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Tonto:

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1983: Wasn't this the year Ted blew out his knee and Craig "ministered" to him for his heart, and you could hear Ted telling him "it's my knee"? THAT was worth the price of admission.

What was that all about?

also.any bets on the ROA ever happening again? Think it could be done?

I would wonder if them not being considered "members" would have anything to do with how they might fight it

tsk-tsk unions are of the debil -->

http://insidehighered.com/news/2005/05/13/carroll a College faculty union drive by the UAW: "And on the religion question, the decision noted that the Presbyterian Church does not own the college or its facilities, appoint trustees, set the curriculum or campus rules, or play a role in hiring. So the ties to a religious group, the ruling said, did not come close to where a union election would raise First Amendment issues."

In other words TWI could (perhaps?) fight unionization saying it denies them 1st ammendment rights?

well, im no lawyer

Hrm. I wonder how many things happened that wouldn't be viewed in a kind light.

Were staffers paid over time? Holiday Pay?

Had anyone ever contacted or threatened to contact the U.S. Department of Labor or other agencies regarding long work hours or poor conditions at TWIt?

I was thinking about this when I was reading the ROA posts about hot grease. -->

guess his dove fell off the suit

Belle, thanks for this. I am excited to read the rest of this paper and see what happens and where it happens.

I tried looking quickly in the Rico M's secret paper thread but never found out just when this all happened? When did this get taught, when did Chris Jordan do a teaching?

im still learning

Nothing DOES happen by coincidence! Don't cha know?

That's how I found this:

WordWolf, do you think there might be some truth to what you said? I do wonder.

But as for any guilt I might have, there is none of course. I searched simply for The Way Ministry under Yahoo and found LCM4CHRIST and thought Loy? It was easy to find so it wasn't like they wouldn't have at some point. Just that possibly LCM4CHRIST.net didn't have many hits and probubly is sometimes listed on the search engines and sometimes dissapears. But now I agree, with the site down something must have happened. It may just be that the site got too many hits and the server could not take it?

I'm sure this website will do the same things to youz all that it did to me. (And see? I'm still posting)

LCM: The Way Ministry

thanks for the vote of confidence catcup. really. thanks.

either way, all i was stating was what was announced

they gave $$ to the tsunamii relief fund this yeaar

I always thought it was taught that Jesus had spirit from birth. I could look it up but that seems to hard at midnight

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Want to know why deprogrammers/exit counselors/interventionists won't go for it? (IMNSHO) Its because of the following:

Garth, the post which contained the above quote was, well - bee-u-tiful

I could not agree more.

Just a small addition to this convo. I do agree that this stuff happens alot.

I was told by a grad of their new class that they don't say anymore that any Way member can marry any other Way member. That you really have to get to know that person first. Take your time sort of thing.

Does it ever strike anyone here as weird that they would deride psychology as being a false and unneeded profession that just "plays with devil spirits" (or however they say it.)

AND then they use those ideas to their own advantage during training. Almost like the idea that the herd cannot know what the rancher knows. Why? Cause they aren't the rancher. Duh!?

Didn't the P*narellos go to CES?

Brings up again the points about Way Corps training supposedly being modeled after the army.

Yell and bitch and moan..like what they did to HCW's 104 group (Grr) .. you are the worst..but we will show them? Sounds like army based motivational tech's.

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Originally posted by outandabout:

Ask A LOT of questions:

"Can I go to the grocery store alone now?"

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That was SO true! Does anyone else remember this being used as an example of going "two by two" for safety and to share the word?

And then they would tell us we don't live seperately becuase we have to be in the world not retreat from it. Yet, we cannot hang out with the world. That would be devilish

Reading Lindyhopper's thread on "Corps Principle #?" got me wondering: Is there anyone here who was in the corps when Martindale took over running it? Did he institute changes right away or move gradually as he received greater control before his presidency? (or do I have my info wrong?)

mine is a little bit different.

I am still in as some of you know, and found GSC and NO WAY OUT some years back. I frequented them often as a lurker and used what I found to fill out my knowledge and pester the leaders. Why pester while still in? The more armed you are the better you will be in a fight. If this is truly a spiritual life then knowing "your enemy" (NOT how I think of GSC..but how they might) is to your advantage. Besides, how will I ever know what I believe if I don't doubt it some? Test it? Put myself on that ledge and see who flys or comes back?

my hope is that this comes off well and is understood.

Who, Dr. Rawlins? (spelling?)

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Originally posted by Belle:

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Remember that stupid "Believer's Family Class"? Remember Martinpuke teaching that it is OK for single people to get laid once they get "of age" and aren't married?

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WN, our bc once said that you don't buy the car without test driving it first! Like it was mandatory to have sex before you got married to make sure you were compatible.

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Apparently their new class says not to have sex before marriage at all and not to date like other people. Just go out on dates. (in groups)

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Originally posted by Oakspear:

Start teaching the "new" doctrine as if it had always been that way

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hrm did not "1984" teach us that too?

Sorry to intrude all, but I just thought that something OakSpear said a few days back deserves repeating:

"As usual, no discussion from the guy who posted the link; kind of reminds me of the recorded political phone calls I find on my answering machine every day."