doojable

..."But what's troubling you is the nature of my game" (whoo whoo)

Life is so different now... we have dishwashers!

Brainfixed, I'm not sure if you'll ever read this - but you have totally misread my comments. Totally gotten me wrong.

I'm not sure how or why - but you seem to have the distinct knack to come up with an interpretation of my words that is 180 degrees different from what I mean, and you do so consistently. I don't know what to say or do to make myself much clearer - but you should consider how frustrated you get when people misinterpret your words and realize that you do the same.

While you may be working through your life, please remember that there are others here that are also working through their own stuff.

I hope you find what you're searching for...

Point taken RR. I agree.

I guess I was trying to say that the rules here at GSC aren't in the category of being controlling.

Nearly to the Soap Opera forum. :)

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Well maybe if we post a recipe or two there may be a stop in the kitchen ;)

oh boy i'm not even going to try to do the quote thing so that everybody knows what person i'm responding to so i'm just going to say who i'm responding to because i'm just not that talented ok?

tzaia you keep trying to moot my points and i wonder if you're meaning to say my points are "of little or no practical value or meaning"? because whether you like it or not some of the points i make that you try to moot had meaning to us all at one time or another and still have meaning to many people that read here and are still in the way international and still think way international thoughts and wonder how we survive outside of the way international. but then again it could be that you're using the first definition of moot saying that my points are " open to discussion or debate", in which case it would be great if you followed up your mooting with discussion or debate so that we all may be enlightened.

Brainfixed - I think you're reading too much into Tzaia'a "moot point" comment. I highly doubt she is trying to moot your points. I suspect it's much more likely that she is mocking the things that twi taught - and how the fear they tried to instill about "being outside the hedge of protection" is a moot point (the fear is a moot point) once you realize that there is no hedge of protection to be outside of to begin with. There is no dragon to fear - so the fear of a dragon is a moot point.

lol george, that's pretty much really what it is like here, isn't it? lol

geisha there's a whole dynamic that is being ignored when making such a statement that i truly hope isn't a dynamic that anybody here is wanting to say thrives here, and that is that the owner of this site has set himself up as some sort of father figure that lulls people into trusting him with their very lives as an answer from god.

WHOA! Wait a minute there! Paw sets himself up as a father figure???!!! Uhhhhh.... no. He's never even tried to put himself forth as a father figure. Maybe you've gotten that idea from the nickname/screen name "Paw" from "Pawtucket" but in no way, shape or form has Pawtucket lulled people into trusting him with their very lives for an answer for anything. If anything, Paw has been fairly hands off and steps in only as a last resort. He seems to realize that lots folks need to vent in lots of different ways and he allows it - up to a point.

the whole motorcoach thing was never about friendship and caring about anybody. the correlation cannot even be made here unless anyone wants to set up the owner of this site as the same type of perpetrator as the owner of the motorcoach, and the participants of this site as the same type of followers, and the purpose of this site as the same type of cult. do you seriously equate being drugged and raped to being dissed on a website? if so, then you and i don't just look at things from different angles, you and i are worlds apart.

The "motorcoach thing" was about betrayal. der Victoid betrayed the girls he drugged because they trusted him to know better and to do better and to teach them better. The context of RR's statement has nothing to do with rape and sexual abuse.

I don't put my life out there for all to read, and I never will. I will say that one day when I was particularly down and wishing life were different and going through the "if only...hadn't done... things would be different..." my aunt stopped me dead in my tracks and told me that there were people in the world who had a much harder life and had overcome. "From this moment on your life is YOUR'S! No excuses. No blaming anyone else," is what she said to me. That woke me up.

I would never minimize the severity of sexual abuse - or any abuse for that matter. I hope it doesn't appear that that's what I'm trying to do now. However, I suspect that for you to have overcome in any sense of the word, you have had to work at not making everything in your life somehow relate to being abused. I suspect that you don't make everyone in your life pay for what someone else did years ago. I never read the motorcoach statement as pointing to rape or abuse, nor does it connect this site or the owner of the site to rape or abuse.

I don't mean to offend - just to offer some food for thought here...

as for the whole "rules surrounding the giving and receiving of gifts" it's something people don't pay enough attention to and it's something that gets people into problems in interpersonal relationships before they even know what's hit them. how gifts are given and received are at the base of how relationships are built or torn apart and for some reason people tend to think that if they give somebody something then they have also bought into that person's life a little bit in that there is now an expectation about what happens with that gift even if it's just getting a thank you for the gift or a displaying of the gift or a taking care of the gift. i can't believe you were in the way international and missed the whole thing about gift giving in the etiquette lessons? maybe i got them because my brother and my sister were corps? i don't know but there were reams of paper with rules and rules and rules about gifts that were really about how to control people with gifts. anyway i really did have to get therapy to unlearn that crap and to find out that the way international didn't have a corner on the control people with gifts market.

In my life I have received "gifts" with strings attached - and no they don't feel like gifts. BUT - I believe that geisha was saying that GSC is a gift to many in a figurative sense in that there is a place to talk and argue and vent - and yes the rules of society apply here.

Just my POV on what's been going on...for what it's worth...

so what would be helpful? for one just stop trying to help because there really is no help that anyone can provide because this is something only professionals or ourselves can help, and professionals really can't do all that much really. for another thing recognize that this is permanent damage. it's not like a broken bone that will heal or a cut that just leaves a little scar or even like having your tonsils out and another body part will cover what the tonsils did. this changed how the brain functions, how the understanding functions, how the body functions and how the emotions function. if it happened as a child it changed how the child developed completely and in every way including motor skills, reasoning skills, problem solving skills, bone development, brain development, reproductive development (and more and more it's being realized that it's not just "growth hormones in meat" that is causing children to go into puberty earlier and earlier, but that a whole lot of it can be explained by childhood sexual abuse, but that's not a "popular" thing to expose it's also not a popular result to find in studies if you want to get funded for your next study), and is even at the root of many learning disabilities for far too many children. another thing that can be done is let people have their anger over it all. this is something to be really mad about! it messes people up and it messes people up for a long, long time! if you don't like to think that it does, or if you don't think it should and you want to say so then remember that saying so is a two-way street because taking somebody's ability to say so was one of the worst things that was taken from us so let us say so if we want to, ok? and then remember that it's scary as hell.

Thanks for this insight.

yah and it's called "detachment" and it's a way of keeping a person from having to actually cope with reality, which is why i said it wasn't the phrasing but the mentality because it's so the way international all over again and again and again.

From Wikipedia:

Emotional detachment, in psychology, can mean two different things. In the first meaning, it refers to an inability to connect with others emotionally, as well as a means of dealing with anxiety by preventing certain situations that trigger it; it is often described as "emotional numbing" or dissociation, Depersonalization or in its chronic form Depersonalization disorder. In the second sense, it is a type of mental assertiveness that allows people to maintain their boundaries and psychic integrity when faced with the emotional demands of another person or group of persons. These senses are within the framework of psychology and academia, not those of everyone else in the world.

Isn't detachment a defense mechanism that helps a person to protect himself (herself) rather than to misdirect others? If the above definition is correct, the second definition could be a good thing.

oh, and someone said something along the lines, "why are you blaming US" for this person ?

why is there even an US ?

i felt empathy. is that so bad ?

i remembered this place and how much it helped me

read the STUPID OPENING POST and see how accusatory i was to US

your answers are more revealing than you even realize

you drive me CRAZY with your research and posting skills

and if i'm the cultist in my head because of what i'm saying, OKAY. i guess i never got healed here, but thank god because i was never promised that

and now i can doubt my own friggin voice

No you didn't really make any accusations in your first post. However, you have more than made up for that in your latest posts.

Just a thought here...

If I remember correctly, you were on Trancechat and Waydale before there even was a GSC. I've been told that Trancechat was a "gloves off" "anything goes" kind of place. You stuck around through that forum and through Waydale. The point is YOU STUCK AROUND. Whatever voice you found, you found because you didn't run off and hide when things got rough.

On the other hand, there is no cookie cutter answer that says that just because participating in this site helped anyone that it will help the next person. This place may not be the same that it was seven years ago. Then again, how many people do you know that are the same way they were seven years ago? What can you say is unchanged in the past seven years? Okay - those of us with kids can say we loved them then and we still love them now - but even those relationships have gone through changes.

I would like to know (not by name-) who the person in question is and why she felt she could not find her voice here. However, I'm much more concerned that that person find their voice somewhere - the location doesn't matter.

How loving...

ok! thank you for doing that line by line thing and considering what i said. i'd do it but the only time i can get that to work is when it happens accidentally and i think i'm doing two posts but then it ends up as one post with two quotes from two different people and it looks like i know what i'm doing but i don't. :) the things i talked about were not rhetorical but were asked for discussion purposes because it was being said nobody promised friendship or healing or anything from this place except the stated purpose of this place (and i stand corrected here) "the other side" of the way international story (and if i got that wrong again please correct me again), so why was anybody complaining if they didn't find anything but "the other side" of the way international story?

my point was yah maybe nobody was "promised" anything here but from the thousands of posts here that "allude" to the "possibility" of finding friendships, finding compassion, finding your voice, finding healing, well damn what else could somebody conclude if they maybe one day get tired of the isolation of the cult, get tired of the "silence of the lambs" (that might be copyrighted somewhere so i'm sorry but it so fits to describe what happens at the way international), get so tired of having only "approved" discussions that after "lurking" and maybe getting some "warm fuzzies" from some of the camaraderie around here in some of the more "tame" areas maybe they jumped in and said the only thing they knew and that was cult-speak and whammo blammo that's the last of their "little girl panties" and their butt and their pubic hairs and their willingness to chance things outside of the "hedge of protection" for a little while at least.

and wait a minute here, didn't you just say that you came here to find some old friends and made some new ones and even found your voice here? how you did that shouldn't be a cookie cutter recipe for how others do it, should it? i dunno, but if it should be, how does that make this place any different from the way international in the end because at first the way international wasn't malignant from what i understand? and really these pages are full of people finding friendships here, finding their voice here, finding healing here, finding a new thought process here, so why shouldn't people actually expect these things for themselves from coming here and participating without having to go through some sort of "hell week" (or maybe i should say "l.e.a.d. week" or "corps week") first?

and that's what i think was the point of the beginning of this discussion.

and i'm editing this to add that this discussion has made me realize that i've participated in that whammo blammo stuff and i'm sorry i've done that.

I came here originally because of the "Friends" forum.

I don't think that there are any cookie cutter answers out there. Some folks came here for the express purpose of exposing twi and all it's nastiness.

I think that cults/religion bring out the best and worst in people. The best because for the most part religion offers some sense of right and wrong and compassion. The worst because all people have a nasty side that just seems to get cultivated to extreme when you attach some sense of righteous indignation to it.

I don't think twi was ever good - just that we (individually) thought it was good when we signed the green card.

There are a lot of concepts that are pretty sound that got twisted and perverted under the cult mentality. The idea that you have to make the most of any given situation got twisted to "where's your believing?" I've had to work at not having a knee-jerk reaction just because a phrase or feeling makes the hairs on the back of my arms stand at attention.

Gotta run... have a good day.

Okay... I'll talk address the points of this post.

does anybody really truly honestly think that the the things put forth that started this discussion were about the "truth about the way international" and all that? really?

I can't speak for others - but I don't. The first post says why the thread was started and the discussion ensued. I think (but I'm not sure) that the main point that is being debated is whether or not the GSC community is responsible for some people not being able to "find their voice."

I would like to put forth that GSC is the result of many people finding their voices - collectively. I think of joining a forum the same way I think about entering traffic on a freeway - you have to get up to speed up and get in there and drive (or speak.)

The starting point may be "the truth about TWI" -( really it's "telling the other side of the story..." )but the end result is that once you learn to speak your mind and open up and get stuff off your chest that you've been holding inside - whether it's questions or situations - is that you find your voice. While anyone finding their own voice is good for them - it's a sure thing that NOT everyone will be happy with everyone else's voice being heard or spoken. There will be conflicts.

I haven't said anything earth shattering...

and does anybody really truly honestly think that the only thing that gets discussed or goes on around here is always just about the "truth about the way international" and all that? really?

I can't speak for others - but I don't.

There are games, recipes, jokes, general weirdness and the stuff that goes with being human. Then again, I don't recall a claim being made that the only thing discussed is "the truth about the way international."

Again - nothing earth shattering...

and does anybody really truly honestly think that the it is just a simple little old side effect of telling the "truth about the way international" that some people find their voice here, and that some people find healing here, and that some people make friends here? really?

Yes and no. A lot of folks joined GSC not because they wanted to "tell the other side of the story" or even hear it. A lot of folks (me included) joined for the sole purpose of finding some old friends. I did end up finding old friends and making new friends with the bonus that I found my voice - but that came from jumping in the discussions and taking a few knocks on the chin from doing so. Yes that is "healing" if you want to call it that. Now - did I get healed of some disease because of GSC? No. I did find that I had some things to change. That came from interacting with other folks who had been there and done that.

Yet again - nothing earth shattering...

and does anybody really truly honestly think that the only thing important about this place is telling the "truth about the way international"? really?

I can't speak for others - but I don't.

because if that be the case then this place has long outlived its reason for anything but archival existence and everybody participating in all these discussions on a daily basis are taking up a lot of time and money and work for no particular reason at all except to keep this place on top of the search engines.

I don't agree with your statement. But that's your opinion and you're entitled to it.

and that may be the point of the circular arguments around here.

I don't agree.

Nothing earth shattering here either folks, move along...

boy do i feel duped all over again.

I don't understand what this statement refers to. Feeling "duped" usually follows being tricked into something.

Initially, I didn't comment on the rest of the post because I felt that all the previous points were for other folks to answer for themselves - internally. The questions read like rhetorical questions meant to make folks think. My thoughts weren't really necessary. I only posted them here because you seemed to think I had some ulterior motive or need to control or trick...

I don't.

I don't know you and you don't know me. I ask questions because I want to understand where a person is coming from rather than make broad generalized statements. TWI was famous for making such statements.

So when I read:

i started to answer this question and then i thought "wait a minute here, isn't this the same person that picked out one line of a whole post of mine and ignored the rest of it?" and then i thought "wait another minute here, isn't this the same old same old "answer a question with a question" corps tactic my brother and sister always used on me to control me and avoid controlling themselves?" well i guess that means i'd rather you consider the things i have to say before you jump to another tactic. and those are my feelings about what you've been saying and that doesn't mean i'm right or wrong but just that's the way i feel.

The one line I picked out was the only question I had. I didn't ignore any of the rest of your post - I simply didn't feel that I had anything to add or say about the rest of the post. I really wish you would ask me something rather than make a statement that is also an insult.

The way you feel is the way you feel. Period. That makes it important to you. The fact that you say how you feel here on this forum means that you either have found your voice or are in the process of doing so. I happen to agree with you on some matters and disagree with you on others. C'est la vie.

I was in TWI as a young adult through my thirties. I had a much different time in than you did. When I was in - the way to control someone was to assume you knew something because you had revelation. Lots of bad assumptions became bad rumors and ruined lives because no one bothered to simply ask and listen. Now in my book, that's controlling someone. I won't do it. If that means you want to assign some bad motive to my asking a question - so be it - but I would rather tick you off because I don't want to assume I know something than make an accusation that ends up becoming a rumor.

Now, I think I've gone full circle as to the point of this thread...

*EDITED TO ADD* I think I've fully (and publicly) considered your post and your feelings. I'll keep considering your feelings Please return the favor.

and does anybody really truly honestly think that the it is just a simple little old side effect of telling the "truth about the way international" that some people find their voice here, and that some people find healing here, and that some people make friends here? really? and does anybody really truly honestly think that the only thing important about this place is telling the "truth about the way international"? really?

Just wondering... why do you think that some people here find healing and/or make friends?

some people here are so snooty and i-don't-know-what

have the nerve to justify it with logic

i won't even bother to go on

damn, i just wanted to note that i concur

So you think that there were promises made when you joined GSC?

I'm not sure who or what you're referring to as "snooty."

Justify what with logic?

Perhaps you should stick to your own words and let everyone else speak for themselves.

does anybody really truly honestly think that the the things put forth that started this discussion were about the "truth about the way international" and all that? really? and does anybody really truly honestly think that the only thing that gets discussed or goes on around here is always just about the "truth about the way international" and all that? really? and does anybody really truly honestly think that the it is just a simple little old side effect of telling the "truth about the way international" that some people find their voice here, and that some people find healing here, and that some people make friends here? really? and does anybody really truly honestly think that the only thing important about this place is telling the "truth about the way international"? really?

because if that be the case then this place has long outlived its reason for anything but archival existence and everybody participating in all these discussions on a daily basis are taking up a lot of time and money and work for no particular reason at all except to keep this place on top of the search engines.

and that may be the point of the circular arguments around here.

boy do i feel duped all over again.

Why do you feel duped?

Were you promised something if you posted here?

Did someone tell you about this site and say it had magical powers?

Or did you make a free will decision to read and post?

Just wondering... Not accusing at all - but you sound like you were somehow tricked into participating here.

sometimes when i write things here i write so many things that what i'm trying to say gets lost in what i'm writing because i have so many things i want to say running around in my brain at the same time and i think i want to look at this very first thing said on this discussion and see some things again.

"i talked to someone today who was in for almost 30 years and out less than five"

that's a pretty big statement when i stop to think about it because that means the person was probably in for the majority of their adult lives or even all but 5 years of their adult lives. can anybody imagine what that means? if it hadn't been for school or my other parent i wouldn't have known what the outside world was like at all because tv and newspapers and unbelievers were not allowed my one parent's home or discussions or life. i knew kids that didn't go to school and were "tutored" at home and they had no clue about things like who was the president of the united states or even big bird (sesame street was full of devil spirits, does anybody remember that?). i can't imagine what it would be like for somebody to spend most of their adult lives in the way international and suddenly find themselves cut lose from that and out in the real world and not under the "umbrella of protection". it must be insane for them to function among people that don't obey leadership or jump to commands of other people or answer to others about their every minute of every day scheduling. the very idea of what to do with the suddenly found free time is probably scary as hell, but having fear surely must be proof they made a bad, bad decision, isn't it? but there's nobody there to tell them one way or the other.

"why do we think others are where we are ?"

that's a valid question for here because i felt and still feel that expectation often if i say things that don't quite "fit in" here.

"and even if they don't please us (or "line up with us") in their particular place in their path, why doesn't compassion rule ?"

well? it's a valid question. it has nothing to do with "meeting needs" and it has nothing to do with "the purpose of this site" and it has nothing to do with anything but is just a valid question in my opinion, and it is particularly valid considering that totally compassionless cult called the way international we all came from.

It's entirely possible that the person in question got "in" when they were 18, spent 30 years in (til he/she was 48) and now, nearly 5 years later, is 53. It makes little difference. My point is that it's very easy to "project" our feelings and situations onto someone else.

BUT - if that's the case (that the person is now 53) then all the following scenarios you stated don't apply.

On the point of compassion - sometimes (note that I said sometimes) the most compassionate thing you can do is give someone a verbal slap in the face to wake them out of their stupor.

I think the reason the mission of the site keeps getting repeated is that this has never been put forth as a place to heal Granted, people have found healing but only through hearing and telling the other side of the story.

In my case, the only way I could find my own voice was to engage in the heated discussions. There was great freedom in expressing a differing opinion and having to defend it. I realize everyone has their own journey, but perhaps there is more than one person here that found their voice in the same manner I did.

Lots of conjecture. Lots of "what ifs" and "if onlys"...

Does that usage of "meeting needs" make some bristle because it's a TWI phrase?

No, not really. The phrase is immaterial, as far as I'm concerned. What makes me bristle is the concept that something (or someone) is supposed to be the magic potion to fixing problems. We signed a green card because of that mentality. People make all sorts of poor choices due to that mentality - from buying a car based on the promise that it will make you sexier to following some guy who promises health and prosperity (after he gets his, of course.)

So back to the beginning of the thread...

it took me YEARS to even TRY TO express what happened to me in the way, and i'm fairly certain it's "old news" to most people here

i talked to someone today who was in for almost 30 years and out less than five

they have been trying and trying to "find their voice" -- greasespot hasn't been helpful

If a person really needs to find their voice and GSC isn't helpful, well then, that person should find what helps him or her find his or her voice - GSC or not. I'd say that GSC is a place where folks can use their voices - but even a cursory reading before signing up told me that I had better go get my armor.

Is that bad? I don't think so. All it means is that I wanted to enter a community where others were used to disagreeing with each other - rather rambunctiously, I might add. BUT - the freedom they exercised in expressing themselves was ...invigorating, funny, witty, and thought-provoking all at the same time.

The moment I rely on someone or something to meet a need for me - I offer the possibility that someone or something else can control me.

I dunno...

Wanna' find your voice? Do what helps.

Wanna use your voice? Come to GSC and speak your mind, without fear of your "needs" being withheld like some ransom.

Shellon was the one who brought up meeting needs. I said that I thought it would be beneficial to meet people where they are, which is different from meeting needs.

True Tzaia. I've seen other threads talk about "meeting needs." Even if that set of words weren't strung together, the concept was alluded to early on in the thread.

BTW - I wasn't directing my post to you or anyone in particular - just the concept.

Isn't this ridiculious to discuss whether or not this site meets ones needs or not? It's been made CRYSTAL clear what this site is for, what Paw's intentions are, what is and isn't tolerated here.......

over and over and over and.......Gawwwwwwwwd

If someone doesn't like this site, last I checked this was The United States Of America, thus giving us a fair amount of freedom.

The ones that bi+ch about whether or not this site does what they think it should, I suggest they go somewhere else. Why in the heck be someplace you don't want to be?

If it doesn't have the variation, the threads, the whatever it is you want, start a thread, kick in your ideas, make suggestions, put on your big girl panties, grab your sack and do something about it. Start a forum and find out what it's like, volunteer to help Paw do stuff around here, DO something constructive.

I never recall gossip and back biting getting anything accomplished.

Don't like it here, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.

Why should it be any different than real life, not happy, go do something else.

"Meet needs?" WTF?

I left the mentality of something (or someone) meeting my needs long ago. That seems like a recipe for inviting someone else's control. Sites might serve a purpose in my life - for a period of time, but never meet my needs. Perhaps the concept of should be considered suspect. Afterall, it was TWI that instilled in us the concept of something meeting our needs: a class, an advance, a program, a MOG....

Been there, done that, got the t-shirt and turned it into a dusting rag, Thank you very much.

Shellon,

Life has kept me very busy lately, but I stopped in and read your story. Words fail to really describe my emotions here.

The road to freedom and expressing freedom has some real twists and turns - doesn't it?

Thank you for putting your story out there.

dooj

Doojie - would you mind repeating the recipe you use for your girlies, or providing a link to it? and thanks!

The recipe is simple:

60% meat/eggs - I used ground turkey and hard boiled eggs - NOT over cooked - you can make it raw - but I wasn't that brave

20% grain - I used oat bran soaked in water for 24 hours (1 part bran to 2 parts water- so if I used 1 cup of bran it would end up being 2 cups soaked)

20% raw veggies - I used zucchini and carrots - shredded in a food processor You can also use broccoli - but I only added broccoli when I had some extra

I made this in batches big enough to last a month and froze it in 3/4 cup portions in zip lock bags. I thawed it out in the fridge. They loved it. I also made up a mineral mix that lasted months - but I'd have to really search for that recipe. It included brewer's yeast, calcium powder, wheat bran, kelp, some vitamin B-12 tablets, and some other things - but I don't recall the other items and I'd have to really search for the recipe - give me some time and I'll post it.)

I agree. This is a urinary tract infection. She needs to see a vet. This starts out with unproductive litter visits and progresses to crying out while weeing - and blood in the urine. It can get bad VERY quickly.

I also agree with not feeding dry food to the girlies. You already know the recipe I made for years. I had the healthiest cats with the prettiest coats - for less that a premium "scientific" dry food would have cost.

The good news is that treatment is relatively easy.

Ask your vet for hints on the regular dosing - it's easy to do buy hard to describe in writing - better to see a real life demo.

"Anyone can be a fisherman in May."

WAG here ....

"A River Runs Through It"?????

C'mon...be honest...how many of you guys believe even one lousy thing that came out of the piehole of Vic the lowlife Wierwille? Believing equals receiving? If you believe THAT one, you need professional help...the rest of it? The louse lost all credibility with me years ago...

I see too many people paying lip service to "Doc's doctrines"...the guy was as phoney as a trombone player with a hair lip...(whatever that means )...C'mon, you guys don't still believe any of that crap...do you?

I don't believe that stuff. In fact, stopped debating that piffle stuff a while back. I realized that it just wasn't worth repeating anymore - even in the name of debunking it.

Call it artificial intelligence.

Welcome to the Matrix,,,

Yeah...I see the pic of the okie with the forehead. He hasn't aged well...I noticed that his bio was "unavailable"...gee, I wonder why? What would it say?...Narcisstic, loud mouthed, egotistical predator of women? Former cult leader with delusions of grandeur?...how about bulls h*t artist and bully?

...not only the president but also a client?

So maybe his education profile should read:

BA in BS