their own blogs have been deleted if they say anything negative about twi. So how much of JR's energy does it take to keep up appearances? And just who is being protected and served?

Isn't it a bit too much like mind control? Granted, JR might indeed be a fine man - but that doesn't make this action fine.

Unless he's Jeezus...

Of course it is. I just wanted to see what little tidbit in history could cause such histrionics.

I was bored, so I typed the words, "Haiti's deal with the devil" into a Google search box. I found this article:

Haiti's deal

I don't know anything about the site - whether it's conservative, liberal, or if the writer is smarter than a fifth grader.

I don't hold any credence on the "deal with the Devil" because if you read the article, the first coup took place with 500,000 slaves fighting 26,000 French and 30,000 affranchis of mixed ancestry. Those kind of odds didn't need any 'ole black magic.

Anyway - I thought I'd add to all this bru ha ha.

What do you say to someone that apparently blames others for every bad thing in his life?

May I make a couple suggestions?

1-get a life

2-get your facts straight

3-get spell check

I am doing just fine thank you

Every bad thing? Really? EVERY? Hmmmmm... I don't read Jeff blaming others very often. Presumably he's got his fair share of BS that occurs to all of us everyday: a-holes cutting us off on the freeway, milk spoiled, twisted an ankle - name your "bad thing." He doesn't mention any of it. You can't even say he blames others for "most" bad things in his life. Heck, other than loosing his wife and son through a messy divorce, I haven't even seen Jeff complain very much about (careful here - the word looks similar to "everything" but with a subtle twist) ANYTHING.

Have you lost anything equally precious in a similar way? If not then I doubt you can stand in judgment.

May I make a couple of suggestions?

1 - get some manners

2 - let people tell their story and vent if they need to

3 - get a good dictionary and use it

I suspect there is more to this interaction than meets the eye. Perhaps you should take a breather before you hang all your stuff out there in public.

Is he on facebook?

I thought he was involved with the S.O.W.E.R.S. ...Perhaps you can find a link and send him an email through that group.

Should we all sing the theme song for Gilligan's island?...or maybe the Love Boat?

...This whole thing gives me the "Willies"...maybe the Coen brothers could do a dark documentary on it...

"Ship of Fools" seems appropriate... but it sure would be a waste of a good song.

Today I heard one reviewer refer to it as "Dances With Wolves" done in CGI - in the future...

Haven't seen it, but my kids liked it.

Relax, Dooj, I was simply discussing the extremes and experiences of myself, my spouse and the people that we had contact with. Biblical sounding teachings to excuse and encourage extreme, offensive, unpleasant and at times dangerous behavior. Thus the *we* mentioned and my opinion as to why it led to mental illness...shrug

No problems. I just think that the more precise the wording of our posts, the more likely they are to help someone.

In Lecturn he was the broken mint and the glass of drambuie.

In Kool Shorties he was the butt.

And another thing...

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Has anyone ever stopped to consider that a "ministry" that prided itself in Biblical research and teaching found a way to systematically teach how to break all ten of the ten commandments?

The Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:2-17 NKJV) 1

"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.

2 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.

3 "You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

4 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

5 "Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

6 "You shall not murder.

7 "You shall not commit adultery.

8 "You shall not steal.

9 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

10"You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's."

Consider how much inner conflict that would create for someone who really sat down and thought about what was going on around them?

Well, I`d say that the way they made *attention to detail* an excuse to indulge in obsessive or controlling behavior, being *spiritually angry* to excuse fits of rage, *renewed mind* to encourage the shutting out of any contrary thoughts or individuality, obedience to leaders even when it was to our disadvantage or even dangerous could certainly lead us into unhealthy mental state.

"Attention to detail" isn't in and of itself a bad thing. If you met an artisan, officer of the law, or even a firefighter you'd agree that attention to detail is why they are successful in what they do. Surely twi took things to an extreme, but it's always necessary to separate the motive from the action.

Yeah, I`d say that we became unable to make our own decisions, completely giving all power over to others, agonizing self recriminations whenever things went wrong because we were taught that we had blown it some how, always anxious trying to out manuver the adversary.

WE?...WE?? Who's "we" kemosabe? many of us- maybe even most of us made our own decision to LEAVE early on. I don't know anyone personally who became unable to make his or her own decisions. I'd say that GSC is full of folks who made their own decision to leave.

These broad stroke claims are a disgrace. Sure, twi was phrucked up - and manipulating - but I refuse to give them credit they don't deserve. I've read plenty of posts where people have said that they knew something was off - and they were waiting for the opportunity to leave. Yes it was a complicated decision - but it was a decision all the same. A decision many if not most of us made on our own.

The fact that we spent years after leaving awaiting the death and destruction from the adversary promised us...agonizing over where God wanted us to be and what was his will, unable to fit into the community, kind of gives one an idea the extent of the damage inflicted.

Just who is "we" here"? I never experienced this nail-biting and waiting for some ghost from Christmas future. I didn't know anyone else who did either. You would do better to speak in much less general terms. It's not honest to do otherwise. You can certainly speak for yourself. You can even say that there are others like you. But to say "we" like it's all the posters at GSC who acted and felt the same way is almost arrogantly presumptuous. BTW - I am not awaiting death - I am enjoying watching my children mature and grow - and OH BTW - I never did wait for "the adversary" to come for me and I never agonized over such a thought set.

The day after I left twi, I got up, fed my family, went to work, came home and made dinner - then cleaned up and slept very well. Maybe I should post something like "we all got up, fed our families, went to work, came home and made dinner - then cleaned up and slept very well." Oh wait... I can't do that - because then I wouldn't be speaking just for myself- I'd be projecting my situation on EVERYBODY ELSE. Now that wouldn't be honest, would it?

If JAL (AKA "The Mouth") had really learned anything at all from the past he would have written a much different letter.

He would have stated plainly that he was as much to blame for the error and sin in both organizations as those he accused. After all, didn't he also partake in the adultery game in TWI? Didn't he also listen to the "prophecies" about Elizabeth? He divorced her because of those prophecies! Oh but he was so-o-o spiritual...(*roll eyes*) that now he can look back and blame others for the very same lies he followed and propounded.

If he were honest about his life and track record, he would ask for forgiveness and continue to live a quiet life - far from the need for glory and recognition that comes with the addiction to "starting a ministry."

Say John, just pay your taxes and make money with a job - it's not so bad.

John,you made a mistake back in the seventies and chose not to work for some big corp like your daddy did. Admit that and at least start living honestly.

As I recall, Paul kept up his ministry under house arrest - no fanfare, no meetings, no begging for allegiance - just living and loving.

I hope the whole house of cards falls apart - for JAL and STFI. Let it topple to the ground and get trampled beyond repair.

*spit*

It's way too long.. why can't he just make his point with one short paragraph..

just what I need.. another epistle to "master" or something..

the raw length of it reeks of egotism..

JAL has always been guilty of talking just to hear his head rattle.

Can't wait for the phone calls to begin...

"_____________ how are you? Remember the great times we had in (name a city or state)?

"You never even talked to me or knew I existed , John."

"Oh but I always loved you!"

This guy has more masks than a Mardi Gras Parade.

He wasn't "just another dirty old man." He was THE "Dirty Old Man of Gawd For Our Day and Time and Hour."

DOMOGFODATAH

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DOMOG for short

creepy, slimy SOB...

"Get on the bus, Gus

Make a new plan, Sam

You don't need to discuss much

Just set yourself free....."

There must be fifty ways to leave your cult....

Has a nice ring to it

An all seeing eye... Like Eye in the Sky?

"Mac Arthur Park" not sure of the artist.

Ex10... you know

You know you're in a screwed up cult when you...

Invade the website designed to speak against said cult instead of spending time doing the things that are supposedly the "things of Gawdawlmighty."